Petey
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Good point. I still think it makes sense to not bring either guy back.
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Apparently Devon's gone too and Styles might not be far behind. I'm fine with that. TNA should trim the roster. I wasn't a fan of Devon and although I like AJ, he's been with the company since its inception and has done everything that could be done. And hey, if he comes back in a few years with all new talent, it could be fun.
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Agreed. HHH was put in position to succeed but it wasn't different than most guys that WWF wanted to get over at the time.
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Yeah I don't really understand people who say Trips was undeservedly shoved down everyone's throats during the initial main event push in 1999. I don't remember that year great but I definitely don't remember being offended that HHH was getting elevated. Obviously he reached another level in 2000 when he retired Foley and had one of the great calendar year's in the history of the sport (TM Tony Schiavone), but I still thought he was fine in '99.
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The biggest difference between WWF in the late 80's/early 90's and today isn't the in-ring work but the presentation. When you only had four or five pay-per-views and an hour of A television each week, it was easier to do long term planning not just for the top wrestlers and angles but for more of the roster. You could pencil in the WrestleMania main event and build from there. It's much harder to do any long term booking because there's twelve PPV's and three hours of A television each week. And the A television in 2013 has matches with much more name value than it did in 1994. In a way, the beginning, middle and end of storytelling that a lot of us grew up on has been replaced by what seems like an endless run-on of stuff.
I remember how back in my day (I went there), the night after a pay-per-view was a huge thing, not just because you wanted to find out who won the matches, but also because it often meant that new feuds were going to be developing and it was almost like a TV show's season premiere. This was especially true with WrestleMania. But with three hour Raw's that often feature PPV rematches and that kind of quality match in general, everything kinda runs together. I actually kinda feel bad for the writers because I would imagine that writing a Raw in 2013 is far more emotionally draining than putting together a show even during the Attitude Era. The show now almost seems like a pay-per-view itself (I felt that way even before it switched to three hours) that basically takes the same stuff and recycles it each week with slight modifications rather than a traditional style where one thing leads to the next which leads to the next before the climax.
The roster is big but it's not necessarily deep in talent if that makes sense. There's a lot of different faces but few that are really distinguished. Crash TV worked in the late 90's because the roster was incredibly talented both on top and in the midcard. That talent depth isn't what it used to be and really, a presentation closer to Superstars of Wrestling in the late 80's/early 90's or Raw pre-Monday Night Wars would probably be more suited for the current roster than the big match formula that's driven the show since the mid-late 90's. It'll obviously never go back to the old days because I don't think fans would be willing to sit through a show of mostly squash matches (no less three hours of squashes) but also because the revenue WWE makes off TV nowadays is so astronomically higher than it was fifteen years ago that there's no reason to jeopardize the TV money just to maybe have a better show. But let's face it, relying on TV as the main draw instead of using it as the main tool to build to the PPV has not only made pay-per-views less important but I think is really what's screwed up the simpler beginning, middle and end format that was mentioned earlier.
All that said, I'm more invested in WWE this year than I've been since the early part of the decade back when I was in high school and had friends I'd see and chat with about the show. I don't necessarily watch every week and my viewing will probably go down a lot once Monday Night Football returns, but I'm starting to accept the current show for what it is and take the good with the bad. And right now, the good is REALLY good.
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If it means anything, Margaret is almost non-existent in season 3. Rothstein also has a bigger role.
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That Stahl execution was one of my favorite moments in TV history.
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Hell of an ass on that Michael C. Hall.
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Good point. Makes her standout and makes sense like you said. It's nice that not quite everyone is a super cool bad ass.
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I don't know really where else to post this but I am really glad Brooke Hogan is gone. Now if only the other Hogan would/could officially disappear from TNA.
Wouldn't be surprised if he's gone soon. He hasn't been on the last two weeks and the WON said Brooke was fired. Between that and being behind on pay, writing might be on the wall for the end of Hogan in TNA.
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Could the case be made for the /Flair/Arn/Sid/Windham horsemen to be possibly the best drawing configuration?
In hindsight it seems like a supergroup with relatively little downside.
I always thought Flair/Arn/Tully/Windham was considered to be the best incarnation but man, that's still a freggin' awesome combo.
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How is Clay NOT sympathetic?
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I get that but like you said, there's a way to be smart about it and there's just too many people not being smart about it and it can be tough to watch as someone just imagining the damage potentially being done. 16 year old me loved it but 26 year old me... not so much.
And the high flying moves definitely have a place, but some rhyme or reason doesn't hurt.
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The Hogan character would have been awesome if they made it so that he didn't have it every week because he was past his prime. In fact, if they made it so that he was only VINTAGE HOGAN like once a month or something would have been cool. Almost like a baseball player who had a tremendous career but is now a pinch hitter and every once in a while gets into a pitch and just crushes it and looks like he's 28 again. Ditto for the NBA player who signs on with a title contender at the end of his career and every once in a while shows flashes of the player he was back in the day. But with Hogan, he got over and so they basically just made him Hulk Hogan except he looked older and moved slower but was still presented like he was in his prime (for the most part).
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How does one do a "Package Canadian Destroyer"? Simply hooking one leg as they snap thru?
Back in '05 (I think) I wrestled at the Nashville Fairgrounds as part of the NWA Anniversary Show/Convention. At that time Bill Behrens was the President of the NWA, and was kinda considered a "godfather" of sorts because of his connections w/ TNA, as well handling bookings for a lot of the "super indy" guys on the periphery of TNA. Anyway, he was the promoter of record for NWA Wildside, which at the time had pretty significant television syndication (Beherns' was in television syndication sales, by trade).
The first match on the show featured four "Wildside guys" - Patrick Bentley & Seth Delay versus Adam Roberts & Lost Boy Gabriel. All of these guys were skinny as shit and I just had the feeling this was going to be flippyfest. I was watching thru the curtain with NJPW's Dave Marquez & Tommy Williams. The first fucking move in the match, one guy went for the ol' backdrop as the other guy came off the ropes, and BAM! CANADIAN DESTROYER~! I flipped the fuck out in the lockerroom in front of everyone.
Ridiculous. It's even more ridiculous when I think about how I used to be such a fan of the random flipfests and all the head drops and such back when I was in high school/just started college. I think the Benoit stuff and Misawa dying in the ring really turned me off of it to the point where I cringe whenever I hear about the apron moves and other super dangerous stuff. I'm sure the concussion situation becoming more prominent in the NFL also affects how I view wrestling. I get that the professional wrestling is a contact sport and injuries are gonna happen, but it's just silly what some of these guys do.
For as cranky as Cornette often comes off nowadays, he kinda has a point when he would talk about ECW and how everyone knew wrestling was fake but the ECW guys were legit hurting each other, sometimes it didn't look like they were and no one bought it anyway and it wound up having a long term negative impact on the business. I think that can be applied for the movez wrestlers of today.
All I ask for is that the DDT goes back to being a devastating move and not just 'Vintage Orton'.
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Say what you will about Meltz, and I know he isn't always right and I know people love to get on him when he's wrong, but it's never for lack of effort. Dude is clearly still fully absorbed in putting out the best quality newsletter he can. There might be more MMA talk and all that, but he's clearly still working really hard.
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My No Mercy cart no only wiped saved data but also slowed down with four guys on the screen. Aside from the glitches, it's probably my favorite game ever.
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This isn't new but I'll mention it anyway:
Dave Meltzer's protege has a newsletter in which he(Bryan) writes about 5% of(if that).
Dave needs to have better taste/judgement.
That is just pathetic. The guy(Bryan) can't even be bothered to write his own newsletter. He literally outsources almost the entire newsletter.
I think the newsletter is secondary to the audio content.
Totally agree. I probably only ever read the WO for an obit or a huge angle. And I've been a subscriber for four years and never read the F4 once.
Dave really should spring a couple bucks for a proofreader. They had a TNA Impact Yes/No survey on the update today, and he managed to misspell the word "No."
Lost it.
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A simulation? Is that like where you'd cooperate with your opponent?
How great would that be? Especially if you had the option of going into business for yourself but if you lost you were penalized somehow. Maybe having to play the TNA wrestling game for a week straight.
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Flair: heel Piper: face (for now) Bischoff: face. Top of the food chain: ????
From what I've read, it gets even more confusing really soon.
Bischoff was a babyface? Wow.
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I had never heard that before. That's interesting.
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As I wasn't watching WCW by this point I really have no idea... were both Piper and Flair heels? Was Bischoff a babyface? Was Bischoff a heel and helping babyface Piper because Pipes was the lesser of two evils? I'm confused.
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Heat Wave '98 was actually a really good PPV and one of the better ones ECW ever had (I know that doesn't mean much, but it was still great).
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I'm listening to Part 2 of the Scott Hall interview and them listing their favorite dropkicks and worked punches is just fantastic. Such a great listen. There's just something awesome about listening to a couple of the business' biggest stars and how they just love the professional wrestling so much and know so much about its history.
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Your timeline is a little off here. The Nigel/Danielson match you're describing was from Unified which was part of ROH's United Kingdom debut and Nigel was the hometown hero. It was a pretty big match as it was the unification match for the World and Pure Titles. Also, the match occurred a year before the Benoit stuff.
The Epic Encounter 2 was a 2/3 falls rematch between Nigel/Danielson but doesn't involve the headbutting the ring post spot. All that said, I'm not huge on reusing show names, especially when they'd use it before the show occurred. Manhattan Mayhem II was a really good show but I didn't like that they were already dubbing it MM2 before the show even occurred.