July 2021 Wrestling Discussion.

[Craig H]

Let's assume for a moment that is true. Is it to send a message to NXT that guys who look like Kross are unacceptable and they need more model looking dudes? Kross didn't shake someone's hand backstage? I can't believe it would be because Kross sucks because there have been plenty of guys on the Raw or SD roster who have sucked more and received bigger pushes.

It's also funny that Kross took on Lee and it's like they have these two guys they don't want to do shit with, but one has to win.

And someone mentioned that maybe Lee will turn heel. Admittedly, my knowledge of Lee on the indies doesn't go back that far, but has he worked as a heel?

[nofuture]

Fandango on the Such Good Shoot Podcast gave his perspective on Kross:

"It’s the art of the no sell back there. You know, you can’t put shit over. You can’t go on Twitter and sell [issues]. 37-year-old me knows that now but 26-year-old me didn’t at the time. some of those things you have to learn the hard way. Look at Raw last night, they’re probably just testing Kross because they want him to be a big star and they want to see how he plays ball, you know? So yeah, but a guy like that will be fine, man, as long you just can’t sell it. It’s hard. It’s hard when you care so much. You know, it’s hard not to so it’s almost like that fine line of caring but not caring.

Like, how are you supposed to act? Like, are you supposed to care about what you’re doing or whatever? Yeah, it’s a weird juggling act that a lot of people don’t figure out. There are five guys and a few girls that they’re going to use prominently on top all year round and then the rest of everybody else is just kind of pissed off about their situation. That’s just the way it is. So yeah, once you come to terms with that, and you know your role, and you know what you got to do, and as long as you can control your attitude, your gear, and your body. As long as you can take care of those, you know, just don’t sell shit. That’s what I tell guys. Just do your job, man."

Edited July 27, 2021 by nofuture

[Dog]

Are they also "testing" NXT, to see how it reacts? They actually have big plans for it? I don't think you can write ratings into the script.

[LoneWolf&Subs]

24 minutes ago, nofuture said:

Fandango on the Such Good Shoot Podcast gave his perspective on Kross:

Makes for some terrible TV, I’ll give them that.

but I will add to his statement about “Doing your job”. If you can make better money elsewhere and you are confident in your abilities, get the fuck out. That goes for every line of work.

Edited July 27, 2021 by LoneWolf&Subs

[Wyld Samurai]

One thing about Vince- you never saw anyone turn out like Goldberg under his watch. 

[nate]

32 minutes ago, Wyld Samurai said:

One thing about Vince- you never saw anyone turn out like Goldberg under his watch. 

That feels like "damning with faint praise" in certain contexts.

[caley]

2 hours ago, Craig H said:

 

And someone mentioned that maybe Lee will turn heel. Admittedly, my knowledge of Lee on the indies doesn't go back that far, but has he worked as a heel?

He was part of a heel team in ROH with Shane Taylor, IIRC. They didn't last long but they were awesome but they were "technically" heels (Because you tend to get as much cheers in modern-ish ROH as a heel as you do as a face, unless you're particularly at odds with the crowd (see Hardy, Matt and/or Taven, Matt)

[Spontaneous]

So Kross just needs to complete his initiation into the cult. 

"His name is Karrion Kross/Robert Paulson"

[RIPPA]

To go back to the Queen of the Ring thing for a second

The updated Internet RUMBLINGZ~! is that it won't be a Peacock special, instead it will start on the Oct 8 SDL and conclude on the following RAW

So yeah... keep your expectations WAY low

[AxB]

2 hours ago, Wyld Samurai said:

One thing about Vince- you never saw anyone turn out like Goldberg under his watch. 

And yet, Goldberg learned how to politic from watching & listening to Hogan & Nash. Who both politicked like fuck in the WWF.

Queen of the Ring? Must be headed back to Saudi around the same time. Also, the twitter user Queen of the Ring is a regular on WWE's The Bump, isn't she?

Edited July 27, 2021 by AxB

[LoneWolf&Subs]

Well I think COVID-19 lockdown depression might kick back in the coming days. It was fun while it lasted.

[Zakk_Sabbath]

We have required vaccinations to attend schools here in the US for hundreds of years. My new vet wouldn't even touch my cats without proof of rabies shots. Now we might miss Dynamite in a packed stadium because Jethro suddenly believes in his body, his choice? I'm so fucking fed up with all of this. TK himself can check my vax card at the door for all I care.

 

[John from Cincinnati]

24 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:

Now we might miss Dynamite in a packed stadium because Jethro suddenly believes in his body, his choice? 

Gotta be careful with what you put into your body. Nothing more important than your health. Also, this post violates HIPAA.

*slams grey goose*

Edit: To be clear, I went to grey goose because my illiterate ass saw "Jethro" and autocorrected to "Jericho."

Edited July 28, 2021 by John from Cincinnati

[Eoae]

Hopefully, whatever builds a civilization on the planet after we’re gone is a little smarter.  
 

I feel bad for younger people because I have zero hope for the future, right now.  I’m nearly 50, so I I guess I had my time and and I made a fair bit of it. Not a lot of regrets.  

Not sure how I feel about having four kids right now.  They probably have shit futures to look forward to.

[John from Cincinnati]

It’s hard thinking about the unfathomable man-made horrors the youngs will live to see. On the bright side, at least most of them aren’t watching Raw. 

[grilledcheese]

25 minutes ago, Eoae said:

Hopefully, whatever builds a civilization on the planet after we’re gone is a little smarter.  
 

I feel bad for younger people because I have zero hope for the future, right now.  I’m nearly 50, so I I guess I had my time and and I made a fair bit of it. Not a lot of regrets.  

Not sure how I feel about having four kids right now.  They probably have shit futures to look forward to.

Man, you are fucking bumming me out. But only because I had this exact same conversation with my wife this afternoon. We only have two kids, and I'll be 43 at the end of this year, but other than that, I am right there with you.

Here's hoping we're wrong, and our kids live wonderful prosperous lives full of love and happiness. 

[Shartnado]

9 hours ago, nate said:

That feels like "damning with faint praise" in certain contexts.

Yeah, I'm not even sure how to interpret that? I'm sure it's true both ways, though. No one sure turned out like Goldberg in a good or bad way. It would be pretty damn hard to accomplish, in any case.

As in : Get a super push, get super over, get the title , get tangled up with politics, get rich, injured, get kinda pushed aside, end a legendary career, get pushed aside, go home and collect the money , come back to another company and hate it , beat The Rock, get a push, but not really , win and lose the title , beat Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania and call it a career. Come back years later to make even more money, win titles and go over some young stars while putting over some others.

Pretty sure anything like this will not be duplicated on this scale ever again.

[AxB]

The legend of Eddie Kingston will also probably never be repeated. 18 years on the indies (not including an Impact run in which he was mostly used as a manager), finally brought in to a major company as a one-off, to lose a match on TV. Gets signed and is headlining a big 4 PPV, challenging for the World Title, in less than 4 months. Never going to happen again, that.

[LoneWolf&Subs]

Looks like Gage might repeat that tonight. I’ve even heard rumors of what that would lead to. Fucking COVID could stop the 2nd part of the plan, but… yeah.

Edited July 28, 2021 by LoneWolf&Subs

[John from Cincinnati]

AEW getting ready to set the industry back another thirty years? Wow, what'll they be up to? Sixty years? 

[Custos]

By All Out we’ll be in Hackenschmidt territory at this rate. Or maybe Abe Lincoln…

[LoneWolf&Subs]

Going back to Lumberjack Deathmatches.

[Technico Support]

17 hours ago, nofuture said:

Fandango on the Such Good Shoot Podcast gave his perspective on Kross:

"It’s the art of the no sell back there. You know, you can’t put shit over. You can’t go on Twitter and sell [issues]. 37-year-old me knows that now but 26-year-old me didn’t at the time. some of those things you have to learn the hard way. Look at Raw last night, they’re probably just testing Kross because they want him to be a big star and they want to see how he plays ball, you know? So yeah, but a guy like that will be fine, man, as long you just can’t sell it. It’s hard. It’s hard when you care so much. You know, it’s hard not to so it’s almost like that fine line of caring but not caring.

Like, how are you supposed to act? Like, are you supposed to care about what you’re doing or whatever? Yeah, it’s a weird juggling act that a lot of people don’t figure out. There are five guys and a few girls that they’re going to use prominently on top all year round and then the rest of everybody else is just kind of pissed off about their situation. That’s just the way it is. So yeah, once you come to terms with that, and you know your role, and you know what you got to do, and as long as you can control your attitude, your gear, and your body. As long as you can take care of those, you know, just don’t sell shit. That’s what I tell guys. Just do your job, man."

Well, if the goal is to never make anybody bigger than the company, then beating everyone down, keeping them job-scared and walking on eggshells until they're willing to eat every pile of shit you shove their way is the way to do it.  I mean you'll never have a star the level of Hogan, Austin, Michaels, Undertaker, etc etc etc ever again, but you'll also never have a possible pain in the ass the level of Hogan, Austin, Michaels, Undertaker, etc etc etc ever again, so it's a win, I guess?  Funny how anything we consume trends toward the boring middle, eventually.  WWE is a Big Mac.  "Good enough" is good enough.

[Shartnado]

1 minute ago, Technico Support said:

Well, if the goal is to never make anybody bigger than the company, then beating everyone down, keeping them job-scared and walking on eggshells until they're willing to eat every pile of shit you shove their way is the way to do it.  I mean you'll never have a star the level of Hogan, Austin, Michaels, Undertaker, etc etc etc ever again, but you'll also never have a possible pain in the ass the level of Hogan, Austin, Michaels, Undertaker, etc etc etc ever again, so it's a win, I guess?  Funny how anything we consume trends toward the boring middle, eventually.  WWE is a Big Mac.  "Good enough" is good enough.

And if there's enough time left for it to happen, that's how empires eventually fall, rotting from the inside.

[Technico Support]

5 minutes ago, Shartnado said:

And if there's enough time left for it to happen, that's how empires eventually fall, rotting from the inside.

I wish I could be as optimistic but I have to disagree.  There's always a market for bland product that's familiar and good enough. Shit, I bought a Big Mac last week.