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    [NOV 2016] WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

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    17 hours ago, The Nature Boy said:

    Billy Gunn is the epitome of a tag team wrestler. He works a high impact offense in short spurts and can look good doing that. Asking him to carry a match is a bit much though. 

    There's nothing wrong with being a solid tag team guy, there's a reason that Ricky Morton was never a top tier singles guy, some guys are role players. 

    Are there role players anymore besides Ellsworth? Seems like everyone being a star makes no one a star and the one guy who isn't becomes one because he's the only guy who's different.

    [NOV 2016] WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

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    40 minutes ago, caley said:

    Yeah, you have to wade through some crap to get there.  But the highpoints outweight the lows.  And if they don't for you, for the love of God, it's 2016, watch something else!

    This is so fundamentally wrong in 2016 it's laughable. The viewer can go online and watch those 3 minutes that "matter" without having to sit through all the other crap. That's the problem with booking for moments and not developing stories people can invest in. Moments don't last and rarely do they matter. I don't know how long it's been, but we're still talking about Shakespeare, Grimm Brothers, and countless other great stories written ages ago.

    Wrestling was way better when they were stealing from Shakespeare opposed to whatever Russo injected into it.

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    [NOV 2016] WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

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    1 hour ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:

    I could be way off base, but part of what I think what keeps so many coming back, especially anyone around my age range (25-35) is the unspoken promise that every decade or so there's bound to be one of those big time cathartic WM wins-- Austin at XIV, Benoit at XX (obviously tainted now) or Bryan at XXX for example. 

    Not worth it...and look what happened to all three guys. Wrestling is a shitty profession.

    Getting a meaningless emotional pop once every ten years isn't worth thousands of abusive hours in my world. Christ we used to get two or three of those every few months. 

    Now get off my lawn!

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    [NOV 2016] WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

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    1 hour ago, JohnnyJ said:

    It's for the same reason I still watch current WWE despite getting almost no enjoyment out of it. I'm chasing the wrestling dragon. It might take weeks. It might even take years. But I  know deep down there's going to be a great moment or great payoff that is going to make all of this worth it. 

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

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    [NOV 2016] WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

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    Wrestling fans look back on wrestling's past from today's perspective with an appreciation for the good and a...I'm not sure the right words, maybe sick pleasure, in some of the worst stuff ala end run WCW, do y'all think this trend will persist into the future? Will something similar happen with MMA or did it surpass that possibility due to age in which it was created and the instant access to most if not all information regarding the event thanks to the internet?

    [NOV 2016] WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

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    17 hours ago, caley said:

    Guys lose their spot all the time in every industry for reasons beyond hard work or dedication.  I mean, look at the show NewsRadio  two actors from the pilot were dumped for other actors and the show went on for 5 seasons.  So Greg Lee and Ella Joyce lost out on 5 years worth of paycheques and some celebrity as well as residuals from reruns (A&E re-ran that show two episodes a day for YEARS) for reasons as capricious as liking one actor more than another or connecting with audiences differently.

    People being upset about the Ellsworth deal baffle me.  By all accounts he seems like a nice guy who toiled for years and got a break out of the blue.  To say that it's because he looks goofy does a disservice to the man who plays the character.  He's playing the character really well: not as a goofball but as a guy who knows he's outmatched but still has a belief in himself, not to mention he's got really solid timing, comedic and wrestling-wise (Seriously, he nails that superkick on Styles in their match perfectly to pop the crowd.  If he had whiffed on it, been slightly later or earlier, it would have flopped.).  This isn't like a guy walking in off the street, or a movie star getting a prime role, Ellsworth has been wrestling for 14 years, which means Samoa Joe only has 3 years on him.

     
     

    I think you're missing the larger picture. Ellesworth gets a contract because of 100% completely random chance of being right place, right time, right person amused by him. Those two actors didn't happen to just both be there on a Tuesday when the network execs walked by and said, that guy looks funny, put him on the show.

    I'm not upset or begrudging of the man's sudden rise. My point was that pure luck and circumstance is why he got a job really. It wasn't his years of experience and hard work that got him a contract, it was just dumb luck. You can't work hard on that.

     

    Elsewhere in the wrestling bubble.....

    So the part-timer who beat the Undertaker lost to a guy who isn't going to around much if at all anymore. Anyone else remember when the booking was used to get people over and make stars?

    Edit: Apparently goldie is sticking around

    [NOV 2016] WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

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    15 minutes ago, mattdangerously said:

    I know DTTW was speaking from a kayfabe perspective, but I've seen the whole "Ellsworth is taking a spot away from more deserving workers," and I think it's ridiculous.  Ellsworth isn't taking anyone's spot away.  They just happened upon a guy they like and found a unique role for him.  It's not like Triple H had to sit down with Joe and say, "you know, we were going to call you up, but Vince fell in love with this chinless jabroni, and now you're stuck down here forever."

    It's more like...look at who this guy just jumped over. It's really something that only happens in wrestling. And really it should depress a lot of people. Hard work, dedication...nah just be a goofy guy at the right time to amuse the masters. 

    Maybe Ryder could get a push again if he starts dressing up like the gooker backstage every week.

    [NOV 2016] WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD

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    1 hour ago, CreativeControl said:

    I dunno about that, I always heard things got heated and Vader squared up to Orndorff and he knocked Vader out with one punch (while wearing flipflops, the most impressive/important part of the story)

    As a guy who sucks in his mma efforts....what's so Impressive about kicking ass in flipflops when I see dudes doing it barefoot constantly.

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