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8 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

 

That's actually a very good question. I have a longer answer but with a slight caveat: some commissions still don't regulate (pro) MMA and also the UFC goes in accordance with the unified rules so technically they don't run it themselves. So basically, it all depends on the jurisdiction and their level of resources. About 10-15 years ago, their procedure was basically take Marc Ratner everywhere that didn't have a standing commission and have him be their one man gang in terms of regulation and also bring a crew of the best (or at least the most experienced) judges and referees from either one or more U.S. jurisdictions. It still kinda goes like that but there are less and less places that don't regulate MMA. Also, bringing a crew of outside officials is a holdover from boxing. Boxing promotions for decades have even done that even for places that do regulate the sport. This gets to the heart of your question. The biggest boxing promoters don't have the local yokels with very little experience doing the biggest fights. Same goes for UFC no matter where they go. You're never going to have a conflict of interest when it comes to judging. The assigned referee may be a little different because you do have to consider the referee being able to interact with non English speakers. However, very few times will you see that affect an outcome on the biggest level. So when the UFC do go abroad, the judging and referee assignments for the main event and co-main event or the top 3-4 main card bouts won't look too different from anywhere else.

Thank you so much for the answer! That was exactly what I was looking for.

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Meltzer:

Very said to report on the death of Anthony "Rumble" Johnson at the age of 38. Johnson was known for having amazing punching power. He really had the talent and power to be world champion, but when he was younger he was killing himself cutting from 210 to 170 and he was actually more successful at light heavyweight, but while a very good wrestler, wasn't able to stop Daniel Cormier on the ground when he got his light heavyweight title shot. Johnson had been seriously ill since September 2021 and while he had some good news back in May, he had taken a turn for the worst last month. Johnson had his issues outside the ring, including arrests. He had quit fighting after losing to Cormier in 2017, and then came back in Bellator for their light heavyweight Grand Prix. He was to face Vadim Nemkov last year for the Bellator light heavyweight title when he was diagnosed with a very serious illness and had been battling it ever since.

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Sounds like Glover got shafted too. Asking to push the fight back a month to fight Ankalaev (which makes sense as he would need more than two weeks to prepare for him), then asking to fight Jan at 282 (sensible since they’d already fought, and Glover was #1 contender), only to have Dana reject it. 

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6 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

According to Okamoto, Jiri may be out upwards of a year. That sucks.

 

5 hours ago, twiztor said:

wow. huge news. sucks for Jiri.

 

5 hours ago, DreamBroken said:

fuuuuuuuck. Waited years of picking Jiri to be champ to finally see it happen in an epic fight and now it ends in the worst way, that quickly. 

 

4 hours ago, LF2 said:

Sounds like Glover got shafted too. Asking to push the fight back a month to fight Ankalaev (which makes sense as he would need more than two weeks to prepare for him), then asking to fight Jan at 282 (sensible since they’d already fought, and Glover was #1 contender), only to have Dana reject it. 

Well that really fucking sucks. Fuckity fuck.

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When I read how long Jiri Prochazka will be out for, I thought ACL/Meniscus or neck injury. Dana White:

"This is the worst shoulder injury the doctors have seen in UFC history," UFC president Dana White told Yahoo Sports. "His shoulder is very, very bad. He's going to have serious surgery that will require extensive rehab."

According to ESPN, the recovery could take up to a year.

Fuck.

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5 hours ago, DreamBroken said:

fuuuuuuuck. Waited years of picking Jiri to be champ to finally see it happen in an epic fight and now it ends in the worst way, that quickly. 

man, you're not the only one. Rizin is one of the very few non-UFC promotions i follow, and when Jiri signed with UFC i was celebrating but apprehensive. i think i posted in this forum something along the lines of "i can't remember a time i wanted a challenger to win the title so badly" when he faced Glover last summer. i love this dude, and it breaks my heart to see his reign end like this.

4 hours ago, LF2 said:

Sounds like Glover got shafted too. Asking to push the fight back a month to fight Ankalaev (which makes sense as he would need more than two weeks to prepare for him), then asking to fight Jan at 282 (sensible since they’d already fought, and Glover was #1 contender), only to have Dana reject it. 

very true, but frustratingly understandable. The PPV is in a just 3 weeks, and they need a headliner. If Glover can't make that happen (regardless of how rational the reasons may be), then you gotta move forward with someone else. seriously, look at that card. there's no replacement main event anywhere already announced. it's now or nothing.

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9 minutes ago, The Natural said:

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is this the classiest pull-out ever? 

he knows he has an injury that will keep him out of action for an extended period of time. rumored to be minimum 6 months, but 1 year is thrown around pretty liberally already. So he vacated the belt even though that's definitely not something the vast majority of champions would do. 

here's a quick reference list of champions who went 1 full year without defending:

HW:
Antonio Nogueira (2001-2003) **PRIDE**
Fedor Emelianenko (2003-2004) and (2005-2006) **PRIDE**
Alistair Overeem (2007-2010)  **Strikeforce** 
Cain Velasquez (2010-2011) and (2013-2014)
Stipe Miocic (2019-2020)  **technically 364 days but i'm counting it anyway**
Francis Ngannou (2022-current)

LHW:
Wanderlei Silva (2002-2004) and (2004-2005)  **PRIDE MW title**
Bobby Southworth (2006-2008)  **SF title**
Daniel Cormier (2015-2017) **weird Jon Jones instances were involved here**

MW:
Dan Henderson (2005-2008)  **PRIDE WW Title** 
Cung Le (2008-2009)  **SF title**
Michael Bisping (2016-2017)
Robert Whittaker (2017-2019)

WW:
Matt Hughes (2005-2006)
GSP (2011-2012)

LW:
Takanori Gomi (2005-2006)  **Pride title**
Gilbert Melendez (2006-2008)  *SF title**
Josh Thomson (2008-2009)  **SF title**
BJ Penn (2008-2009)
Anthony Pettis (2013-2014)
Conor McGregor (2016-2017)
Khabib (2019-2020)

FW: 
Jose Aldo (2012-2013) and (2014-2015)
Conor McGregor (2015-2016) **technically 364 days/just under a year, but come on....**
Max Holoway (2017-2018)
Alexander Volkanovski (2019-2020)

BW:
Dominick Cruz (2011-2014)
Aljamain Sterling (2021-2022)

FLW:
Henry Cejudo (2019-2020)

 

Women's FW:
Cris Cyborg (2010-2011)  **SF title**  and (2013-2015) and (2016-2017)  **Invicta**
Pam Sorenson (2019-2021)  **Invicta**
Amanda Nunes (2018-2020) and also (2021-current)

Women's BW:
Sarah Kaufmann (2018-2019)  **Invicta**
Amanda Nune (2018-2019) and (2019-2021)

Women's FLW:
Barb Honchak (2014-2016)  **Invicta**
Jennifer Maia (2016-2017)  **Invicta**
Vanessa Porto (2019-2020)  **Invicta**

Women's SW:
Rose Namajunas (2018-2019)
Zhang Weili (2020-2021)

Women's AW:
Michelle Waterson (2013-2014)  **Invicta**
Jinh Yu Frey (2018-2020)  **Invicta**

 

i have to admit, this list was way longer than i expected it to be. and i intended to keep it pretty loose if there were extenuating circumstances, but ultimately decided to go fully based on dates. also surprised that every single weight class had at least one champion that was out for a year. Yes, i'm aware that some of that was completely on the UFC for not moving on faster, but the point stands. Also, i'm aware of the way that both Pride and SF operated, but i thought they added an interesting comparison.

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1 hour ago, twiztor said:

is this the classiest pull-out ever? 

he knows he has an injury that will keep him out of action for an extended period of time. rumored to be minimum 6 months, but 1 year is thrown around pretty liberally already. So he vacated the belt even though that's definitely not something the vast majority of champions would do. 

here's a quick reference list of champions who went 1 full year without defending:

HW:
Antonio Nogueira (2001-2003) **PRIDE**
Fedor Emelianenko (2003-2004) and (2005-2006) **PRIDE**
Alistair Overeem (2007-2010)  **Strikeforce** 
Cain Velasquez (2010-2011) and (2013-2014)
Stipe Miocic (2019-2020)  **technically 364 days but i'm counting it anyway**
Francis Ngannou (2022-current)

LHW:
Wanderlei Silva (2002-2004) and (2004-2005)  **PRIDE MW title**
Bobby Southworth (2006-2008)  **SF title**
Daniel Cormier (2015-2017) **weird Jon Jones instances were involved here**

MW:
Dan Henderson (2005-2008)  **PRIDE WW Title** 
Cung Le (2008-2009)  **SF title**
Michael Bisping (2016-2017)
Robert Whittaker (2017-2019)

WW:
Matt Hughes (2005-2006)
GSP (2011-2012)

LW:
Takanori Gomi (2005-2006)  **Pride title**
Gilbert Melendez (2006-2008)  *SF title**
Josh Thomson (2008-2009)  **SF title**
BJ Penn (2008-2009)
Anthony Pettis (2013-2014)
Conor McGregor (2016-2017)
Khabib (2019-2020)

FW: 
Jose Aldo (2012-2013) and (2014-2015)
Conor McGregor (2015-2016) **technically 364 days/just under a year, but come on....**
Max Holoway (2017-2018)
Alexander Volkanovski (2019-2020)

BW:
Dominick Cruz (2011-2014)
Aljamain Sterling (2021-2022)

FLW:
Henry Cejudo (2019-2020)

 

Women's FW:
Cris Cyborg (2010-2011)  **SF title**  and (2013-2015) and (2016-2017)  **Invicta**
Pam Sorenson (2019-2021)  **Invicta**
Amanda Nunes (2018-2020) and also (2021-current)

Women's BW:
Sarah Kaufmann (2018-2019)  **Invicta**
Amanda Nune (2018-2019) and (2019-2021)

Women's FLW:
Barb Honchak (2014-2016)  **Invicta**
Jennifer Maia (2016-2017)  **Invicta**
Vanessa Porto (2019-2020)  **Invicta**

Women's SW:
Rose Namajunas (2018-2019)
Zhang Weili (2020-2021)

Women's AW:
Michelle Waterson (2013-2014)  **Invicta**
Jinh Yu Frey (2018-2020)  **Invicta**

 

i have to admit, this list was way longer than i expected it to be. and i intended to keep it pretty loose if there were extenuating circumstances, but ultimately decided to go fully based on dates. also surprised that every single weight class had at least one champion that was out for a year. Yes, i'm aware that some of that was completely on the UFC for not moving on faster, but the point stands. Also, i'm aware of the way that both Pride and SF operated, but i thought they added an interesting comparison.

I'm trying to remember a shoulder injury taking someone out for a year like Jiri. ACL probably puts you out the most. Man, he's properly fucked it. Yes, classiest pull-out ever in answer to @twiztor's question.

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2 hours ago, The Natural said:

When I read how long Jiri Prochazka will be out for, I thought ACL/Meniscus or neck injury. Dana White:

"This is the worst shoulder injury the doctors have seen in UFC history," UFC president Dana White told Yahoo Sports. "His shoulder is very, very bad. He's going to have serious surgery that will require extensive rehab."

According to ESPN, the recovery could take up to a year.

Fuck.

29 years of the UFC so think of the ground that covers.

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My picks for 2022 Fight of the Year and Knockout of the Year:

2022 Fight of the Year: Jiří Procházka vs. Glover Teixeira, UFC 275. Only choice. One of the best fights of all time. Were I to do an updated top ten/twenty best MMA fights of all there, it would be way up there.

2022 Knockout of the Year: Kamaru Usman vs. Leon Edwards, UFC 278. Has to be this as Edwards was losing the fight vs. Usman, the UFC Welterweight Champion and P4P #1 a minute away from tying Anderson Silva on 16 for most consecutive wins in UFC history but Edwards puts Usman out cold. One of the most amazing moments in MMA history. Feel for Michael Chandler, any other year his front kick to Tony Ferguson putting Tony out cold for the first time ever at UFC 274 would win.

Do you agree?

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apropos of nothing, but today i realized that the UFC has finally succeeded in branding all of their secondary cards "Fight Night". a few years back, i paid attention and could tell you if a card was "UFC on FOX", "UFC on FS1", or "UFC on FuelTV". hell, going back a bit further and i was super excited for all of the "UFC on Versus" cards. But i was looking back and noticed there were three "UFC on ABC" cards. i remembered the first one, but the subsequent 2 didn't register as being anything other than 'this weekend's fight card'. Is there still an unofficial hierarchy of importance (back then it was PPV>Fox>FS1/2>Fuel)? how do the ABC cards rank in importance comparative to the ESPN cards?

 

Obviously, if you watch all of these cards live on cable you would still be paying attention so you know where to tune in, but since i stream and/or download them all after they take place, that doesn't apply to me.  Just a weird realization i had.

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