Iron Moose
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c'est étrange que ça se traduit comme contrecoup - je le lis plus comme 'recoil' que 'backlash' ... ça vient de google translate, ou un autre logiciel?
Pour les Kabuki, on devrait mettre 'guerrières' sauf si i.elles cachent quelque chose ...
Ours Meurtrier me fait MDR
Pour le propre évènement, j'attendrais Sami, Corbin (la France lui adore, et je n'ai aucune idée pourquoi), Ricochet si Samantha est présente ...
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2 hours ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:
Well said - and while I agree with you in context 110%, I think there are a contingent of fans who also subscribe to this theory, but in the polar opposite way:
They believe their duty is not to be a constructive part of the show, as you've described, but moreso to be deconstructive (in both the figurative and literal sense); the wink and nod stuff like "please don't die," "please be careful," "this is awesome," "fight forever," or the dirt fucking worst "please retire." Or the shit heads with "gimmicks" who want to get over online so they can start a pod or whatever. It all goes back to what you said before: "I might have bought a ticket to be here, but I still know it's a work!'
I certainly wish more people were in line with your and my way of thinking, but by the same token, I've kind of accepted it as part and parcel of wrestling advancing to a place where cards are full of guys my age and younger who grew up watching ECW, shooty Kliq angles, Montreal, the classic Russo-isms, Punk signing his WWE deal in the ring at ROH, etc. To them, fucking with the fourth wall is a feature, not a bug. I mean, look at how popular the Young Bucks were, even way pre-AEW - even the most rabid fans of theirs I think would have to agree that stuff helped them get to where they are just as much as all the crazy matches. So I get the appeal of wanting to be "in" on the act in that same fourth-wall breaking kind of way - it's the "worked shoot promo" of fan behavior. I just - similarly - don't fucking like it.
We should be part of the show, but not part of the show - a seasoning rather than an ingredient.
this is in no way intended to be a gotcha! comment, but I think it's important to make allowances for the crowd steering alignments over the intent of the writers.
That there's a distinction between rejecting the story while engaging with it (Io/Bianca in PR; refusing to accept Becky as a heel, leading to The Man era), versus disregarding the story (the MEAT chants for Miro/Hobbs when their respective alignments were ... unclear at the time?), but I'm not sure where or how clear that border is...
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1 hour ago, tbarrie said:
Yeah, I've had thoughts along this line before, though I don't know that I've ever posted them here. Modern wrestling audiences are reluctant to engage with the story the performers are telling in part because, on some level, they're worried doing so would give the impression they think it's real. One of many ways the ghost of kayfabe still haunts current wrestling.
this is brilliant, and aligns well with how the hottest wwe AND aew stories over the past years have had the gloss of office politics behind them.
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9 minutes ago, Greggulator said:
I love Willow but I thought her segment with Mercedes looked weak because of her. Willow was angled to try and look at the camera a lot, as opposed to looking at Sasha who was directly angled at her.
In live theater, actors always “cheat” and tilt themselves like that so the live audience can hear better. It felt like they were trying to do that at times last night. You don’t need to do that when something is mic’d up. It just looked off. Like, the sneakiest and most conniving women’s wrestler ever who is coming for your title who you injured in a match is right there, you should be staring her down to try and not worried about anything else.
Maybe the venue’s camera set up was weird or they were trying to do something a bit different since the WWE has been getting raves for their new direction. It just looked off at times — like with Jack deciding to turn and look directly in the camera for no real reason at times.
this is the kind of analysis I really dig. I do think the venue setup is uniquely unusual, but yeah, a lot of things felt a bit off.
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Ava should draft Dwayne, be told he's not available, and then stare into the distance and mutter "... no, he never is. "
And then everything continues as expected.
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2 hours ago, Eivion said:
A pity about Von, but I'm not sure there was much else to do with him in NXT and he didn't offer much for a main roster run. He is solid so I hope he finds something good to do on the indie scene or maybe try to hit up Japan.
I somewhat disagree with this. I don't think there would have been anything for Roxanne to do had she been called up last year. All you have to do is see how all of those callups went to figure out where Roxanne would be. She might be better off this year with Rhea out, but I still think she will end up not doing much if she is called up with the Draft.
Roxanne, through no fault of her own, strikes me as a real challenge to pull up to the main roster. I think another few months in NXT to figure out a synthesis of her current edge with faceness would help her a lot.
I think the struggle is in finding a balance between regressing her character to be easier for a big audience to get to like and follow, versus bringing her up with her current, snarkier outlook.
Witness the main roster struggles of KC2, Candice and Indi and Team Kick - a big part of why I think they've had trouble connecting is that a lot of their character development (that situates their current personas in opposition to their previous selves) happened years ago, effectively offscreen.
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Meanwhile, on LVL UP:
Riley Osborne d Kale Dixon - I will assume this was flippy and competent but I'm too tired for it right now.
Karmen Petrovic d. Wren Sinclair, in another really solid base performance from Wren, possibly the best Petrovic has looked outside of her very chippy series with Lola. I think this suffered a bit from being face-face and I'm not sure what Petrovic is going for with her makeup, but she has some great kicks and counters. The commentary re Wren's Harry Potter fandom was off-putting and infantilizing, which seems to be happening more and more as the NXT Women's division skews younger, but that's a concern for another time.
Hank & Tank d Javier Bernal and Drake Morreaux in a very big, dumb, fun display of horseplay.
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4 hours ago, caley said:
A quick Google (Was curious myself) says it's believe she injured her shoulder when Liv threw her into the wall last week...but with the state of wrestling nooz this could just be a guess, bizarre attempt at kayfabe or AI-generated so who even knows?!
Last time she was concussed she was out of action for quite a while, and shortly after she won the Rumble she had an interview where she spoke about her knees being in really bad shape. Last week, during the Liv backstage attack, she had her other forearm in a brace of some sort. It could be a lot of things, I guess.
Anyway, they also announced that next week there's a battle royale to name the next women's champion. Not sure who they go with, but given the impending draft I'm hoping NXT gets a few people in the mix.
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10 hours ago, Cliff Hanger said:
Of course, this wasn't an intentional arc for either of them (it's backfill and apophenia,) and ascribing genuine humanity to such goofy one-note characters is giving the writers too much credit, but this is way more dark than when we thought he'd lost it all on craps and horse racing and shit.
This also applies to Jacy's sudden re-heeling, turning away from Thea (when they were a genuinely fun team against Chelsea and Piper) and towards Jazmyn, and what seems like the plug being pulled on Thea/Riley.
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1 hour ago, Cliff Hanger said:
By betting enough money to sink the school, the literal most important thing in Thea's life, he (a) risked her future and dozens if not hundreds of others to enrich himself financially, (b) made it her responsibility to save the school without knowing it was even at risk, (c) took it upon himself to lose the school FOR her by throwing in the towel against Stratton out of guilt and fear, and (d) all of those things led to her falling in with Jacy, who fucked with her head for giggles.
Of course, this wasn't an intentional arc for either of them (it's backfill and apophenia,) and ascribing genuine humanity to such goofy one-note characters is giving the writers too much credit, but this is way more dark than when we thought he'd lost it all on craps and horse racing and shit. Andre never acted from a place of malice, but even with such a goofy story that would be a lot to ask someone so naive and trusting to forgive on the spot.
it's also paternalistic, and a big part of Thea's character since the towel was thrown in has been asserting her independence.
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Ruca/Davenport ended up being a very able Face Guts It Out performance, but I am a bit disappointed because I think the story called for Fired Up Face Loses Because They Stop Themselves From Going To A Dark Place. Blair shoved nine months of Sol's life into rehab and physio - I feel like starting mad or starting cold would have been preferable to the slower build we got.
Wren continues to do lots of little things right; Grace's character work continues to delight. I hope Dolin's OK.
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Solid episode overall. Nyx held up her end and it looks like we're building to a big tag with Kiana/Izzy/Jacy and Kelani/Fallon/Thea. If they pull in Nyx I guess the faces can bring in Brinley or Wren?
Trick has IT.
For the sake of Sol's character development I really hope she doesn't come out smiling next week and do her entire entrance routine. The story calls for anger.
Stacks' match essentially being a kamikaze mission to hurt Ilja's chopping hand was smart.
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Guest Ref Punk was an intriguing part of the journey, such that feels like it undermined the eventual Special Guest On Commentary destination.
it was like the sound chip on the talking The Rock doll got stuck between "look at you now" and "MAMArhodes"
Also if Mama Rhodes doesn't slap The Rock real hard during 'mania (or I guess whip him with the belt?) what are we even doing here
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1 hour ago, hammerva said:
Rhea Ripley doing everything possible to not be a heel as apparently she has added a new movie to her arsenal. The Stinkface
https://twitter.com/RheaRipley_WWE/status/1771931599426175230
Cue the Dolph Ziggler "It should have been me" meme
Shayna tries to get involved:
And Punk enters the conversation (well, at least two conversations at once)
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Meanwhile, on LVL UP
WATCH THIS MATCH: Tavion Heights d. a debuting Saquon Shugars. Both look amazing here. They make a waist-lock takedown look DEVASTATING. Shugars actually makes a bit during a drop-down exchange look good, does some unusual diving elbows and legdrops, takes an incredible high back body drop and Heights does like nine straight gutwrenches and his throws look superb.
Jaida Parker d. a debuting Lainey Reid. Lainey is described as a former hurdler with rodeo experience, "polite, respectful, and charming" and has some low-energy country twanging as entrance music, so I'm a little wary. Reid does Michaels' turnbuckle flip pretty well, and has a nice recovery from a diving sunset flip that goes a bit awry. This picks up a bit once Parker starts trash-talking; her striking is uneven but buoyed by her crowd work. Reid's small package is tighter than Carlee Bright's, but not as nice as Gigi Dolin's. It looks like she tries to finish with a kneebreaker out of the corner, but Parker seems to counter it and hits a... jumping leg lariat? running Famous-er? to win. OK overall.
Eddy Thorpe d. Uriah Connors. Uriah, formerly Brogan Finlay, has a weird combination of high ponytail, cutoff jacket and tiny pants, making him seem somewhat unlikable. This is worked with a surprising level of parity until a successful Connors dive... after which Thorpe regains control for a bit, which seemed odd. Connors has some brief runs of nice offense before Thorpe puts him down with an elevated DDT. This was also fine! Doesn't feel likely that whoever Connors hits next gives him as much as Thorpe did here.
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On 3/7/2024 at 2:06 PM, tbarrie said:
That reminds me - I saw part of last year's match and wasn't sure how to react to the finish. I meant to ask here for some context but never got around to it.
Specifically: had Roman been relying on copious interference to retain his title in previous defences? Or was he just mowing opponents down prior to 'Mania? If it was the latter, then I think the outcome was fine, because having to resort to means he hadn't before at least represents a progression in the story. But if it's the former, I think doing a "same old same old" finish in the Wrestlemania main event is pretty bad writing, at least when it's not the result the fans wanted.
pre-Mania, he beat Sami after a bunch of bloodline melodrama at Elimination Chamber.
pre-Elimination Chamber, he beat Owens at the Rumble with some distractions from Sami, and then we got some bloodline melodrama after.
pre-Rumble, the bloodline won war games at Survivor Series.
pre-Survivor Series, he beat Logan Paul after Bloodline interference at Crown Jewel.
pre-Crown Jewel, he beat Drew at Clash at the Castle when Solo debuted.
pre-Clash at the Castle, he beat Lesnar at Summerslam after a whole lot of interference (Bloodline and Theory)
Very much same old same old.
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With apologies for putting this into the universe: what if he cashes in during the tag?
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30 minutes ago, Godfrey said:
I found Creeds/DIY and it was pretty dope. The Creed Bros have a lot of fun signature spots already like Julius suplexing a guy from his knees which is my kind of wrestling physics. They're still rough though and there's at least a couple of things in every match that don't quite work but thankfully they're strong enough that they can compensate and land guys like DIY pretty much anywhere. One day they will hit one of the impressive spots they try to do, this one was Julius trying a one-armed powerbomb to Gargano while holding Ciampa in an ankle lock with the other hand. Total madness to even try really and yet he almost got it
He's done it a few times in NXT.
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3 hours ago, SirSmUgly said:
SCSA hot take incoming: He and Kurt Angle had their career best match against one another at SummerSlam '01.
Most people prefer Bret/Austin at WM 13 for Austin, and lots of folks prefer Benoit/Angle at the '03 Rumble, which is why I think this classified as a hot take.
This is a good take.
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Meanwhile, on LVL UP
Lola Vice d Carlee Bright with a "Vice Grip" headscissor. Bright is a former cheerleader with an entrance theme that sounds a bit like Sixpence None The Richer, and her mother is apparently in the front row. Most of this works, but feels more like a demo than a scrap. Vice has a decent spinebuster and ends up bleeding from the mouth - possibly from a shoulderblock - but doesn't capitalize on it by firing up. Bright's inside cradle is not as tight as Dolin's from the weekly show, and she and Vice don't put much into a kickout, versus a release. Bright has a nice single-leg dropkick and ambitious cartwheel-knee thing, Vice quickly ends things by kicking her out of mid-air. There was an unfortunate lack of mother-taunting.
Stacks and Luca Crusifino d. Javier Bernal and Drake Morreaux (an affable new guy wearing overalls, kinda swampy with a New Orleans vibe). New Guy's first move is to take down his straps, which seems unearned. It's solid, less of the cooperative vibe here, but the crowd dynamic is a bit off because New Guy is new and seems likable, and beating on Javier tiptoes over the line into getting crowd unhappy. Bernal has a weird top rope elbow leading to a bit of repetitive offense from Morreaux; Stacks and Crusifino come back with a more enegetic finishing run. This was a pleasant surprise; the new D'Angelo Family worked well together, Morreaux has some charisma.
Sol Ruca d Wren Sinclair. Wren immediately goes up in my estimation by reacting to Ruca's entrance flip with some posing of her own that manages to come off as enthusiastic, rather than snarky. She continues to be actively in the match with, of all things, a hammerlock - Ruca reaches between her legs to try to break it, Sinclair moves her own leg out of the way to maintain it. We get a bit more standing grappling before an awkward spinout from Sinclair; she smartly brings things back on track with a leg pick and variation of the diving neck snap to a seated opponent. Some back and forth, eventually Sinclair puts some good struggle into getting out of a grounded headlock and we get a funky crossbody collision; a bit more back and forth leads to a blocked Snatcher attempt, duelling rollups and a Sol Snatcher finishes. Ruca helps Sinclair up after the 3, seems glad to be back.
Good episode, worth watching. Did we know that Madi Wrenkowski had these incredible rock-solid go-with-the-flow, hold-everything-together fundamentals? She seems really young to give these player-coach vibes and I really want to see her work up and down the entire division now, and get a story that's not just "she's new and nervous and happy".
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4 hours ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:
Dug Brooks looking like an 80s babyface in his gear. Just needs more chest hair.
PAY FOR SEPARATE WAYS YOU COWARDS
6 hours ago, Eivion said:Will be interesting to see what makeover she gives Gigi.
I feel like it might be leading to this year's Women's Dusty Cup? Fallon/Thea, Kiana/Izzi, Gigi/Ariana, Jacy/Jazmyn, Lash/Jakara all seem like they could bounce off each other pretty well.
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Meanwhile, on LVL UP
Generally high floor this week.
Stacks d. a returning Kale Dixon with a curb stomp with the knee. Dixon doesn't get too much, but has some good strikes and makes a flatliner look reasonable, but pauses a bit much in the finisher setup. Stacks' character work comes through better than in his tags.
Lola Vice d. Wren Sinclair with a backfist. This has surprising chemistry. It starts with Wren holding up a hand for a test of strength and Lola just punching it instead. Wren's attire says "completely new at this" but some sequences in her ringwork show a measure of genre-savvy that I think the audience appreciates: Lola blocks what would be a pinfall reversal sequence, Wren catches the the upward kick and turns it into a cradle. Wren has really good follow-through with her shoulderblocks and clotheslines - it feels like a number of other people would be doing the move in a vacuum; she slows down for a sec after each to better express the impacts. Lola does a bit more grappling than usual, reacts with indignation that's a bit more realistic than she usually does. Good stuff.
J'Evon Evans d. Javier Bernal. Bernal has a new, somewhat goofy 80s rock outfit and entrance. Evans has a ton of potential and the crowd is really into him, some Wes Lee vibes. A few of their bits seem a bit forced, but both do well overall.
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I recognize that the current spirit of the booking is against making fans really unhappy, but I still have this feeling that Becky and Rhea could cost each other their matches at EC, let someone else beat Nia at Mania and run Becky/Rhea without the title involved.
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an image has allegedly leaked on the wwe website of the women's EC participants:
SpoilerLiv, Naomi, Jade, Becky, Bianca, Tiffany
which, although somewhat predictable, would probably be quite good.
WWE TV - 4/29 - 5/5/2024 - Chadeness (Part I)
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Tatum tweeting "MY HOME" after Ivar and Oba smashed through the barricade was great. A bit unfortunate that she wasn't on the show after last week.
Jacy was bleeding quite a bit after her match, I hope she's OK.
Fallon's outburst makes sense given what she's been through the past months (taking Jazmyn's Pele for Thea, being on the outside of the Stand and Deliver celebration, regretting breaking up with Brooks and Jensen, getting upset by Jaida without anyone in her corner). It also feels more real than Jacy's one-dimensional (albeit delightful) contrarian villainy, and it's not out of left field to be exasperated with Chase U - but it'll be disappointing if it leads to a YOU FANS promo and slide towards cruelty for the sake of it.
I really like Sol as a basically reasonable person that everyone is OK with, it lets her interact with a lot of Big Personalities and find a more sure footing as a character. Jaida was a bit nervous on the mic but ultimately delivered; Sol seemed to be rushing a bit to hit her marks. Both Sol and Jaida had good asides while Ariana was talking, and Mia is probably in the ladder match to steady it out.
Ridge on the verge of being pulled into the Chase U vortex is intriguing. Him and Andre being reasonable to each other was really nice to see, somehow.