Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: Facts. Listen I'm not hating on anyone. Get that money. You're worth what people are willing to pay and she has a couple signings lined up. So she isn't over priced. But let's put some context in here. The Undertaker wants $10k for signings. In the 2000s Kevin Nash was $10k to book for a match. Braun Stroman's rate for non-CYN indy appearances is $10k. Sasha's rate is charging 3x more than Nash, The Undertaker, & Braun Stroman. I think this is a wrestling bubble thing more than anything else. She has mainstream fame because of Star Wars. You add that on top of the wrestling fame, and maybe that price makes more sense in the Comic Con scene or something? I'm not sure. But I can say for sure putting your wrestling rate at $30,000 is you saying you really don't want to take any bookings. Because that rate is like double the entire gate most of even the best indys make. The only people that could afford to book her are the tippy top indy's and money marks that purposely lose money on events. So AEW could afford that. Mayyybbeee GCW & MLW? Impact might be able to scrape together enough to use her once? But that's it. Knowing the ins and outs of the budgets for running indy events, that is crazy crazy crazy crazy money to ask. A lot of these Comic-Con signings, if I remember right, the talent gets paid up front and the convention recoups their costs by charging per autograph. It's why you don't go in and get autographs from wherever, you buy a ticket for each signing. So a convention's going to book Sasha for $30,000, then that convention's going to charge people $100 for a signing/photo op ticket. At that point you make money after 300 signings, and since most of those conventions have two or three signings in a weekend, they'll get their money back easily. An indie show isn't going to have that kind of turnaround. When I was announcing, one of the groups I worked for booked Ric Flair in 2008. (Hilariously, his asking price was $16,000.) Even at $75 tickets, they didn't make their money back. That said, I significantly doubt she's asking for $30,000 per date for wrestling bookings. To be honest, I'd be surprised if she was even taking wrestling bookings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFistsJustFlips Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Thanks. Looks like I had my wires crossed and thought that was the rate for wrestling bookings too. I can definitely wrap my head around that price for Comic Con signings with the ridiculous amount of revenue being brought in and the structure you guys laid out. I can see that making sense and both parties ending up making a lot of money out of it. But as Stefanie said, Ric Flair charged $16,000. How could Sasha charge double Ric Flair for a wrestling show ya know? That's where I was mixed up. Because almost no one could make money in that scenario from a promotion standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I don't know what she'll do wrestling wise. I think she definitely wants to continue wrestling but she also strikes me as someone who wants to do a lot of things whether it's something as big as acting roles or just personal, starting a make up/cosmetics line or doing something with autism (she helped raise her brother who is autistic). I could see her doing a dream match in Japan. I could see her wrestling a match with H.O.G. as she has a lot of connections there. I could see her signing with AEW. I could see her signing a part time deal to return to WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 7 hours ago, Ace said: I'll get me coat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: Thanks. Looks like I had my wires crossed and thought that was the rate for wrestling bookings too. I can definitely wrap my head around that price for Comic Con signings with the ridiculous amount of revenue being brought in and the structure you guys laid out. I can see that making sense and both parties ending up making a lot of money out of it. Yeah, plus I think when people see $30,000, they forget that conventions are multi-day affairs as well. Try booking a wrestler for two shows over a weekend and see that $10,000 for Kevin Nash or Braun Strowman whoever turn into $20,000, unless they feel like cutting you a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Turns out the long missing Bret/Magee match was…. aired on WWF TV in 1988, but only in Arabic. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobholly138 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 21 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said: I confused Norvell Austin and Steve Austin one time. Back what 2 decades ago when this forum had a Teddy Hart folder I got him confused with Gary Hart and wondering how old ass Gary was doing moonsaults. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Cobra Commander said: Turns out the long missing Bret/Magee match was…. aired on WWF TV in 1988, but only in Arabic. Good TV Match there... Bret controlled. Tom Magee got whatever stuff on offense he needed to. He showed off some moves for a guy w/ that stature. Can see why McMahon thought Magee could go places. But yeah.. most the Bret Hart show. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great ML Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 3 hours ago, bobholly138 said: Back what 2 decades ago when this forum had a Teddy Hart folder I got him confused with Gary Hart and wondering how old ass Gary was doing moonsaults. That’s why he kept calling the Gang “Moon.” Poor Gang didn’t know Mr Hart was calling for a finishing move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordi the former AEW fan Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Happy birthday to a heck of a wrestler, a great technician in the ring, and a jam up guy: Alexander Otsuka! He's one of the best ever to do it. Probably all-time top 20 for me,in terms of how much I enjoy his matches. Maybe celebrate by watching this: 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, bobholly138 said: Back what 2 decades ago when this forum had a Teddy Hart folder I got him confused with Gary Hart and wondering how old ass Gary was doing moonsaults. To be fair, given the weirdos he managed, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Gary Hart would've also had a cat army. Edited July 17, 2022 by cwoy2j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Gary Hart brings out the cast of Cats to get his revenge on the Von Erichs, leading to Kerry and Kevin facing Rum Tum Tugger and Bustopher Jones at the Cotton Bowl 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said: Gary Hart brings out the cast of Cats to get his revenge on the Von Erichs, leading to Kerry and Kevin facing Rum Tum Tugger and Bustopher Jones at the Cotton Bowl If you believe the rumors that are out there the idea of Kevin vs a cat takes an incredibly disturbing and awful turn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 I think most people had a long list of things that would ultimately end Michael Elgin career. Stealing protein powder in Japan was not one of them I bet. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt925 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, hammerva said: I think most people had a long list of things that would ultimately end Michael Elgin career. Stealing protein powder in Japan was not one of them I bet. Lol. He’ll just get banned from the country but what an idiot. The yen is super low vs the US dollar now as well, not sure how he’s paid I know he’s Canadian. But now is the time to buy in japan lol. I got curious about jail food in Japan so I googled and at least prison food looks very healthy and good quality. Do any of our Japan residing friends have info about that? Just curious about food all the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porksweats Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, hammerva said: I think most people had a long list of things that would ultimately end Michael Elgin career. Stealing protein powder in Japan was not one of them I bet. At the end of the day, I just hope it means he stays gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 7 hours ago, The Great ML said: That’s why he kept calling the Gang “Moon.” Poor Gang didn’t know Mr Hart was calling for a finishing move. I think it was posted here years ago but there's a Gary Hart promo where he explains him and the OMG used to be part of the same crew in Chicago. Moon was Gang's nickname. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Re: Sasha Another thing to consider is that she's a woman. A lot of dudes out there probably would pay >$300 for 2 minutes of her time, a handshake or a really uncomfortable (for her) hug and a picture. How much were her Cameos? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 There's some weirdly misogynistic undertones in discussing Sasha's worth/right to expect 30k for her time. She's worth as much as someone is prepared to pay her. By the sounds of things, promoters are prepared to pay it. Nor does it play into any attempt to spin some diva narrative about it either. The "just asking questions" route while choosing to avoid critically analysing whether the other men are worth the price tags mentioned is a bit of a red flag in that context for where this discussion is coming from. Beyond that, why does anyone care what she makes? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 5:48 AM, Elsalvajeloco said: I confused Norvell Austin and Steve Austin one time. I took forever to watch the ECW shows at my video store because I refused to take seriously a promotion that was headlined by Headshrinker Sabu 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordi the former AEW fan Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 6 hours ago, hammerva said: I think most people had a long list of things that would ultimately end Michael Elgin career. Stealing protein powder in Japan was not one of them I bet. Yeah, that explains why the staff in the drug store were following me around the health and supplements section. They assume all big bald Canadians are out to steal their protein powder now. At least Jeff Cobb got a laugh out of it. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 If the rumor of you hitting the convention circuit has turned into a multi-day discussion of the interest level and real/perceived value, I’m going to make the assumption that the interest level is pretty high. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Infinit said: How much were her Cameos? Pretty sure Sasha and Alexa had the largest fee before McMahon demanded a cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 I forgot about the Cameo thing. Vince is such a little turd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 4 hours ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said: There's some weirdly misogynistic undertones in discussing Sasha's worth/right to expect 30k for her time. She's worth as much as someone is prepared to pay her. By the sounds of things, promoters are prepared to pay it. Nor does it play into any attempt to spin some diva narrative about it either. The "just asking questions" route while choosing to avoid critically analysing whether the other men are worth the price tags mentioned is a bit of a red flag in that context for where this discussion is coming from. Beyond that, why does anyone care what she makes? I've been trying to limit how often I bring up misogyny because apparently I strike some raw nerves when I do so, but... yeah. Two notes about this: 1) $30,000 for conventions is actually fairly cheap, especially if you break it down to a per day cost of $10,000 or $15,000. Let me pluck a convention out of thin air: GalaxyCon books a lot of wrestlers for their conventions, and with a couple of exceptions, their pricing is pretty consistent no matter which wrestler. I'll just link to Hangman Page, but it doesn't matter because it's the same for any wrestler unless you're Sting (where it's higher because, well, it's Sting) or an indie wrestler (where you are basically setting up as a vendor piggybacking on the AEW wrestlers and legends there, not as a contracted talent brought in by the convention, and are charging your own rate). So $40 for an autograph, $40 for a table selfie, $60 for a combo of the autograph and table selfie, or $60 for the professional photo op. And that's for a run of the mill wrestler. (For those curious, Sting is $60 for an autograph and $70 for the photo op, no table selfies.) Sasha isn't going to be charging those rates because Sasha falls within a unique category, because she will be able to draw wrestling fans and Star Wars obsessives due to her appearance on the Mandalorian (however big or small the role might have been). Who else is appearing at GalaxyCon Raleigh? Katee Sackhoff, who was in the Mandalorian with Sasha. Note her autograph pricing. $120 for an autograph on Star Wars items. $80 for an autograph on non-Star Wars items, or an 8x10. $80 for a table selfie. $100 for a professional photo op. Her prices are going to be higher than Sasha's, but those Mandalorian appearances put Sasha in a unique category and conventions will likely put her close to this tier. Sasha's a double draw for these conventions thanks to that Star Wars connection, so I dare say $30,000 is underpaid. 2) Let's also analyze if the men charging high price tags are worth it on indie wrestling shows. Short answer: no. Remember how I said Ric Flair charged $16,000? Do you also remember how I said the promoter didn't make their money back? You also have to accept the upcharge on security and venue costs to accommodate the higher than usual amount of fans. Flair got paid, as did the other names brought in (Ricky Morton, Bobby Eaton, the Barbarian), but local talent got nothing. And what did the local promotion get from it? A one night bump in attendance, then right back to square one for the next show, which didn't happen for four months because the promotion lost too much money to run again until then. That promotion was averaging 100-150 for their shows before Flair, and it averaged 100-150 after Flair. All to get a five minute rambling Flair promo where he called the promotion by the wrong name. I worked on indies for close to a decade, and I don't think I ever saw an instance where bringing in a name of that magnitude helped long-term attendance. It was great for a short-term bump but it never really did anything to maintain the audience because the elevated costs just ended up torpedoing later shows. Maybe that's just poor cost management by the promoters I worked for, but really, when you book a name, you draw in people to come see that name. Once that name is gone, you'd better hope you've hooked the people who came to see that name, and 99% of the time that just doesn't happen. Way too much risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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