tbarrie Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/15/2021 at 12:48 PM, AxB said: Adam Cole was Vince's number one Wednesday Night Warrior. When NXT went on telly, the Undisputed Era was the top act there, and Adam Cole was the top guy in the group. By far the most charismatic guy in the group too. "Most charismatic guy in Undisputed Era" has to be the textbook definition of damning with faint praise. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Infinit said: William Regal's kid's name new is..... CHARLIE DEMPSEY WTF is wrong with this company??? The lad who had one match as Bailey Matthews (Tyler Bate gave him everything), is now on the same TV show, with a new name? Like Ben Carter showing up as up and coming indie sensation Ben Carter, and shortly thereafter becoming Nathan Frazier for no particular reason? Hardly anyone in NXT-UK got re-gimmicked at first. Even some of the more recent arrivals are still under their regular names, like Rampage Brown. Sha Samuels even got to do an angle where he refused his new WWE name (Ed Harvey) and went back to Sha Samuels. But Bea Priestly is Blair Davenport now. But Meiko Satomura is still Meiko Satomura. Make it make sense. You can't. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 A lot of folks in AEW use the flatliner, too. I'm a little disappointed nobody ever brings Kanyon up on commentary when they do, but I guess maybe his is too sad a story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, kafkonia said: A lot of folks in AEW use the flatliner, too. I'm a little disappointed nobody ever brings Kanyon up on commentary when they do, but I guess maybe his is too sad a story. Don't quote me on this, but I feel like I heard Excalibur shout Kanyon out one time on Dynamite when Brian Cage did it. Kanyon was one of my favorites as well. I was so excited when he was doing Mortis at WWE house shows, I wish that made TV Edited September 17, 2021 by Zakk_Sabbath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Kenyon was great. I saw him work a dark match against Nathan Jones and he made Jones look so good just feeding into him and bumping like a pinball. The crowd totally bought Jones as the real deal. Who beta than kanyon? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnatural Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 If he can get to headline Rampage before the year is out, that would be great, assuming any injuries are healed and he's completely ready to go  2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: Don't quote me on this, but I feel like I heard Excalibur shout Kanyon out one time on Dynamite when Brian Cage did it. Kanyon was one of my favorites as well. I was so excited when he was doing Mortis at WWE house shows, I wish that made TV Brian Cage uses the Flatliner, and Kanyon was likely referenced on commentary, because he was one of the many who trained Brian Cage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Sabin Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Kanyon did Challenge Joey Ryan for the PWG Championship at the Astonishing X-Mas 2005 show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 "Doglegs" is streaming on PLEX (via Roku for me, free with many ads for deadly prescription meds and Coke products), highly recommended. It's a documentary on a niche Japanese wrestling federation that features handicapped and differently abled workers. As someone with very good carny-sense (it's like gaydar), the blurring of the lines between work and shoot is incredible, both on the part of the documentary and the workers and fed themselves. I have watched this (and the raw card footage as well) with both wrestling and non-wrestling fans and some folks can't handle it. It just up-ends peoples expectations that much. Not for workrate nerds but there are several puro and joshi cameos. - RAF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 There shall be no more Johnny Gargano slander in this thread. Failure to comply will be met with severe consequences.   5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 6 hours ago, Casey said: Brian Cage uses the Flatliner, and Kanyon was likely referenced on commentary, because he was one of the many who trained Brian Cage. Cage was also close to Kanyon and Kanyon was one of his favorites, hence Cage doing the "WHO BETTA" thing as a tribute to Kanyon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Craig H said: Cage was also close to Kanyon and Kanyon was one of his favorites, hence Cage doing the "WHO BETTA" thing as a tribute to Kanyon. Yeah, Kanyon passed the Mortis gimmick onto Cage as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 A while back there was a board discussion of wrestlers who where better versions of previous wrestlers (I.E. Flair over Buddy Rogers, Benoit over Dynamite Kid) I'm not sure who was better Cage or Kanyon. But Kanyon was kinda the original Mr. GMSI  As for 2nd gen wrestlers its probably a damned if you do damned if you don't thing. David Sammintino probably would have had a better chance if he wasn't constantly in his dad's shadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Meltzer had this blurb in the new WON that definitely makes it seem that HHH's health situation was more series than they wanted to lead on Quote Everything remains quiet regarding Paul Levesque. We are told that he’s in good enough shape that he is taking calls. Talent was told that they can call him and wish him well but that they are not to talk any WWE business with him  1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, RIPPA said: Meltzer had this blurb in the new WON that definitely makes it seem that HHH's health situation was more series than they wanted to lead on  Be sure not to mention NXT when and if you call him! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 No wonder Vince never put him in a bigger chance to be in power for the future. He probably gets stressed out a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagan Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 The fact that there's been no update and photo of Hunter since the incident is an worrying sign. Generally celebrities get out the "I'm okay, gang" photos or tweets out pretty quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) Only half joking as I wonder if Prichard used this to bury HHH more. "These kids today can't handle it, Vince! Back in the day, we'd snort rails all day, have three heart attacks before lunch, and still be at poolside in time to book the show!" Edited September 17, 2021 by Technico Support 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Technico Support said: Only half joking as I wonder if Prichard used this to bury HHH more. "These kids today can't handle it, Vince! Back in the day, we'd snort rails all day, have three heart attacks before lunch, and still be at poolside in time to book the show!" Oh I made up my mind long time ago that that was the case. Vince has always been a workaholic. If you show any signs of weakness, then his trust in you starts to fall apart. Hunter always seemed to struggle being a public face, or at least be of a similar type to him. The recent health issues just put a nail in the coffin for him running the show.  Not that he doesn’t care about him, but he won’t rely on him to grab breakfast. Edited September 17, 2021 by LoneWolf&Subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletti Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 18 hours ago, Infinit said: But, as in the case of so many 2nd generation talents, why not take advantage of the lineage and history associated with the "family" name?? It just seems so stupid to me. I remember a while back, and forgive me if I'm incorrect, but there was a story about WWE not allowing Joe Hennig to use his family name because they felt that he hadn't "earned" it yet. I don't know if that was ever confirmed, but it does seem like a very WWE thing to do, and wildly fucking offensive especially in the case of Joe who had to sit home without a father most of his childhood and then lose that father way too young. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, christopher.annino said: I remember a while back, and forgive me if I'm incorrect, but there was a story about WWE not allowing Joe Hennig to use his family name because they felt that he hadn't "earned" it yet. I don't know if that was ever confirmed, but it does seem like a very WWE thing to do, and wildly fucking offensive especially in the case of Joe who had to sit home without a father most of his childhood and then lose that father way too young. Earlier this year Arn Anderson randomly brought it up on his podcast and described it more as the WWE using the excuse of "well he will never be as good as his Dad so don't saddle him with the burden of Hennig" And you can find interviews where Joe just wanted any name that wasn't Michael McGillicutty so it is probably part of the reason he didn't put up too much of a fuss  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, christopher.annino said: I remember a while back, and forgive me if I'm incorrect, but there was a story about WWE not allowing Joe Hennig to use his family name because they felt that he hadn't "earned" it yet. I don't know if that was ever confirmed, but it does seem like a very WWE thing to do, and wildly fucking offensive especially in the case of Joe who had to sit home without a father most of his childhood and then lose that father way too young. That sounds totally on brand for WWE. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 So looks like MVP is gonna have surgery that he was trying to avoid 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) When Joe Hennig was called up, their was a persistent rumor that Hennig didn't want to use his real name and chose McGillicutty because it was his mother's maiden name.  That story was probably completely fabricated - as far as I can find, his mom's maiden name was Leonard - but it seems like Meltzer backed it up back then. Honestly, sending Joe out there with the ring name of "Hennig" and advertising him as Mr. Perfect's kid wouldn't have done him any favors.  He exhibited about a quarter of his dad's charisma and promo ability, after all.  But the "you have to earn it" stuff is just silly.  At the end of the day, creative's job is to sell tickets.  More people would have paid attention to "Perfect" Joe Hennig than they did to Michael McGillicutty or Curtis Axel. I thought "Curtis Axel" was a worse name for him than "Michael McGillicutty",  I don't think it's a big deal though.  He had bigger issues than his gimmick name.  I liked Hennig well enough, but I never thought he had the look or charisma to go far on the main roster.  His widely mocked "beginning... of the genesis... of McGillicutty" hurt his career far more than his gimmick name or father ever did.  Edited September 17, 2021 by Eoae 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 So back in the day, was Kurt not good enough to live up to the legacy of Larry Henning, and that's why he was first name Mister, last name Perfect? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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