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7 minutes ago, Craig H said:

Is this the dickhead who was perma banned from AEW events for his anti-trans signs during the Nyla Rose match?

I think it's the "Pro Science Pro Choice Pro Wrestling" sign guy from a couple weeks ago.

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Dolfan in NYC

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2 hours ago, John from Cincinnati said:

Jessie and Cassie both announced today that they're done with Impact. 

And it sounds like they're done with pro wrestling in general.

 

 

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Casey

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2 hours ago, Craig H said:

Well, that sucks. Hopefully they found something more lucrative to do. I'll miss their comedy act.

They make $20-50k per month from the BrandArmy website, supposedly.

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BobbyWhioux

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I'm behind on their podcast, but this isn't entirely surprising in light of how much they discussed expanding their repertoire and exploring other interests from the beginning.

I am, of course, gutted they're hanging it up, but pleased they're going out at close to the top of their game instead of barely hanging on out of necessity.
 

[And this is wrestling after all, virtually no one stays retired Forever-forever.  Fingers can remain crossed for one last one-off someday]

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11 hours ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

And the Bret story in 1997 is one of the best of all time. The heel in The US and baby everywhere else promos and backstage segments are some of the best in the history of the business. And with that I will point out Austin was still doing Austin shit in 1997 far before the screwjob.

 

I want to touch on this briefly because... this is one of those internet wrestling takes that is so removed from how I experienced its reception in real life at the time that I legitimately have no feel for if I'm crazy or others are. I just started college around this time, wrestling was generally pretty hot thanks to the NWO and... the thought that Stone Cold was cool but the US vs Canada feud was lame was if not universal then very widespread. You know how people here feel about WWE now? The only time I've seen wrestling fans like that towards WWF before was this very time, I know Mr. ratings guy there is making some iffy arguments but I think there is a real divide between how some people look back at this period (which legit did have the beginnings of one of the greatest wrestling characters and draws of all time in Austin) and the fact that at the time most everyone else thought that it was by far the weaker big angle of the two.

 

Not taking a shot at you or anything, you were just the most recent person to make a point like this and who knows, maybe I legit was at a very odd college but I think it was as much Austin getting away from the US/Canada thing and into a much better one as to why he took off then. That said the Bret feud is the first one to make him seem like a legit guy in WWF and one can't ignore that.

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9 hours ago, username said:

 

I want to touch on this briefly because... this is one of those internet wrestling takes that is so removed from how I experienced its reception in real life at the time that I legitimately have no feel for if I'm crazy or others are. I just started college around this time, wrestling was generally pretty hot thanks to the NWO and... the thought that Stone Cold was cool but the US vs Canada feud was lame was if not universal then very widespread. You know how people here feel about WWE now? The only time I've seen wrestling fans like that towards WWF before was this very time, I know Mr. ratings guy there is making some iffy arguments but I think there is a real divide between how some people look back at this period (which legit did have the beginnings of one of the greatest wrestling characters and draws of all time in Austin) and the fact that at the time most everyone else thought that it was by far the weaker big angle of the two.

I think the US vs. Canada feud holds up really well which is why it is talked about in such high esteem. Anecdotally, it was friends ordering Starrcade 97 that brought back my wrestling fandom. I had long stopped following wrestling up until that point and I don't think I even knew the screwjob happened until around the time Wrestling with Shadows was coming out. 

I think in retrospect it is very easy to simplify Stone Colds rise and the wrestling boom.  Yes the screw job and the rise of Mr. McMahon were factors, but so were a bunch of random things. It was the NWO that made wrestling cool again. It was the WCW/NWO World Tour game being fun. It was Tyson bringing publicity. It was Celebrity Deathmatch plastering wrestling and Stone Cold all over the coolest tv channel. 

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10 hours ago, username said:

 

I want to touch on this briefly because... this is one of those internet wrestling takes that is so removed from how I experienced its reception in real life at the time that I legitimately have no feel for if I'm crazy or others are. I just started college around this time, wrestling was generally pretty hot thanks to the NWO and... the thought that Stone Cold was cool but the US vs Canada feud was lame was if not universal then very widespread. You know how people here feel about WWE now? The only time I've seen wrestling fans like that towards WWF before was this very time, I know Mr. ratings guy there is making some iffy arguments but I think there is a real divide between how some people look back at this period (which legit did have the beginnings of one of the greatest wrestling characters and draws of all time in Austin) and the fact that at the time most everyone else thought that it was by far the weaker big angle of the two.

 

Not taking a shot at you or anything, you were just the most recent person to make a point like this and who knows, maybe I legit was at a very odd college but I think it was as much Austin getting away from the US/Canada thing and into a much better one as to why he took off then. That said the Bret feud is the first one to make him seem like a legit guy in WWF and one can't ignore that.

No worries, I don't take it as a shot at all lol.

It was definitely not as good as what WCW was doing at the time. But dude it was fucking worlds better than the warmed over shit WWE had been doing. The land of garbage men and plumbers and whatever the fuck a Portuguese Man of War was supposed to be. One week Bret tearing apart the United States in promos and getting booed out of the building then the next week they'd be in Canada or Europe and he'd be the  biggest star in the world. It was so cutting edge and soooooo much better than what the main event scene had been doing.

The boyhood dream Shawn Michaels shit. Bulldog's wife fake sexual assault thing. Cowboy Shawn beating Sid. Sid vs Undertaker as a panic backup plan when Shawn didn't want to job and forgot how to smile. The US vs Canada angle was soooo much better than all of this. Plus it lead to killlerrrrr matches like the Canadian Stampede ten man tags. I get that sometimes stuff just doesn't click with certain people for whatever reason. But I think you had the minority view on that at the time. Austin was in and out of the story doing cool Austin shit. The Bret / Shawn promos & Sunny Days. The only part of the angle I will concede is The Patriot getting shoe horned into it. That didn't fit the aesthetic of what WWE was becoming at all. But that was a short period of an 8 month run of legitimate great stuff.

It kind of blows my mind people could find this story lame and cringe but not the stuff WWE was doing in 1995 & 1996. Really? lol

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16 hours ago, Craig H said:

Well, that sucks. Hopefully they found something more lucrative to do. I'll miss their comedy act.

Yea I will miss them too. I enjoyed their foolishness with the Influence. As Tenille's long time friends, I know they were all having a ball. At least they are leaving on their own terms and the door is always open. 

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Zakk_Sabbath

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3 hours ago, Technico Support said:

What a show to come back for.  And you stayed a fan after that show?  Damn.

 

1 hour ago, The Natural said:

Still pisses me off. Fuck Eric Bischoff/Hulk Hogan for that.

I just finally read NITRO over last weekend, so all of this is really fresh in my brain. I was largely aware of everything written in the book (with a few exceptions) but man, reading it all compiled together in such a way is a massive exercise in frustration. Highly recommend.

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Technico Support

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6 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:

 

I just finally read NITRO over last weekend, so all of this is really fresh in my brain. I was largely aware of everything written in the book (with a few exceptions) but man, reading it all compiled together in such a way is a massive exercise in frustration. Highly recommend.

That's definitely on my list.  Is it out of print or something?  It's $30 on Amazon, which is kinda high.

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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:

That's definitely on my list.  Is it out of print or something?  It's $30 on Amazon, which is kinda high.

No idea, but I can tell you that immediately after ordering it I found out on Twitter that there's an expanded edition coming, so if you havent read it yet I might hold out for that

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