EVA Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Kids are way more likely to be watching YouTube or TikTok content than cable these days. Plenty of people have built followings off the YouTube stuff, especially if you count the vlogs. Fuego’s popularity was purely generated in the YT space. Much of the Acclaimed’s early buzz was built on Dark during the pandemic. Etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_K Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) What Wardlow push? Does someone want to pull up how many matches he's actually had on TV in the past 24 months? Anything being referred to here is literally sentiment accrued over the past 6-8 weeks. Wardlow spent 2 years as a fashion accessary who, as pointed out above, dropped falls in every legitimate match he had. The only vague rub he ever had was that tom-foolery angle w/ Jerich/Hager which absolutely bombed. And for very, very obvious reasons you could not drop Hobbs or a latin talent into that Wardlow role with MJF. They would be crucified. Really they should have looked to put Hobbs into the TV Title program at some point - but that is the Rhodes monopoly. Edited January 24, 2022 by A_K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, A_K said: What Wardlow push? Does someone want to pull up how many matches he's actually had on TV in the past 24 months? Ask and you shall receive. - 2/19/20: Cody over Wardlow (cage) - 4/22/20: Wardlow over Lee Johnson - 4/29/20: Wardlow over Musa - 6/24/20: Wardlow over Luchasaurus - 10/21/20: Wardlow over Jungle Boy (AEW World Title Eliminator Tournament) - 10/22/20 (airs 10/28/20): Hangman Page over Wardlow (AEW World Title Eliminator Tournament) - 1/6/21: Wardlow over Jake Hager - 5/5/21: The Pinnacle over Inner Circle (Blood and Guts) - 5/30/21: Inner Circle over The Pinnacle (Stadium Stampede) - 6/6/21: Jake Hager over Wardlow (MMA rules) - 7/7/21: Wardlow & FTR over Jake Hager, Santana, and Ortiz - 8/11/21: Chris Jericho over Wardlow - 11/10/21: Wardlow over Wheeler Yuta - 12/1/21: Wardlow over AC Adams - 12/15/21: Wardlow over Matt Sydal - 12/22/21: Wardlow over Shawn Dean - 12/29/21: Wardlow over Colin Delaney - 1/5/22: Wardlow over Antonio Zambrano - 1/12/22: CM Punk over Wardlow He was also in a TNT title top contender's battle royal (won by Jungle Boy) and the Dynamite Diamond battle royals in 2020 and 2021, where his purpose was to protect MJF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Cagematch getting a lot of traffic via DVDVR today. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 59 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: Why only the males? Because there's only three black females on their women's roster according to their website, if you count Brandi. But strictly singles wins on TV? Brandi Rhodes (0-1) Jade Cargill (12-0) Red Velvet (2-9) 1 minute ago, EVA said: Cagematch getting a lot of traffic via DVDVR today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Shouts out to Cagematch. What a wonderful resource to have. Wrestlingdata is another good one and has some different ways of looking at people's careers too. Thanks to Stefanie and everybody else looking up the data. I verified a few, including Scorpio's when I first saw that graphic because I couldn't believe it. Edited January 24, 2022 by Jiji 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I'm personally shocked that Brandi has only had one singles TV match since AEW has been on TNT, and later TBS. They definitely know to hide her in tag matches, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Honestly, to me, Scorpio is the only guy in that graphic whose singles record seems wildly disproportionate to his presentation/tenure in the company. Everybody else makes sense relative to being mostly tag guys, relatively new, rookies in a place where hierarchy matters, or struggling with injuries. But Scorpio is definitely a guy they’ve wanted people to accept as a legit singles contender at various times without actually doing the work on TV to make it stick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, Casey said: Because there's only three black females on their women's roster according to their website, if you count Brandi. But strictly singles wins on TV? Brandi Rhodes (0-1) Jade Cargill (12-0) Red Velvet (2-9) OK but Jade Cargill is undefeated and the TBS champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Also - why is Hook on a list of black wrestlers? I'm pretty sure neither of Taz's parents are black, and unless his wife is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, Jiji said: Thanks to Stefanie and everybody else looking up the data. I'm a data analyst at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFistsJustFlips Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Tarheel Moneghetti said: The Janela dustup is interesting. Janela claimed he knows someone in MLW who signed a three-year deal that only guaranteed him $14.000 for three years. I'm really curious why you would sign a deal that awful? If it's someone who has potential to get an AEW or WWE offer, sure that's an awful deal. If it's someone not on their radar $14k + whatever random indy paydays is... $14k more than you'd have without signing. While it does lock them in and potentially get them into a situation like Pillman Jr was in, I'll take $14k + X vs just X in a heartbeat. Or just the $14k. That's going to be significantly more money than just about any non-name makes in a year from indy wrestling. (85%-90% of working wrestlers out there not signed to deals). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elsalvajeloco Posted January 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, Casey said: Also - why is Hook on a list of black wrestlers? I'm pretty sure neither of Taz's parents are black, and unless his wife is... Orange is the new Black. 6 1 22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, L_W_P said: Hook is there as the comparison point. He has more wins than any black wrestler on the roster. I think HOOK is the wrong target though. He's a legit phenom in terms of charisma and booking. Every promotion in the world would run with this kid if they were smart. He doesn't have more wins than Jade Cargill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebreaker Chip Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I think people are mainly intending these points about the men's division because that's where the issue is, and there was an understanding that the women's division was more of a work in progress and they didn't have access to as many polished women wrestlers to start it out or grow it during the pandemic. Jade however is kind of a special-case nailed-on phenomenon that reminds me of the Ta-Nehisi Coates line on Obama becoming president where it just sort of raises the question "so it took someone that perfect for there to even be a chance, huh?" It's true that the off-the-peg-over main event male talent they were able to sign was mostly white, but if you don't have access to sign a ready-made main event black male talent maybe you should be making more effort to grow one? Like is there a reason Hobbs can't be on main TV a few times a month just to squash a guy, let him get some reps and see if he connects with the crowd? Also not really directly related to any of this but the second I saw that Khan tweet insulting Swole I thought "oh shit yeah he definitely signed off on the offensive Caster rap then threw him under the bus when it backfired didn't he" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Firebreaker Chip said: Also not really directly related to any of this but the second I saw that Khan tweet insulting Swole I thought "oh shit yeah he definitely signed off on the offensive Caster rap then threw him under the bus when it backfired didn't he" FWIW, I always assumed this is exactly how that one went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 10 hours ago, A_K said: What Wardlow push? Does someone want to pull up how many matches he's actually had on TV in the past 24 months? Anything being referred to here is literally sentiment accrued over the past 6-8 weeks. That's.......that's what a push is. He was cooled off and now they're warming him up. This "24 months" thing is like claiming 1997 Steve Austin wasn't getting a push because he wasn't doing shit as the Ringmaster a year and a half earlier. Maybe I'm missing your point because I don't get the logic of "he's not getting a push because before his push he wasn't getting a push." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebreaker Chip Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Shartnado said: FWIW, I always assumed this is exactly how that one went down. I guess it crossed everyone's mind as a possibility at the time, but that was the moment where it became a cast-iron certainty in my head 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Technico Support said: That's.......that's what a push is. He was cooled off and now they're warming him up. This "24 months" thing is like claiming 1997 Steve Austin wasn't getting a push because he wasn't doing shit as the Ringmaster a year and a half earlier. Maybe I'm missing your point because I don't get the logic of "he's not getting a push because before his push he wasn't getting a push." I don't even know if I'd agree that he was cooled off. He's always been fairly well protected, even in his losses. Cody had to jump off the top of the cage to beat him. Hager had to take him out of his element and into a ruleset he wasn't familiar with to beat him. Jericho had to hit him with a baseball bat to beat him. Aside from that, there's the loss to Hangman, which like... oh no, he lost to the guy who was always being groomed as an eventual World champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryArchieGus Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 12 hours ago, EVA said: Kids are way more likely to be watching YouTube or TikTok content than cable these days. Plenty of people have built followings off the YouTube stuff, especially if you count the vlogs. Fuego’s popularity was purely generated in the YT space. Much of the Acclaimed’s early buzz was built on Dark during the pandemic. Etc. Good examples. I appreciate AEW overall not burning thru matches, but I do sometimes wonder if some of the lower card wouldn't benefit greatly from more competitive one on ones (less local talent squashes), and tags, with their tier contemporaries. And for some of those matches to lead to a series of matches. Not to suggest they don't happen at all, Greene-Garcia from Dark was fantastic, and there are more examples. But they seem more rare than record puffing squashes - Jade in particular would have benefitted from a few bouts with vets rather than rooks. Now she's likely only going to be on TV, and with a lot of pressure to be suddenly better and more knowledgable. I'm also thinking of the talented lower tier (but not exactly ready for prime time) guys like Lee Moriarity and the many teams in that position. It seems to me that if Moriarity and Garcia matched up or even the case of that match with Greene and Garcia could help generate interest in their eventual TV match. Not unlike what they did with Sydal and Dante. More of that. I have never had any beefs with AEW's win-loss record system, but the sad tweeters looking for anything to complain about for some attention have really exposed the potential opportunity for lame but buzzy grumbling over it. I always wonder what these curmudgeons are doing in their own community, the real world, to help with diversity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Stefanie the Human said: I don't even know if I'd agree that he was cooled off. He's always been fairly well protected, even in his losses. Cody had to jump off the top of the cage to beat him. Hager had to take him out of his element and into a ruleset he wasn't familiar with to beat him. Jericho had to hit him with a baseball bat to beat him. Aside from that, there's the loss to Hangman, which like... oh no, he lost to the guy who was always being groomed as an eventual World champion. Agreed! I was just giving the OP the benefit of a doubt a little and by "cooled off" I probably meant just not getting a huge push. I should have said "keeping him under the heating lamp or on those hot dog rollers like at 7-11." AEW does a damn fine job of keeping those 1/4lb Big Bites ready to go. Edited January 24, 2022 by Technico Support 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krone Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Wardlow is like a better Brian Cage to me. He can pull off some nutty stuff that a guy his size shouldn't be able to do, but seems to have some personality and character inside of him as well. He really does feel like an AEW equivilent to 2002 Brock Lesnar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, Krone Meltzer said: Wardlow is like a better Brian Cage to me. He can pull off some nutty stuff that a guy his size shouldn't be able to do, but seems to have some personality and character inside of him as well. He really does feel like an AEW equivilent to 2002 Brock Lesnar. You know, if Cage is indeed on his way out, they could have him put Wardlow over soon after his actual turn happens, if they can still get Cage to show up for that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLowe Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, Shartnado said: You know, if Cage is indeed on his way out, they could have him put Wardlow over soon after his actual turn happens, if they can still get Cage to show up for that! Nah, they'll have him get squashed by Hook, who will also no sell his finisher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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