Go2Sleep
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WWE is crazy if they don't give Asuka the full Goldberg push with that streak.
150-0 Asuka vs. Sasha Banks could main event a Raw single-brand ppv.
Edit: Or do a Bobby Lashley angle where she wins the Raw and SD women's titles to go with her NXT one.
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It's easier to say that, but it's also shitty and conveniently allows WWE to gloss over the fact that it took them over a decade to even begin trying to fix the perception of women's wrestling brought about by years of sexist booking stemming from the attitude era. If you dropped the 4HW off back in 2007, they wouldn't be popping any crowds either only being allowed 5-minute matches and no one in creative giving a damn about their characters.
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I don't know if there's any non-cheating move where there's a hard line, but I do think back body drops work better when a face does them.
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I don't remember that story, but it wouldn't surprise me if that were the case. It was pretty easily the best match on the show, with only Punk/Hardy giving it a challenge, plus it just had that "wow" factor you don't get too often.
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Been watching the NoC shows, and discovered Melina vs. Michelle McCool in 2009.
This match was so far ahead of its time. If this happened in 2014 NXT, people would've gone nuts for it. It's a 5-minute sprint that's just a constant stream of neat surprises, starting with Melina's entrance. It's two athletic women saying "fuck it, let's do something cool." You could make some technical complaints about the selling, but overall, the cool factor earns it a pass from me. You just didn't see women having matches like this at the time, and supports my criticism of the WWE narrative that women's wrestling was dead between Trish/Lita and the 4HW. Between Melina, Michelle, Beth, and Mickie, the talent was there, it was the institutional support that wasn't.
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1 hour ago, RIPPA said:
The story behind Lesnar vs. Orton was to create a scenario where nobody knew where reality ended, and preferably where people thought Lesnar was breaking the code or script.
Isn't this literally Vince Russo's WCW philosophy? It even has the "work the boys in the back" element with Hayes not giving Jericho a straight answer about the finish. I don't see how anyone can defend this.
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Heath sets up DDT -> Rhyno gores Heath -> Force from the gore driving Heath to the mat makes the DDT extra powerful
Wrestling physics, baybay.
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5 hours ago, DTTW said:
Weren't both TNA and WWE pulled into congress post 2000 over steroids? How about Brock last month?
Mickie James, Seth Rollins, and Isis brought sex related problems to the WWEs doorstep. And Hogan of course.
Hogan I'll give you because of what came out of the tapes, but none of those other things were even a scratch on pro wrestling as a whole. No one's hammering WWE about rampant steroid use even after Brock very publicly failed a legitimate test.
Most of it is probably that the general public's opinion of pro wrestling is so low, it takes a lot to taint it further.
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No point in making a thread for tonight's mostly recap show, but TM61/AoP was the best match either team has had in NXT thus far.
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I totally called Gulak bringing out the best in ZSJ. Great match between those two with Zack working to his strengths. There weren't any superfluous transitions, everything had a purpose, and he was working from underneath a lot. They did a good job establishing that Zack would win the mat exchanges early, so Gulak used some legal, but cheap-feeling strikes to get the edge. I loved how Drew would hit Zack a couple times then go right to some show-off submission and be all like "See, I'm the better submission wrestler!" Zack played the sympathetic face with some fighting spirit, but also showed he could put anyone away at any time with his technical skill. If he keeps working like that, he'll have a great WWE run.
Gargano/TJP ending up being a lot of fun too. I knew they'd have a good moves-y indy style match one way or the other, but they did just enough with knee injury to give the match a little extra urgency. I'm not sure if they planned this match around the Takeover tag or vice versa, but props to the agents for making it work in whichever order.
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1 hour ago, Peck said:
The referee deadpan telling Braun "His shoulder's up" while counting a post-match fake pin may have been one of the funniest unintentional lines ever uttered on Raw.
That can go in the unintentional Raw comedy hall of fame with "Does he have a pulse" and "Camera 6, you're the worst case scenario."
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22 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
Terry Funk asked somewhere (the Forever Hardcore doc likely) about whether the guys that didn't bump -- the Hogans, the Ravens -- were the smarter guys in the business, instead of guys like himself who broke their asses through the years. He laughed and agreed with the former.
Are Raven and Hogan really in that much better shape than Funk or Foley these days?
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1 hour ago, DTTW said:
Steroids and sex scandals weren't out of the blue.
What steroid and sex scandals have gotten mainstream press in the 2000s? Except for the media lazily citing steroids as a cause of the Benoit murders instead of CTE (which should be a black eye, but somehow hasn't been).
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7 hours ago, Tromatagon said:
So newzy people have been buzzing that something horrible is going to come to light this week that will be a "major black eye on the sport"
This should be fun.
Meant to comment on this too, but I couldn't edit the quote into my last post.
Have any of these "buzzes" ever amounted to anything? The only black eye on pro wrestling this century came pretty much out of the blue (Benoit).
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It looked like Seth was trying out more knee strike based offense in the match with Sami on Raw. I know the Cena thing happened, but overall, I think that's a better direction for his character in the ring. He should be hitting stuff that looks sneaky and effective. There's no reason for a weasel like Rollins to be doing a powerbomb of any kind. It's very likely that all of the injuries surrounding Seth's powerbomb were freak accidents, but if the move is that difficult to pull off, it's time to retire it.
I still can't get over that one move of his they explicitly banned was the one that never injured anyone (and also his best looking one).
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Remember when Miz starting cutting good serious promos in 2010 and everyone wanted to see him get pushed, then we got WM 27?
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43 minutes ago, HumanChessgame said:
It also brings up the question of who gets the contendership spot after that. Sami and Neville are around but don't have the best records. If Rollins doesn't win he could get into a program with one of them to vie for a shot but that would mean he'd have to be a heel and they really need to turn him face somehow. Sheamus and Cesaro have their series with the winner getting a shot and who knows if the eventual winner (hopefully Cesaro) will have more than one title match.
I think you could do Owens/Rollins at CoC, and use it as a dry-run for face Rollins. Just build the match around Owens viciously attacking the knee and Seth working hard to get any offense. Then Rollins loses favor with Steph, some midcard heel attacks him and he works his way back up as a face.
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17 hours ago, J.T. said:
Yeah, let's have an NCAA Final Four with twenty mother fuckers on the basketball court at the same time playing for the National Championship.
This would actually get me to watch college basketball.
I really hope they just say "fuck it" and strap the rocket to Owens. He's got the promos, the ring work, and the respect of the crowd. You could keep the Jeri-KO act for a bit longer as a heel, or you could turn him face pretty easily with a number of different scenarios. I think it's a big mistake to go with anyone else, even though I like the lineup. Roman's showing signs of fixing things in the Rusev program, Seth needs a similar break from the main event, and Cass is nowhere near ready for any kind of singles push (but it's good for him to get a rub just being in this match).
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3 minutes ago, zev said:
Well, if they want some good main event matches and likeable babyface, there's this Sami Zayn guy who's not doing anything right now...
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3 minutes ago, piranesi said:
So is having to hotshot the belt back of Sasha and then getting to go out in two nights and do another title abeying promo/tournament going to be enough for them to step back and re-evaluate the style that has been grinding people to dust the last three or four years?
Unless it somehow affects their sponsorships, I think we can safely say the answer is no.
Similarly they won't re-think the concept of the brand split when anyone could see that an untimely pile-up of injuries would cripple either brand.
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Where do I apply to become a paid shill? Is it a liveable wage? Because I would totally go spam some low-content boards with pro-WWE posts every day if the money was right. Roman Reigns avatar and everything.
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6 minutes ago, peterien said:
What did the fans actually do?
Chanted "This belt sucks" to popular chanting rhythms and booed loudly whenever the shitty belt was shown on screen.
It was pretty hilarious when they were doing floor sequence, and at first the cameraman was clearly trying to get all his shots with the belt in the frame. After the boos got louder, the same cameraman had to follow the action very closely and carefully avoid the belt being in any shot.
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16 minutes ago, Dirty J. said:
I agree with the sentiment that the current WWE -kick out of every big move- style fucking sucks and makes moves seem irrelevant and matches predictable. They should ditch the term finisher and call it a signature move. Oh well, I fondly remember 15 years ago complaining about the kick-punchy style of the WWE.
Which in turn reminds me of the time during Triple H's reign of terror how they wanted to make smaller moves seem more lethal (or at least reading about it in the dirt sheets). Triple H beat Jeff Hardy with a sleeper hold the following week if I recall correctly. Weird times.
There was a happy medium somewhere. I think when guys got away from countering finishers before they hit and went to just kicking out afterwards is when things started to go downhill. I don't think there's a particular point in time where it went from no one doing it to everyone doing it, but you can see that trend spikes after the Michaels/Taker Mania matches.
That's why I'll maintain that Finn/Seth had the right idea over Cena/AJ. You can take issue with the lack of selling or certain spots in the UHC match, but structurally, it's way ahead of Cena/AJ which still had the same problems, but had no drama on the first and second waves of finisher attempts as well.
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Also, it sucks that Sasha is hurt and won't be at the Raw I'm going to in a couple weeks. As much as I like her, I've been increasingly worried about the bumps she takes given her body frame.
AUGUST 2016 WRESTLING DISCUSSION
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We're still a few years away from them being vintage enough. In 2024, we'll get The Dicks, The Bashams, and The Gymini.