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  1. 3 hours ago, SorceressKnight said:

    If it was even just THEM, I might- MIGHT- be inclined to believe you.

    When people are ALSO demanding Billie Kay, Peyton Royce, or Athena get pushed over Alexa (or, to be more specific: Jessie McKay (NOT! Billie Kay!), KC Cassidy (NOT! Peyton Royce!), and Athena (uh...okay, she's still Athena!), while also spending even this topic demanding Santana Garrett get signed, and presumably given that push? It's far, far closer to my argument (especially since Alexa's at least been about the same in-ring quality as the two Aussies in the ring and Garrett's jobber matches).  There absolutely IS a "SHIMMER vs. The homegrowns" in play with Alexa.

    Except none of those people you listed are actually getting pushed over Alexa right now, so the idea that she's a victim of a Shimmer invasion doesn't hold any water. Maybe some fans feel that way, but it's obviously not affecting where Alexa is on the card. She's featured on tv because she's paid some dues within the WWE system, but she's not at the top because some of her peers are clearly better fits for those spots.

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  2. As far as comparing Alexa to Trish goes, I'll just c/p this post I made a few months ago.

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    1. I'm pretty confident nobody is gonna be the next Trish Stratus in this day and age. PG era pretty severely hinders any woman from getting over just by overt sexualization (this is not a bad thing mind you) and audiences today want some wrestling ability right out of the gate. Eva Marie would've been a star in the early 2000s a la Torrie Wilson and Stacy Kiebler. Likewise, Wilson and Kiebler would be dead in the water today. It took Trish a good 3-4 years to get solid in the ring, but she could rely on T&A matches and angles (and I ain't talking about Andrew Martin and Matt Bloom) to stay over in the mean time, then it looked even better when she became a good wrestler when that was the prevailing style she was brought up in. That just isn't a path that's available to women wrestlers today in WWE.

    2. I know we all love NXT, but what is with these crazy reaches for "pro comps" with the current talent? First I see someone say Jason Jordan is the next Rock, and now Alexa is the next Trish? I think Tyler Breeze was 92 Shawn at one point too, and well, I digress... Trish Stratus is perhaps the most inspirational woman in WWE history. Her work ethic in a situation where it wasn't expected and the fact that she ended up having a decent in-ring legacy despite having little if any talent or inspired writing to work with until her last couple of years is no small feat. Alexa may well equal or surpass Trish in terms of ring work when it's all said and done (and honestly given Alexa's environment, it would be damning if she didn't), but I will say with great confidence, she will never be an iconic figure on the level of Trish. There was a lot more to Trish than being short and blonde.

    As far as "tag team managers that are primarily sex appeal at first but have some discernible athleticism that indicates potential talent despite their current green-ness" go, let's see if she can become the next Melina before we even think about drawing comparisons to Trish.

     

  3. 17 minutes ago, SorceressKnight said:

    As far as Alexa- she seems like the biggest victim of the "Women's Revolution" there is.  On paper, she SHOULD be ready- and honestly should be one of the top Divas in NXT right now. However, as the Four Horsewomen rose to the top of the heap, the women's division became that much better- and at the same time, there was also a sea change that has seemingly turned Alexa into the enemy on there. Whether it's as outright as some places saying "Alexa should be depushed because women's wrestling will never give Divas a chance as long as they push a woman as beautiful as she is!" and turning "Give Divas A Chance" to "THE BARBIE DOLLS MUST DIE!", or even people who basically forget about her being a good heel and seeing her as a top star in favor of pushing the SHIMMER alumni instead because "muh...muh SHIMMER!", it seems like Alexa is in the weirdest place- she's good enough to be a top heel, but she can't get the spot she deserves (whether it's a top NXT heel or even a main roster woman) because she's somehow been treated like the sort of woman that people should inherently be against if they want the Women's Revolution to work.

    Yes I'm sure Becky, Bayley, Emma, and Asuka were pushed over Alexa solely due to their time in Shimmer. It wouldn't be that they're all significantly better in the ring and are more over despite being exposed to the NXT audience for roughly the same amount of time (or way less in Asuka's case).

  4. 3 hours ago, SorceressKnight said:

    Someone like, say, an Austin Aries may have the online buzz and a big fanbase...but at the same time, it also has to be asked: If Austin Aries had what it took to become the mainstream superstar who'd lead WWE to a new boom period in him, then why couldn't he take ROH or TNA to those heights when he was a main eventer in those promotions?

    Come on, this is one of the most blatantly unfair arguments ever. Anyone working in WWE is seen by millions more people much more frequently than someone working anywhere else. Do you really think John Cena would've become an international superstar if he stayed in UPW?

    And not for nothing, ROH did expand its reach pretty considerably, even working up to low-level tv deal which would've seemed impossible in 2002 thanks to the work of guys like Punk, Joe, Bryan, Owens, Zayn, etc.

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  5. I mean I disagree with Charlotte holding the WWE women's belt past Mania, but she was a good champion in NXT. While Sasha and Bayley went on to be a lot better, Charlotte was ready before them and was perfectly fine as the division ace placeholder until they caught up.

    And I know it's not fair because it's so short, but that's gotta be one of the better title lineages in wrestling history.

  6. Texano is the Alberto Del Rio of Lucha Underground. He's got talent, but he's just not very interesting. The fact that he's been booked like a chump for most of his stint hasn't helped either.

    Anyway good show this week. Dario owned the fuck out of that opening scene, The Chris Kyle gimmick appears to have filled a lot of the holes in Killshot's game, Texano and Daga had a decent match despite the crowd not having much reason to care about either of them, and the main event was off the chain. Dragon Azteca looked really impressive, and Cage was beasting the whole time. Taya is quietly establishing herself as the best female wrestler in LU. She didn't really feel out of place at all in a match where the gender dynamic could've been very awkward. Rey seems to have found the fountain of... Not quite youth, but  back to about 2009.

    I feel like next week won't be the last Mil/Matanza match. It came up so fast, it just screams non-finish to me. Can't believe the DoD are coming back, especially with two fun teams already out. Why can't we get the team of Argenis, Ricky Mandel, and El Mariachi Loco led by Famous B instead?

  7. "Have him back by Monday,  he's gotta put Heath Slater over!" followed by the Hot Tag commercial was great.

    Oh and "During ECW's heyday... 2009."

    This show has gotten a million times better since the first episode.

  8. I think Floyd/Show is definitely the best celebrity match. Floyd is such a natural showman and athlete that the match didn't even feel like that much of a carry.

    Always gotta throw some love to Kevin Greene when this topic comes up too. There's an alternate universe where he's a high-level babyface for some company in the 90s. In this universe, the tag with Mongo against Flair and Arn was still somehow decent.

    The worst ones that come to mind are the aforementioned Jenna Morasca debacle and Jay Leno, who I'm not sure why anyone thought he should step inside a wrestling ring to begin with. Also remember when TNA brought in Pacman Jones who somehow held the tag titles without ever wrestling?

  9. So far I'm loving the dynamics of all the announced trios teams. The Rey/Puma/DA team is like the parallel universe ultimate babyface version of Evolution.

    The Killshot video package was good too. LU is really good about giving everyone some kind of story to get invested in.

    The Fenix/Matanza match was the best showing yet for Matanza. The German into the turnbuckles and the way he caught Fenix on the handspring and dive to the outside were good ways to showcase his power. Fenix knows how to take a beating. Also liked the clubbing blows Matanza was using post-match, really looked like an unhinged monster trying to splatter a guy's face. Catrina giving a look to Fenix when she made the save was a nice touch and transition to Mil/Matanza. Really looking forward to that irresistible force/immovable object showdown.

  10. I'm a bit surprised people are critical of Bayley's performance. Technically, she looked as good as she did in the Sasha matches, and character wise, I'm not sure she ever looked better. She kept up with Asuka in a credible way that made both wrestlers look like they were on top of their game, giving the finish maximum impact. Bayley definitely had the balance of being on the defensive a lot, but still competent enough to do damage during her openings. Unlike the Asuka/Emma matches, I never felt like Asuka was "selling because she had to" or slowing down to accommodate her opponent which makes everyone look worse. Asuka is the undisputed best, but Bayley has shown she's really versatile over the last few months and this was far from a carry job.

  11. 17 minutes ago, jstout said:

    Somebody who follows the stuffing better than me knows this:

    What's the timeline of the heel authority figure in the WWE? Steph-Hunter have been at it for years now (except for that silly "authority must disband" that lasted all of two weeks), then there was Johnny Ace, etc. How long has it been since there wasn't a heel authority figure in some form, and how long did the break last?

     

    Probably the weekly "guest host" days. Most of them acted as faces or didn't do anything.

  12. You're definitely right about Roman's presentation not matching up with what he can actually do. He's got a power gimmick but can't do any power moves. His one-arm lift powerbomb thing he does every once in a while is embarrassing for a guy who uses Superman imagery. Christ, even when he was in the Shield, Rollins and Ambrose did all the heavy lifting for the powerbomb. They should've transitioned him to being a striker a long time ago, which is something he'd probably be good at. His best moves are the Superman punch and his apron dropkick, but highlighting things Roman is good at and disguising things he isn't good at are two things WWE has shown no interest in doing.

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  13. I'm not joking, Rock/Rowan may have been the legit best match of the night. When The Rock said "match" and took the sweatpants off to reveal his wrestling gear, there was a real electricity if you will in the building that was clearly not present for any other match. It also lasted the appropriate amount of time to get all the important spots in without dragging and the right person went over.

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  14. Definitely agree about this card being hard to predict, but that's what a good wrestling promotion does. The only match I feel fairly comfortable with is Aries over Corbin since I'm guessing Aries is gonna be their next big face.

    God, this show is less than 24 hours away. I don't think even the Dallas traffic will drag me down tomorrow.

  15. The opening match was uncharacteristically disjointed and slopped together for LU. The Crew were faces out of nowhere, and the Taya/Mundo tension was really rushed. This felt like something out of the first 3 episodes.

    The trios match was whatever. The double-double stomp moonsault was pretty sweet by Havoc.

    The Mariposa video package where she killed 7 dudes in swift fashion followed by her having to slowly and incompetently lunge at Sexy Star to start their match was about to set me off, but she won fast enough and with the vertebreaker, so I got over it. I wasn't digging Moth as a solo act, but he seems to have really good chemistry with Melissa.

    Pentagon... Oof. That was pretty rough. Not only getting no sold and beat with minimal offense, but literally begging for mercy for most of it. I agree with Raziel that there's some serious Batman/Bane vibes here, but Batman definitely looked a lot a better in his loss to Bane. Luckily I think Pentagon is pretty much bullet proof heat-wise. I thought for sure Mil was gonna attack Pentagon during his entrance like last week to give him a little protection.

  16. 7 minutes ago, El Dragon said:

    So apparently on the Raw after Mania, the Divas title is being re-renamed the Womens Title again, with a new belt.

    Wow, that's pretty cool. I've been saying that's needed to change forever, but I thought they were locked in with Total Divas being a thing. Hopefully they'll drop the term diva altogether.

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  17. Full WWN card is finally up on their website. Looks like a good show, and I don't whiff on the LU talent because Ivelisse will be there!

    The Six Man Tag Team Tradition Continues - Days Of Future Past
    Kota Ibushi, Johnny Gargano & TJ Perkins
    vs.
    Will Ospreay, Tommy End & Marty Scurll

    EVOLVE Championship Match (If Thatcher Is Still Champion)
    Timothy Thatcher defends vs. Sami Callihan

    Best In The World Challenge Series - The Rival
    Zack Sabre Jr. vs. Chris Hero

    SHINE Championship Match
    Taylor Made w/ So Cal Val & Andrea defends vs. Ivelisse

    FIP World Heavyweight Title Fatal Four Way
    Caleb Konley w/ So Cal Val & Andrea defends vs. FIP Florida Heritage Champion Maxwell Chicago vs. Gary Jay vs. Jason Cade

    Anything Goes
    Ethan Page vs. Anthony Nese w/ So Cal Val & Andrea

    The Third Chapter
    Matt Riddle vs. Tracy Williams

    Respect Is Earned
    Drew Gulak vs. Fred Yehi

  18. Prediction time:

    Total Divas vs. Bad and Blonde: B&B wins after Eva accidentally or purposely hits one of her teammates. Brie takes the fall since she's on her way out.

    Usos vs. Dudleys: Usos in the most heatless match of the night.

    Kalisto vs. Ryback: This is a toss-up, but I'll go with Kalisto since he's the babyface at Mania.

    IC ladder match: Owens retains

    Battle Royal: I've had a gut feeling Kane was winning this match for about 6 months, so I'm sticking with it.

    Styles vs. Jericho: AJ

    ND vs. LON: Is there any doubt Barrett eats the pin?

    Divas Title: I thought this was MITB for Sasha, but now I'm kind of leaning towards Becky. Either way, it'll be a great spot for one of those two, probably my most anticipated moment on the show. I'm a sucker for "boyhood dream" moments.

    Ambrose vs. Lesnar: Brock's the most protected guy on the roster, I don't see him losing to Dean here. If they're smart they'll give Dean a Stone Cold finish where he passes out in the kimura. Should be the best match on the show. Since the Wyatts are conspicuous by their absence, they show up after to start the feud with Brock.

    Roman vs. HHH: Roman wins. So it is written, so it shall come to pass.

    Taker vs. Shane: Somehow there's enough smoke and mirrors in this match to make Shane freaking McMahon beating Taker at WM seem acceptable. I've looked on wiki, and yes, all the Mean Street Posse members are still alive so they damn well better make an appearance. Taker beats up Vince afterwards and rides off into the sunset.

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