Just Dave Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Thought it was pretty interesting today how Meltzer said there's "almost zero" backstage support for Sasha and Naomi. Said the word he kept hearing over and over again was "mark." She comes off as a mark for herself of the highest order, and I think that's why I dislike her so much. She's not nearly as important to that company's success as she thinks she is... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 LOL, that company is a company full of marks for themselves, not that I put much stock in anything Meltzer or Alvarez have to say. But even if it is true, those pots can absolutely meet the kettle. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 New Botchamania is out and they caught Taz saying out of the blue on Dark "In a side note unrelated to this match, I'm thinking about buying a submarine." 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Everybody is job scared, sucks up to the higher-ups, and desperately blasts anyone who dares to question their position or use and knows their own value? All those moves Nick Khan has made so WWE works just like any other American corporation? It worked. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 And yet the corporation settles whenever their dirty laundry might be exposed. That tracks. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Thanks for all the clarifications. As usual, it comes down to who can afford to pay their lawyers the longest. I know that the 90 day clause is just for WWE, but I was wondering that since most contracts renew monthly, if the workers could take advantage of that cut clause. Anybody could sit home for the length of their contract, but if another fed was bold enough to use them before then (after the 90 days?) if the WWE would leap into petty action mode and if they had a real case. It is clearer to me now why no one would want to take that chance. I can see why Del Rio and Lesnar may have had some leverage, but what about Storm? I can only think of unfounded conspiratorial reasons... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLowe Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said: New Botchamania is out and they caught Taz saying out of the blue on Dark "In a side note unrelated to this match, I'm thinking about buying a submarine." That whole Dark episode was Taz and Excalibur talking about everything but the matches. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: New Botchamania is out and they caught Taz saying out of the blue on Dark "In a side note unrelated to this match, I'm thinking about buying a submarine." Did you miss DEAN drawing a helicopter after that one? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) Plenty of other non pro-wrestling business have non-competes. For WWE non-competes lawsuits, they get you under lawsuits when they suggest contract tampering even during those 90 days and other ways like breaching. You are still under WWE employment for those 90 days when you get released, your real release is after those 90 days, WWE non-competes are really notice periods. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1091907/000109190713000015/exhibit1017bookingagreement.htm "11. EARLY TERMINATION "11.1 (a) This Agreement may be terminated by PROMOTER during the Term for any or no reason whatsoever by providing WRESTLER at least ninety (90) advance written notice of said termination. The ninetieth (90th) day shall be defined as the “Termination Date”. Chelsea Green asked Johnny Ace to let her out of her non-compete early (Ace contacted the WWE laywers), so he did let Chelsea Green get out of her non-compete 1 week early so she could show up at ROH. But she didn't get her money in the last week. Edited May 19, 2022 by Blue Dragon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFistsJustFlips Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, thee Reverend Axl Future said: I know that the 90 day clause is just for WWE, but I was wondering that since most contracts renew monthly, if the workers could take advantage of that cut clause. Anybody could sit home for the length of their contract, but if another fed was bold enough to use them before then (after the 90 days?) if the WWE would leap into petty action mode and if they had a real case. It is clearer to me now why no one would want to take that chance. I can see why Del Rio and Lesnar may have had some leverage, but what about Storm? I can only think of unfounded conspiratorial reasons... I think there's a misunderstanding in the bold part. They are for longer durations, usually 3 years or 5 years. No one is on a monthly contract. Now some did used to have rollover clauses but they weren't month to month. It's like if the agreement expires without the talent giving verbal notice they are leaving when the contract ends, it rolls over for another term. Meaning a 3 year auto renews another three year contract. But that is more of the old way they did things in the early 90s. Bret forgot to give notice in 1992 that he was going to leave. So when he was wanting to go to WCW it had auto renewed for another three years and he couldn't go. Toni negotiated a full release somehow. Some people the office just likes and will allow them to leave like her & Andrade. Some people the office want to be punitive with like Brodie Lee & Pac. So they stay in purgatory until WWE feel like they taught them a lesson. If they showed up somewhere after 90 days it's irrelevant. As BD posed above, the verbiage in the contracts states the promoter can terminate with 90 day notice. The performers can not. I believe the crux of the Lesnar suit was a bit different. He had a 10 year no compete that they were also enforcing on MMA. And wanted it enforced world wide. If memory serves me the court ruled that the no compete would stay in tact in the US, but Lesnar was free to wrestle outside of North America. Eventually they made a settlement after two years where Lesnar was let out of that 10 year no compete. And that's when he went to UFC. Edited May 18, 2022 by NoFistsJustFlips typos everywhere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 44 minutes ago, Matt D said: Did you miss DEAN drawing a helicopter after that one? Not even DEAN comix could get me to watch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 4 hours ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said: LOL, that company is a company full of marks for themselves, not that I put much stock in anything Meltzer or Alvarez have to say. But even if it is true, those pots can absolutely meet the kettle. "Mark for yourself" has always been kinda dumb. When you develop a character in the biz, that character is your money making potential. You need to protect it. Hogan, HBK, Austin, Cena, they're all who they are from being marks for themselves. Hell, Roddy Piper was such a mark for himself he wouldn't even job to Hogan. Or even like Scott Hall calling Bret Hart a mark for himself for having his house filled with memorabilia. If you went to Jimmy Page's house and his walls were covered in guitars, gold records, and Led Zep swag, would you think, "Man, this Jimmy Page really is a mark for himself"... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 4 hours ago, just drew said: Thought it was pretty interesting today how Meltzer said there's "almost zero" backstage support for Sasha and Naomi. Said the word he kept hearing over and over again was "mark." She comes off as a mark for herself of the highest order, and I think that's why I dislike her so much. She's not nearly as important to that company's success as she thinks she is... Sapp had a completely different report and he has more sources inside WWE now than Meltzer does. In the article he stated that there were performers supportive of Sasha and Naomi and some said that it was "about time someone took a stand". But there were others who weren't supportive so it's a mix as I'd imagine. I am sure all of their friends New Day, Usos, Bayley, Natalya, etc are very supportive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 The people Meltzer spoke to don't support Sasha & Naomi, since he was explicitly talking about the people HE spoke to. People online are generalizing the entire thing (big surprise) and acting like he meant the entire locker room. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 I saw the 5-year old's version of a helicopter (sorry Dean haha) but guess I didnt read close enough to see what it was in reference to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: I saw the 5-year old's version of a helicopter (sorry Dean haha) but guess I didnt read close enough to see what it was in reference to. As long as it was not a drawing of Flair’s helicopter (and I don’t mean the 1985 Bash entrance). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 I cannot argue because my memory is so terrible (even moreso lately, aarghh) but I remember reading a discussion of the WWE contracts, and unless you have (aka are allowed to have) a really savvy lawyer read it AND have the juice to demand it, most WWE contracts are able to be terminated by them at any point before your 1/3/5 year renewal phase. Another way they get ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Dave Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Sapp had a completely different report and he has more sources inside WWE now than Meltzer does. In the article he stated that there were performers supportive of Sasha and Naomi and some said that it was "about time someone took a stand". But there were others who weren't supportive so it's a mix as I'd imagine. I am sure all of their friends New Day, Usos, Bayley, Natalya, etc are very supportive. “Everything Sasha does is ok because she’s the one doing it…” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, just drew said: “Everything Sasha does is ok because she’s the one doing it…” Go read Sapp's report yourself. Not hard to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, HumanChessgame said: Given this was how their match at TLC ended I'd assume they still have mutual respect for eachother. TLC 2017. An upgrade from: Same show, Kurt Angle had his first WWE match in 11 years joining the Shield. Roman Reigns and Bray Wyatt were pulled from the card through viral infection. Edited May 19, 2022 by The Natural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Meanie Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 hour ago, The Natural said: Roman Reigns and Bray Wyatt were pulled from the card through viral infection. Remember the days of elevated enzymes? 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Dad Angle in the Shield and Braun tossed into a garbage truck, great stuff. I still wish I could glimpse the reality with Pumpkin Balor vs Sister Abigail. Anyone ever ask Bray what that was supposed to look like? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 16 minutes ago, Spontaneous said: Dad Angle in the Shield and Braun tossed into a garbage truck, great stuff. I still wish I could glimpse the reality with Pumpkin Balor vs Sister Abigail. Anyone ever ask Bray what that was supposed to look like? I'm guessing The Bride in Black from Insidious? No idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 He look like Gwildor from the MOTU movie with some shit on his face... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 I was hoping it would be like the woman behind the dumpster from Mulholland Drive. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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