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Someone has edited Christian's wikipedia page.
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A full time AEW workload is like one match every 2-3 weeks, Copeland's gonna be fine.
I thought the show was the standard AEW ppv, so mostly good if you like what they do.
Barnett/Claudio stood out on the pre-show because they did a lot more of a shoot style match. Really unique stuff that stood out in a good way without overshadowing anything else.
The Righteous still come out to dead silence after being pushed for a month, so it definitely wasn't the worst team for comedy MJF to go over WWE-style. It wasn't so much a burial as it was two sacrificial lambs to build up MJF's face cred. It served its purpose and hopefully we can go without the Righteous on every show for a while now.
Julia/Stat was an example of a quick build that helped everyone. Julia finally stands out as contributing member to HOB and gets a much-deserved PPV showcase for her improved skills. Stat gets a more significant win than just random open challengers. Good work all around.
Not excited about the Bucks winning the 4-way, they're kind of testing their boundaries on over-exposure again.
Swerve/Hangman was really good with both guys adapting for the crowd. They both got to show their vicious side. The hand work made for some logical cutoffs and Swerve's arm-injury move looks like a real equalizer. Swerve will still be a heel everywhere else, but it was nice for him to get a big moment.
Danielson/ZSJ lived up to the hype.
Everything not listed to this point was just kind of there.
I feel like Aussie Open doesn't have that AEW-level top gear. They didn't bring anything new to their biggest match except a move where Mark Davis probably broke his arm. Kinda disappointing showing from them here to be honest.
I liked the choice of Darby/Christian as the main. Despite the initial botch, those stair bumps were exactly the type of insane shit you'd expect from main event Darby. Frankly, it didn't look like Christian was entirely comfortable with the idea and I don't blame him. Really hot match down the stretch and the Nick Wayne turn makes sense and got great heat. Copeland debut was a cool moment and I'm glad Tony sprung for the Alter Bridge theme. It did seem a bit rushed, like it would've probably been better to let the Wayne turn sink in for at least a couple weeks before bringing Copeland in to even the odds, but I understand the need to sell PPVs by only putting the biggest moments on them. Like most, I wasn't thrilled with Copeland's WWE work the last few years, but he still seems like he has some gas in the tank, so I'm ready to give him a chance in a fresh setting.
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Dynamite was too promo heavy for my liking, even if there wasn't anything wrong with any individual segment. I think the biggest problem was too many "this is going to the next level" type segments, and it lessened all of them. At least the MJF/Cole segments sprinkled in some comedy. You had Takeshita braining Ibushi with like a 20 lb kettle bell, Righteous trying justify their ppv spot, Wheeler getting all serious about toughness and respect to Starks, Darby weathering Christian's shots at dead family members, and Swerve and Hangman going back and forth with a not so subtle metaphor for CM Punk and culminating with a pen-stabbing. I know they have to generate video package material for the almost the whole ppv this week, but I got burned out on the super intense promos the way others get burned out on super intense matches.
Willow/Julia was really good, though. Julia has improved tremendously and is working more character into her matches now as well as getting a lot smoother at the technical stuff. Really looking forward to Julia vs. Stat. Other matches were total filler including two versions of "singles matches of feuding teams," very WWE-ish.
Despite the abundance of promos, I am a sucker for a good mystery angle, and I thought the choice of Jay White being attacked was pretty inspired to give it a chaotic feel. I wouldn't mind Undisputed Kingdom vs. MJF and babyface BCG if they're gonna break up Cole and MJF. Given the way the last Blood and Guts fell apart, I wouldn't mind a quick mulligan.
Edit: Just occurred this could be a way to bring Adam Copeland into AEW too. Imagine a write-off for Cole where he has Roddy cornered and he stops him with "AAAADAM.... But not you"
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I'm baffled by the decision to have Righteous in a ppv match. You can hear a pin drop when those two come out. Meanwhile, Taven and Bennett are the best they've ever been. "Piledrivers for neck health awareness!" Plus you know, they actually have a story with Cole and MJF.
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Toni doesn't need the belt for her gimmick to work. Saraya is a fine heel champ who wrestles sparingly, in contrast to Stat who is doing the babyface workhorse thing with the other belt. Plus, it won't hurt to have either Mercedes or Hayter go over Saraya quickly.
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Ali is a no brainer pick up for AEW. It's honestly a fair trade for Jade, where both are better fits in the other company.
The ship has probably sailed on Aliyah, but it always seemed like she could've done more. If she puts in some work, she can probably find a home in AEW like Tay Melo.
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56 minutes ago, AxB said:
If Fenix, instead of pulling Mox up and giving him a second Rikishi Driver, had jumped to the top rope and Frog Splashed him (in that “landing entirely on my knees and elbows without actually touching the guy I’m doing the move to” way), would we be calling him a genius right now?
No, because the impact on any part of the body or the movement from the ring shaking underneath him is still not ideal if you suspect someone has a serious neck injury. Watching it back, it seems like Rick Knox is most at fault for just not counting through the pin. That would've avoided everything else. Fenix, while not being a medical expert of any kind, still deserves some blame. I think a point should be made to all wrestlers and refs that in a shoot injury situation, you just eat the botchamania moment and end the match no matter how bad it looks live. Video can be edited, and fans will forgive for a real injury. Protecting the workers has to come before protecting the business.
With that said, I think not enough is being made of the fact that Mox was obviously concussed on the initial dive. Someone should spot that and end the match right then and there. There's no way you could watch the immediate aftermath of that and think that Mox was ok. With all those guys in the building for Rampage, filling the extra TV time is easy, and Mox working an angle that parallels his angle with Hangman with the roles reversed practically writes itself once he's healed up. If TK is right there in gorilla, he needs to not be afraid to call some audibles.
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I'm not a trained wrestler or anything so I could be wrong, but isn't that Greetings from Asbury Park that Fenix has been using lately one of the safer pile driver variants? I don't think I've ever seen one of those where the person taking it wasn't at least 6 inches off the mat.
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1 hour ago, Hamhock said:
Has anyone done a Fighting Spirit Eye Poke Exchange?
Not quite the same thing, but when Johnny's faction in Lucha Underground won their trios titles, they did it with a super fast-paced triple team sequence that involved mostly low blows. It's similar in spirit to a heel subversion of a modern-style trope.
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Danielson following a Terry Funk career arc sure would be something. I have no doubt Dragon could reinvent himself as a lumberjack version of old Funk and be good enough at it that young viewers watch his old stuff and say "Holy shit this guy was a master technician when he was young?"
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There's no shortage of successful bigoted wrestlers and promoters, so I don't think that's what did Warrior in. Punk is an extremely weird case of being the least successful politician ever. Every time he tried to go into business for himself, it backfired. Probably why he resents HHH so much.
Low Ki stands out as someone with a ton of talent who seemed to piss people off everywhere he went.
Jarrett burned some bridges in WWE and WCW, but he eventually got his own promotion to be a big fish in a small pond.
Flair was pretty lucky that he had a decade of success behind him before hand, because whoa man did he get out-maneuvered horribly once Hogan went down south.
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I don't think MJF would be getting the push he is now without being committed to AEW. I have a feeling that the "bidding war of 2024" stuff is all a work and he signed a new deal probably as far back as winning the "not-MITB" chip, and at the very least before they committed to a face turn and headlining All In. Even Cody never got a rocket strapped to him like MJF has now.
I could see Ricky being frustrated with his start and stop booking, and most recently getting dicked over by Punk. I'd be giving him the International belt at Wrestledream so there's always a reason to give him TV mains and PPV angles.
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I'm not sure why people love Nigel so much as an announcer. He does have a pleasant voice with that cockney accent, but it's so obvious all his prep for announcing came from watching tape of Raw-era Corey Graves. Kelly is also an ex-WWE guy, but from well before the buzzwords got out of control, he just kinda sucks on his own merits. What really hammered home how bad Collision announcing is was when JR was actually carrying the booth during the main. Kelly kept missing the obvious cues JR was trying to feed him to drive the story.
I wouldn't mind seeing Ex/Taz hold down Dynamite and having Tony work with Nigel on Collision, which I think would capture that 94/95 Tony/Heenan dynamic very well.
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19 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:
IIRC, they were originally billed as The Major Brothers.
This is correct. They were a jobber team on SD. They disappeared for a bit then came back with the Hawkins and Ryder names as Edge's lackeys to help him beat Taker.
My biggest memory of them as the Major Brothers was when I was in college, I went to a one of the WLW shows that had NOAH guys on it on a Saturday, then WWE was running a house show in Columbia on Sunday. Other than the NOAH guest stars (who just worked with each other) and a young Bobby Fish, the WLW guys were pretty rough. The Major Brothers were like the absolute bottom of the barrel guys that would still appear on WWE TV at the time, and watching them work the crowd and their general timing and execution really highlighted the difference of what it took to get from a low level indy to the big time. It was like watching an end of the bench NBA player dominate a king of a pickup game.
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Swerve/Hangman feud is so out of left field, but in a good way. That'll be a nice Wrestledream match, and even better if they're heating up Swerve to challenge to MJF at Full Gear. I think Hanger can eat the fall here and there's some potential with him and Kenny helping each other get back on track.
Mox giving OC a nod in a subtle torch-passing moment was a nice touch.
I have no idea what Toni Storm is doing, but I love it.
I also have to say that I'm impressed with them writing two separate mini-feuds with MJF to actually create some intrigue about the tourney.
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On 9/5/2023 at 9:54 AM, Zimbra said:
Now I don't even care who it is I just want someone to do a dick stepdad angle with Nick Wayne.
While there's no doubt Edge or Christian would totally nail that role (no pun intended), I think it loses something since they're the appropriate age to date Nick's mom.
Now if you're looking for something for Jack Perry when he comes back...
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I feel like E&C vs. FTR would be a cool special attraction match, but I can't think of much he would do that interests me beyond that.
Ironically, if Punk were still there, that would be a great program because they mostly missed each other in WWE and they could each unleash their super burial promo instincts without hurting anyone else on the roster.
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Since ROH has fallen through the cracks of my regular viewing, can someone give me a quick recap of why Billie is an Athena fangirl now?
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39 minutes ago, The Natural said:
Meltzer says my man, Bryan Danielson will mainly be on Collison now.
You could get a lot of mileage out of a HOB/BCC feud. You probably still need Bryan and Mox to work some Dynamites from time to time, but that gives you a strong base for Collision.
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22 hours ago, hammerva said:
The Bucks doing a literal victory lap after the tapings is some next level childish shit. I am sure they will say it is just doing heel shit but it really shows how immature they are too. whether Punk had to go or not, losing him will have a serious impact on AEW. you would think they would know that
The Bucks definitely take advantage of the fact that Punk is a bigger, more alienating asshole to do a lot of petty shit without getting too much flack. The second match of the best of 7 they ran right after Brawl Out was funny, I'll give them that, but maybe learn something from Hangman and just walk away.
But if the Bucks getting 80% boos in Chicago is the only "bizarro" crowd response AEW got this weekend, TK 100% made the right call to send Punk on his way. This was by far AEW's biggest risk of a hijacked show, and I think it's a testament to the company and AEW fans in general that it didn't go that way. They may not have as large a fanbase as WWE, but the dedicated base is a lot less cynical and seems to generally realize that AEW will usually try to put out the best, most fan-friendly shows they can despite any bumps in the road. Danielson putting himself at risk to further that goal deserves a lot of credit too. Having an owner that's a true fan has got them into this mess, but it also hastened the recovery I think.
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I knew this show would be good, but I didn't expect it to be that good. Honestly the 1-2 punch with the spectacle and sports entertainment of All In and the more traditional AEW workrate approach of All Out couldn't have worked any better. AEW is at its best when their backs are against the wall.
It was a good call to put Cole and MJF on first. The most over act and top guy in the company went out first and set the tone but didn't overshadow what was to come. Silver and Reynolds are the perfect filler team for BTYBB to further establish their "baseline" before they branch off into more epic matches. The transition and teaser with Joe was well done.
Joe/Taylor was fine. They could've done more, but good restraint with what was basically an ROH match.
Darby took lots of crazy bumps and made Luchasaurus look like a killer, but Luchasaurus is a bit underrated and held his own here. His bumps for the crucifix bomb and avalanche code red were smooth and good looking near-falls. The multiple tombstones was a good finish and it makes sense to build to Christian/Lucha vs. Darby/Wayne in Seattle.
Hobbs/Miro was what really kicked the show off in earnest. Started normal enough, but just kept going (in a good way) and getting bigger. The crowds meat chants hit the right balance of being cute but not taking away from the match. The not-Lana appearance was a legit surprise (but lol at her tron only being "hot and flexible"). Kind of a weird follow up to that but I'm assuming there's a plan for a bigger moment.
Stat/Ruby was a good reminder of what both women are actually capable of. Didn't feel out of place as the show got bigger.
Bryan/Starks was the most violent strap match I've ever seen. Good god those two were laying into each other. Bryan's first few real shots just shredded Ricky's back. It wasn't just how hard they hit each other, but how they didn't seem to care where they got hit. Both guys took so many strap shots to the face and neck. This was sick but I couldn't look away.
Following that with Eddie Kingston was the right idea to keep the crowd going. Solid tag match and a much needed win for Claudio and Yuta with more to come.
Omega/Takeshita was another Kenny masterpiece and a breakout match for Takeshita. It felt like the first time we've really gotten to see him get to top gear in AEW, and you couldn't ask for a better dance partner than Kenny in such a situation. Good false finishes down the stretch and while it wasn't quite as good as the Ospreay match, it really felt like Takeshita earned it.
The 8-man was a buffer to the main, but a good match in its own right. Liked how they played on the FTR/YB dynamic but the more cohesive quartet still won. Jay White is being low-key super protected.
The main event delivered as expected. There were two paths they could've gone down, and while I wasn't quite as convinced of going down the Mox path before the match, they executed the concept perfectly. The vertical drop death rider to finish it was nasty. OC still got his moment afterwards and if anything, his stock still went up a little here. The tunnel entrances before were great. I also have to point out how much I like the dichotomy of Bryan Danielson being a pure babyface defending the honor of Ricky Steamboat and then hyping up scumbag Mox on the same show. It's not actually a contradiction of his character, it's just a far more nuanced level of depth than we're used to in pro wrestling.
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Wrestling has to be one of the very few things left that has truly independent journalists with a wide reach. Dave has his biases, but owning his own press makes things a lot different than having corporate oversight (both for better and worse). Otherwise you can see a lot of similarities with pro sports journalism, and I mean that as a shot at the credibility of sports journalists, not as a compliment to wrestling journalists. Pretty much every top sports reporter is a mouthpiece for team owners or favored agents at this point.
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6 hours ago, zendragon said:
War Pigs | Ted Kirkpatrick | Tourniquet (bandcamp.com)
Who wants to hear Chris Jericho sing Warpigs?
If you're gonna cover a Black Sabbath song, no one is gonna expect you to have better instrumentals than Tony/Bill/Geezer, but also doing it with someone who sings worse than Ozzy is impressive.
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I don't think the crowd will turn on any non-Elite guys put in that spot. If they did, though, it makes Wardlow a top replacement choice because he could dish out a massive beating while Starks works as a face.
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Not that I enter the social media places where such discourse happens, but which would be worse: NXT winning by 500k+ or Dynamite winning/barely losing against a John Cena show?