Go2Sleep
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The Hawaii show is Bash at the Beach, and it looks like they wanna try to top Takeover Dallas for show of the year. If anyone from WWE is reading this and is looking for more Japanese star crossover one-off matches, might I suggest Asuka vs. Sasha.
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5 hours ago, madsplash said:
Cena also had the Money In The Bank match with Punk, Extreme Rules against Lesnar, and the series with Owens. I really can't think of any Austin matches I'd put above those or the aforementioned Umaga and Bryan ones.
The Rock matches at Mania (17 and 19)? The 3 stages of hell with HHH?
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I'd say Austin was better personally, but when you're comparing two elite guys like that, it's pretty much all gonna come down to personal taste.
Still, does Cena really have a match better than Austin vs. Bret at WM 13? And I'd put Austin in 2001 against any year for Cena (07 probably being his best).
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The one good thing Cameron did in her entire tenure is what got her canned.
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Those 04 SD-only ppvs were dire. That GAB show you mentioned and Armageddon are both among the worst shows of the decade for WWE. JBL's reign looks better in retrospect, but it took forever to click. You just had him and Taker in a stalemate at the top. The midcard had Cena, Eddie, and Angle, but they were all being kept apart until Mania season which led them feuding with guys like Show, Dupree, and Luther Reigns. Just terrible tv all around.
I didn't mind Batista going to SD because he would've been overshadowed by Cena on Raw. The split let them appear to be mostly equal for a while.
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The funny thing is Riley didn't even have the look the last couple of years. Unless the new look is "poor man's HHH with extra bacne."
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I remember 2004 being pretty good for Raw. HHH was finally healthy and took as much of a backseat as he ever did in the 2000s. Orton took a big step forward. Evolution was actually clicking as a stable with some solid 6-mans. You had an interesting mix of solid to good vets like Benoit, Jericho, Regal, and Shawn mixed with younger guys like Edge, Christian, and Shelton. Kane was at the apex of his career and was constantly in hilarious angles that were played completely straight. Trish also started her fun heel run during this stretch.
It started to go to shit when they botched Orton's face turn, but Mania to Summer Slam was pretty good I think. Probably the only time during the hard split where Raw was fun and SD was garbage.
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It sounds like it's supposed to be a tag team casket match with Mil and Matanza doing most of the work and then there's a convenient way to progress Catrina's story by shoving her in an extra casket that wouldn't normally be there.
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47 minutes ago, Greggulator said:
Also: Is Miz a HOF guy? He's a friggin' miracle worker.
WWE HOF? Easily if he stays on good terms with the company. He'll be one of those Godfather-esque mid-week reveals before Mania 51, and you'll be like "Oh shit, The Miz. I remember when he was the host of Smackdown during the first brand split."
Also Bo Dallas isn't going anywhere unless he wants to with those family connections.
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I won't go to Gregg lengths to praise the Owens/Ziggler, but I do highly recommend it if you're a fan of Kevin Owens. You can tell he was like "Welp, I'm on Main Event, guess I'll do whatever I want."
Also shoots a rather large hole in the "wrestlers these days don't know how to work a hold" talking point.
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1 minute ago, Vader does my taxes! said:
Phone? Just to be safe, Swagger needs to throw himself in the ocean. Rent some scuba equipment, jump off the pier, live underwater among the fishies for a few weeks. Vince will never find him there.
Don't know if that's gonna work so well...
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2 hours ago, Burgundy LaRue said:
And Titus O'Neill is a pick 'em bet.
Doesn't Titus still have to accompany someone to Disney World or something? I think he's safe.
Darren Young would've been an easy release if it wasn't such a bad look for the company. Who would've picked him and Slater as the last Nexus guys standing (presumably they'll outlast Ryback)?
Gotta imagine the Ascension are gone based on the quality of the releases thus far, and one of them getting a wellness violation.
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It also doesn't help that the group the Wyatts were going to feud with broke up in their absence.
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There's a probably more than a few technical nitpicks you could make about the No Mas match, but it was a very effective spectacle. If you ever wondered what "grabbing the brass ring" is, it's what Sexy Star did in that match. She went from a lukewarm 40/60 crowd split to having everyone going crazy for her win. Say what you will about the rest of her work, but that was the performance of a lifetime.
Dario ruled all night. In an age where nobody wants on-screen authority figures in wrestling, he makes it work.
Hopefully this isn't the end Moth and Mariposa, I've really liked their work together. Unfortunately this show does look like the end of Cuerno. We lose him and get Chavo back, woof.
Which disciple is getting the singles push? Is that Mandel or Mariachi Loco?
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6 hours ago, JCM said:
Has Sasha's picture been put on a milk carton yet? I really can't wrap my head around taking the most over person in the division off tv just because you want to give her the belt 4 months from now. Roman didn't disappear after Mania last year. They could run Sasha & Becky vs Paige & Emma.
She was on the E/C show this week at least.
I'm starting to wonder if she's hurt, because there really isn't a reason to not have her at least working some throwaway matches on Smackdown and Superstars to keep her sharp and fresh in people's minds. And that's just if you're completely unimaginative, a non-title feud with Paige or Emma would be beneficial not just for them, but for the entire division since you could show it's possible to have an important women's feud without the title. What's the plan for her now, come back "out of nowhere" and "make a statement" exactly like she did at the Royal Rumble?
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I think a pay gap would be less of an issue if WWE covered things like travel and health insurance. Sure from a corporate standpoint, John Cena is worth a lot more than Heath Slater, but Heath Slater still has to get the same shows and put his body at similar risk.
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"You look like Dolph Ziggler... Except for the stack of money."
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5 minutes ago, JohnnyJ said:
Legit question: who was more over at their hottest: ryback or reigns?
Ryback, because Roman at his hottest was a heel in a heel stable.
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34 minutes ago, Hail Sabin said:
Vince is probably the target audience.
That's the vibe I got from the first episode. I mean we all know the guy has a bad, bad sense of humor, but he was the only one that seemed to care about the show. Everything else from the animation, to the writing, to the non-wrestler voices was just so bush league and amateurish that it's hard to imagine why a company that's so image-conscious would want to be associated with it.
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This has to be the most inspired writing WWE's had since before WM 30. Plus with all the roster turnover, everything just feels so fresh right now. I actually watched every segment on Raw this week for the first time in god knows how long.
The Shane/Steph dynamic would be perfectly fine if there wasn't this impending cloud of "Shane vs. HHH: featured angle" hanging over it. As far as authority figures go, they're pretty tolerable. Shane kinda favors the faces and Steph kinda favors the heels so there's no imbalance. Plus they're not really fighting with each other yet, so there's no one-upsmanship where every decision becomes about their feud instead. Really wouldn't mind if they ran the show like that for a while.
The IC 4-way feud is kind of hacked together, but it's 3 elite workers and one decent worker who knows his role, so I'm into it.
Even the Goldust/Truth/Breeze/Fandango segment wasn't bad. Kind of reminded me of an attitude era "everybody has an angle" angle. Hopefully they can rehab Tyler.
The tag title segment was a lot of fun. The concussion has added some legit heat to this feud and gives the fans a real reason to dislike the Vaudevillains. New Day's still going strong, Cass delivered in Enzo's absence (though anyone who follows NXT knows he's a pretty good promo himself), and Bubba Dudley was great at being a total jackass.
Ambrose was being such an asshole to Steph, I didn't mind when she kicked him in the balls at the end of their segment. I thought Jericho was done for a while, but I guess there's not much else for Dean to do at the moment.
Glad the Emma/Becky feud was finally allowed back on tv. They should probably find a way to get Sasha back on tv too if they plan to push her at some point. Is she still feuding with Summer? Can't believe she's not at least on Smackdown or Superstars every week.
The AJ/Roman stuff is really good. I love how they're not forcing the face/heel roles too much and just letting things develop organically. Night and day compared to Roman/HHH, and not surprisingly, the product is all the better for it. Kinda feeling like the Balor club unites and costs AJ at Extreme Rules, which won't leave too much time to kill before Rollins comes back to chase Roman.
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Enzo's injury reminded me of a hit Trent Green took when he played for the Chiefs. It was against the Bengals, I'm sure you can find it on youtube. Good to see he's up and out of the hospital.
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Camp WWE was definitely as bad as it looked. The show doesn't work at all unless every wrestler does their own voice. The Cena, HHH, Truth, and Austin were dreadful.
Could tell Vince was having the time of his life, though.
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Just re-watched One Night Stand 2006, and that show is a forgotten classic. I guess your mileage could vary slightly depending on you feel about some the vestiges of ECW culture, but the crowd was nuclear all night and pretty much every match delivered. I think it belongs among the top shows of the decade for WWE.
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It was a competitive squash that involved Dana doing a little more than just standing there and taking moves (which is a skill unto itself anyway). Yeah it probably would've been worse if it was as long as the Eva match, but it still shows Asuka can handle working with green wrestlers. Dana didn't exactly look like the next big thing before this match.
I don't think "having a good match with Eva Marie" should be a standard we evaluate anyone by because as of now, that would mean there are zero good women wrestlers in WWE.
MAY 2016 WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD
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I don't know if Cena has a proper comp from the attitude era, but I think the closest fit is actually Taker. Stand-alone guy that succeeded through sheer force of will and a loyalty and dedication to the business that's nearly unmatched. Also supremely talented and charismatic, but his combination of work ethic and attitude are what really set him apart.