thecubsfan
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I just thought that was an odd line, but I really wouldn't mind a Rey-Ricochet match.
I'm pretty sure the original "mentor of Prince Puma" role was supposed to be Rey until WWE extended his contract, and Konnan was put in the spot instead (and they're going a different direction with it.) The throwaway line was to set up Rey eventually taking over that role, but I would not expect Rey to be wrestling much more than he is now.
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Has anyone brought up the fact that Del Rio is going to be at the next set of tapings supposedly?
Maybe. They're not going to use him until his WWE no compete resolved. If it's done by January (either by settling or getting it thrown out), they'll write him in then. If they have to wait until next September, they'll do it then. But I don't think anything's actually changed with that, or he wouldn't be free to do anti-WWE interviews.
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Surely this can't lead to a match? Neither guy is in ring shape and Konnan looks particularly unhealthy.
(granted, this is wrestling, so that probably means they'll wrestle a broadway at some point.)
Not a match.
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I know Konnan has said he wasn't aware of what Vampiro was saying, but it's hard to believe Vampiro was going into business for himself the entire time. Sneaking things in commentary is one thing, but calling Konnan a cancer in the static shot of the announcers before the main event isn't going to be missed. It does start to go somewhere by the end of these tapings so it became a storyline at some point.
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People got caught blading on screen a couple times and that was the end of blood. (Hey, maybe if they lose all their TV...)
Brawling into the crowd seems to be at least partially a liability issue (as much fans messing with wrestlers as wrestlers hitting fans) but it's mostly the people involved just have a very set conception of what lucha libre should be and brawling into the crowd and weapon spots are considered substandard.
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For those who care, the other henchmen out with Big Zeke/Rycklon Stephens were Ricky Reyes and Lil' Cholo.
They're going with
Ricky Reyes -> Cortez Castro
Lil’ Cholo -> Mr. Cisco
Ezekiel Jackson -> Big Ryck
I know too much about this.
was also weird to see a woman like Sexy Star play the progressive intergender wrestling role compared to her AAA character.Totally was. It's very obvious that they figured out the characters they wanted on this show and then used available talent to cast them, instead of the usual opposite way. Sexy Star got the "tough masked chick" role because she's the checked off the masked chick (better than La Jarochita) even though other people would've worked better if they didn't need a mask. It's a good idea for a character but it's so different from what she's done.
They blew thru this in the opening seconds, but the whole thing with Dario and money and TripleMania and Dorian was Dario Cueto buying the contracts of five AAA wrestlers (Demon, Sexy, Fenix, Pentagon, Drago) for his promotion. They've mentioned this in press releases but I'd guess 90% of the people had no idea what that scene was about. Maybe they were waiting for the other guys to explain. If you're doing that story, Sexy has to be Sexy...but they could've had him bought someone else and introduced Sexy differently, as they will with other AAA wrestlers starting next week.
"I agree with Tim, it didn't remotely seem like an alternative especially when you look at them bringing in a guy like Zeke and subjecting me to Chavo. "
You guys are not alone on this. It wasn't meant to work out that way - they incredibly did not have the work visas done for Drago/Fenix/Pentagon in time so they couldn't be on the first shows - but they got some strong feedback from people and appeared to correct course by adding more than just those three. It takes a couple episodes to get there and it's still a lot more high spot US influenced than CMLL style lucha, but that style AAA would promote if they could restart fresh.
"so I'm hoping they have replays at more opportune times"They're doing a Saturday 9 AM repeat and then the Unimas airing at 3pm the same day. But they should have it on more than that (like why not just air it during RAW for wrestling fans flipping around?) and maybe they will once they have a few more episodes.
"I was a bit disappointed by Chavito and Blue Demon jr., they can still go,"Blue Demon (or Daymon?) can go when Villano IV is there to punch him in the face.
My only real regret is that they didn't sign Chessman (my favorite lucha guy ever)Supposedly, everyone in AAA will eventually make an appearance here - though I'm not sure how that's going to work with Chessman. Serial killer named luchadors probably don't work as well in the US. Maybe he gets a new gimmick too?
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Konnan's hip surgery took place shortly before the tapings began. I was surprised he was even able to walk as far as he was with Prince Puma.
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long forgotten CMLL luchador Rey Tigre was yelling that out during the match, and Vince imitated it on the show.
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WWE's not going to push anyone past the middle (or the low middle) without the ability to do English promos and most guys in Mexico can't do English promos. Anything else - size, flips, looks whatever - WWE has plenty of people who can do that. Hijo del Fantasma can do promos in English so he's the guy who makes the most sense. Other guys have shown an ability to write a little bit of English on Twitter, though it's a long way from being able to tweet in a foreign language and be able to speak/understand it. (I know that one.) They signed Hijo del Medico Asesino, who would be hard pressed to make a top 500 in Mexico, and the speaking part is the only reason I can figure.
Monster Clown's older than you'd think and Murder Clown is secretly no good but protected by being in trios. He can get better, Rowan did, but it's another obstacle. It'd be a lot easier for WWE to just steal the gimmick than translate the characters (and they wouldn't want to do that because they'd need to reinvent it as their own instead.)
There are guys who could do well in a fantasy WWE - or current NXT! - but there are very few who would do well in the greater environment. Maybe the secret answer is actually Tigre Uno, depending on how well he's been paying attention at indy shows and TNA the last couple of years.
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Very confused by the finish. Guerrero is the (relatively) younger wrestler. Logic would dictate that Atlantis would lose and unmask given he has very little time left as a main eventer.
Ultimo Guerrero is relatively younger, but he's also been around long enough that he's solidified as a top guy but not a huge draw - one big win, even a win like beating Atlantis - is not going to change his career trajectory much. It'd have to be someone much younger like Sombra to be worthwhile...and even then, it's going to turn the crowd against whoever beats Atlantis and there needs to be a strong tecnico to feud with him going forward.
I think it's 60/40 never ends up losing his mask. He can still get up for the big matches but is slowing down otherwise, and there's no more than a three year window left for it to happen.
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Rush vs the loser? Maaaaybe Volador? CMLL being able to draw around 13K for Rush vs Shocker and Rush vs Casas means they probably can stick around just about anyone and draw 10K if they want. Rush keeps making sure to bring up wanting a mask next, so maybe it's him (and not Sombra) vs the winner.
The way I see CMLL at the top right now is any combination of Sombra, Rush, Ultimo Guerrero and Atlantis (even after the mask match) can be put together to make a Anniversary sell out (or thereabouts), but it's more a question if CMLL is going to care about running those big matches.
CMLL's been running this video package of the last 10 losers on Anniversary shows constantly on the 52MX show (literally ten times a show) - it's supposed to get people hyped for Atlantis/UG, but it more reminds me of all the years where they don't actually feel like putting on super match. Rush's next big match might be a long time away if they don't think they have one or aren't interested in doing much.
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So the odds are favoring Atlantis winning? That's what the WON seemed to indicate. I'm sort of boggled by that decision in that if UG wins, they can build to him losing the mask vs Rush next year, and yeah, that'd be less important than him losing it to Atlantis, but if they're going to take the mask off him anyway, there seems a ton more value in having two big matches instead of one and it's not like Atlantis can't serve in sort of a Blue Panther role without the mask (and Dave indicated as such) and do some big celebratory tours without it or whatever.
Yea, everything seems to be pointing towards Atlantis. Could still be a fakeout, but they've been too obvious with UG not just winning the Universal tournament, but beating Sombra to do it and beating Rush earlier - they're giving him the big wins to fatten him up for the bigger loss.
I think the next big match is Atlantis against La Sombra - it would mean a lot more for Somrba than even beating UG, but there's a risk Atlantis isn't going to make it another year. He's slowing down more each year. He's not doing Undertaker WM matches, he's working a lot easier, but they're taking the risk of his body just giving out at some point and not being able to do the matches they want to do.
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Cool to see some other people, including a Tony Salazar who might as well be a different person than the guy employed by CMLL today, but the long beatdown wasn't memorable enough to make this work for me. Salazar and Herodes probably had a heck of a match based off what we saw here (and announcer Pedro did note it was a great match.) The last couple minutes that focused on their brawl was by far the best part of the match and crowd chanting for Tony was neat. He's one where I know he was a star, but have no real grasp about how big of one – he seemed like a pretty big one on this show. Didn't like Ringo's big comeback punches, they all seemed like they looked very pulled.
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It was really hard for me to get into the match with nearly no sound, but the brawl prior to the match with the Infernales and the brawling during the match was very good. Lizmark can throw a punch. Egipicio was a strong rudo. Finishes in the third fall were weak.
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Definitely felt like a slightly different match the the week prior; both guys seemed wary and distrustful of each other after that finish, and they brought in enough different spots that it avoided feeling like a repeat. They weren't working as cleanly – there were less holds and more moves – but it didn't feel like it built up to a strong pitch before the finish. Rocca's cradle to take the first fall was great. Cota being an active in the final double pin made that spot better than usual; Rocca didn't pin himself, he was pulled into it. Last week's one just had a bit more to it.
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Really loved the mat work, especially in the first two falls. They had great different sequences (again, to 2014 eyes) that seemed back and forth while making the holds feel competitve. It was a total techincal match until the last few minutes, so much so that I was only half sure Cota was the rudo and Rocca was the técnico because Rocca would smile and Cota always had a sour expression. Cota also had some awesome dropkicks. It's possible everyone in the 80s had awesome dropkicks, but Cota was on point here. Also delighted to see Cota use Zayco's finish (or really vice versa), but I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who possibly cares about that. It felt like it slowed down a bit in the third, with a fair bit of catch and release submissions and the cameras missing half of the finish, but I was still eager to keep going for the rematch.
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The great thing about not paying attention is I don't know what's on any DVD until I grabbed the list off the DVDMB, so I was surprised and thrilled to see Atlantis & Satanico list first. The not great thing is I can't remember what weird scheme I was using to rate these. (Out of 100 but not actually posting it anywhere? Hmmm.) This was a great fight. Satanico, arrogantly beating the upstart técnico was good, but Satanico bumping around the ring like a crazy man for every one of Atlantis' shots was better. No one's taking dropkicks better than Satanico does early here. The best when Satanico is selling and Atlantis is walking around like an hombre barely in control of his body moments for he is so full of rage. Satanico's the master of the small touches too - Satanico's foul in the second fall was so subtle that I had to rewind multiple times to even spot it – subtle fouls are a thing that don't exist in 2014 – but really perfectly done.
I think they were still figuring out how/when to use the replay, as they seemed to slow motion replay a full minute of the first fall. (Then again, the match hadn't started when they got back, so maybe they knew better.) Seeing guys who I'm familiar with from watching more recent lucha is the most disorienting. A lot of those guys were fully formed by the time I started watching, changing little for a decade and a half to follow. These are two very different guys who are wearing the same clothes. I was wondering why Atlantis wouldn't switch in the spinning backbreaker for the side one he was doing, and then realized he might have not known how to pull it off yet. Atlantis' blood is shocking – it's just not what I'm used to him from the last decade of CMLL, and his chest is suddenly covered in red. Both guys get color, though the pictures loses it for a while.
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Nope. Next taping isn't until a week from this Sunday (09/07), and won't start airing until the Saturday after that (09/13)
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earnestly replying to a sarcastic joke!
lowercase perro is an insult - "you're nothing but a low down mangy mutt" kind of dog
Perro started as a nickname for his father (after his name Pedro was misspelled on a poster), re-positioning the name as if it mean a mean pitbull. His son means it that way, everyone else uses as an insult.
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"Rey Misterio Jr." and "Rey Misterio Jr." are untrademarked.
Am I missing something, or is that the same name twice?
Nah, I mised a y. Rey Mysterio Jr. is not trademarked.
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"Rey Misterio" is trademaked by Rey Sr. in Mexico.
"Rey Mysterio" is trademarked in various fashions by WWE, though most of them expire on 12/17/2014
"Rey Misterio Jr." and "Rey Misterio Jr." are untrademarked.
There's sometimes some art work for a mask design or logo includes in the trademark application - CMLL does that a lot. I didn't see anything for Rey. As long as they call him by the "i" name, WWE doesn't have anything and they probably wouldn't fight it to begin with.
Rey couldn't do a mask vs mask match because he's already lost the mask. Fans would reject it, the guy beating him would get nothing out of it and the fans would be upset they don't get the real masked Rey Misterio Jr. Rey can make so much money just showing up that doing a major stip match as an end wouldn't be worth his time.
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Rey's definitely coming to AAA whenever he gets out of his WWE contract. The rumor going around was he'd show up even as soon Sunday at TripleMania (with the idea that he was contesting the roll over clause by not cashing his checks and considered himself out of contract). AAA shot down that idea today, specifically saying they're respecting WWE's contract with Rey. This just means they're probably waiting until 2015.
If Rey's too broken down to wrestle and can only wave and be a figurehead, they can take that. It's not as though the demands to actually wrestle are that great for legendary guys in Mexico tho'.
It definitely seems like he'd better off with a long term WWE relationship to keep cashing those checks and being treated as a legend, but the guy moved a lot of merchandise while he's been there. He must have a decent amount saved up if he's already chasing the WWE checks. The difference in money may not be as important to him as where he wants to work.
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iPPV, converntional PPV and tickets list the show as starting at 6pm Central. AAA usually is forced to actually start on time (and not go long) when they're on PPV, but there may be a preshow.
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Might want to lose the reverse superplex if he goes to Mexico though because I can see somebody ending up in a wheelchair from taking it wrong....
ADR borrowed that from Ultimo Guerrero, who's used it for years without yet killing anyone - he couldn't use it CMLL but there's a lot stupider things done in AAA all the time.
"We have a great new star who's going to draw the Latino fans you're looking for" couldn't hurt if you're desperately looking for someone to pick you up. It's probably not a difference maker but TNA needs as many lottery tickets as they can get at the moment.
Lucha Underground Discussion
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I think this is probably about having a familiar face for WWE (English) language announcing. Vampiro's there because he speaks English, people might remember him from WCW, and he might know something about lucha in that order. As much as they have Striker do "we're not WWE!" bits, they want hispanic-ish talent familiar to people who watch WWE. Hugo wasn't on WWE TV enough.
If Pete or anyone else is watching the repeat on Saturday morning on El Rey, it looks like it moves to 6:30pm Sunday starting next week.