Technico Support Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 On 10/29/2021 at 12:43 PM, Tabe said: Gutierrez-Reed has released a statement. She says she was in total control of the guns at all times - but has no idea how live ammo showed up on the set or got in her guns. It's all the producers' fault though. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/rust-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-breaks-silence-153507790.html I mean it's not the fault of one person that members of the crew were using the real guns with live ammo for fun the night before. It might have been Gutierrez's responsibility to clear the guns that day, but everyone involved with allowing the crew to do target practice (AKA goof off with fucking GUNS) the day before needs to be charged as well. That shit is beyond the pale and blaming one person and leaking negative stories is some scapegoating bullshit. Fish rots from the head. If Gutierrez had that many red flags, who hired her and why? Look, I'm a manager at my company. If I hire an absolutely unqualified person with a history of fucking up, and that guy turns around and royally fucks something up here, I can't just wash my hands of it like, "aw man, that guy sucked! Glad we fired him amirite guys?" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) As responsible as she may be, hanging all of this around Gutierrez's neck does not really solve the systemic problem of television and movie sets being extremely dangerous places to work or that the people behind the scenes are overworked to an unhealthy degree with little in the way of compensation. Edited November 2, 2021 by J.T. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 "Systemic Failure" is the key term for just about everything in this world right now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Technico Support said: I mean it's not the fault of one person that members of the crew were using the real guns with live ammo for fun the night before. It might have been Gutierrez's responsibility to clear the guns that day, but everyone involved with allowing the crew to do target practice (AKA goof off with fucking GUNS) the day before needs to be charged as well. That shit is beyond the pale and blaming one person and leaking negative stories is some scapegoating bullshit. Fish rots from the head. If Gutierrez had that many red flags, who hired her and why? Look, I'm a manager at my company. If I hire an absolutely unqualified person with a history of fucking up, and that guy turns around and royally fucks something up here, I can't just wash my hands of it like, "aw man, that guy sucked! Glad we fired him amirite guys?" You are absolutely right about the people who hired her and kept her around being at fault. And the idiots who were using them for target practice. BUT...if she was in charge of the guns, and people could take them out for target practice, and live ammo could get into guns that were on set, and people weren't actually checking guns before using them...then she wasn't really in charge of the guns. She's getting scapegoated because she deserves it. She's just not the only one who deserves it. For example, the assistant director who announced "cold gun" without actually checking it. Or Alec Baldwin, who took possession of the gun and used it, without actually checking it. Both of those guys violated the accepted standards and practices for handling guns on sets. Edited November 2, 2021 by Tabe 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 The Rock said in an interview with Variety that he pledged to no use real firearms again on the sets of any of his future films Quote The actor and producer went on to say that going forward, he will only be using rubber guns on his sets and will make sure to enforce that rule with any studio he works with in the future. “I can’t speak for anyone else, but I can tell you, without an absence of clarity here, that any movie that we have moving forward with Seven Bucks Productions — any movie, any television show, or anything we do or produce — we won’t use real guns at all,” Johnson said. “We’re going to switch over to rubber guns, and we’re going to take care of it in post,” he said. “We’re not going to worry about the dollars; we won’t worry about what it costs.” 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 The family of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins has sued Alec Baldwin, all the producers, and basically everyone involved in the shooting. Among the allegations was that Baldwin refused to train on the gun that killed Hutchins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 On 2/15/2022 at 11:24 PM, Dolfan in NYC said: The family of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins has sued Alec Baldwin, all the producers, and basically everyone involved in the shooting. Among the allegations was that Baldwin refused to train on the gun that killed Hutchins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Bumping this because New Mexico prosecutors announced today that Alec Baldwin and set armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed will be charged involuntary manslaughter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Certain subsets of Twitter that would never ever mix on the regular are absolutely giddy about it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Before I forget, Alec Baldwin's charges were downgraded late last month. He is now charged with one count of involuntary manslaughter, but without any enhancements. He could face up to 18 months in prison if he is convicted on the 4th degree felony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Curt McGirt Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Good lord he needs to play Dracula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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