Elsalvajeloco Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Oh and the reason why some lawyers might work with athletes is they see $$$ immediately and willing to work something out on the backend. They're going to have their tentacles around them for the long haul just because they might cash in on a lottery ticket eventually. As good as a WWE might pay, wrestlers aren't make large sums of money to justify that early help. What are you negotiating on the backend if your guy ends up working in Game Changer and Defy not even three years later? Pro Wrestling Tees' money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Wyld Samurai said: Im more surprised the contracts dont have buyout clauses. I dont out any blame on the WWE. Business is business. The independent contracters know the risks, and if they were smart they would include a buyout clause. The most a wrestler could ask for is a no-cut clause. Say they sign a 4-year deal. MAYBE they can ask for writing that guarantees they'll be kept for 2 years without risk of release. But they're unlikely to get it. Perhaps someone like Reigns, Orton or Becky can pull it off (Roman and Becky have Hollywood agents who surely look over their deals for them and can ask for some assurances even if not that direct clause). But they're not at risk of getting cut, anyway. The ones who need the protection aren't in a position to ask for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Just lol at the idea of "wrestlers should ask for a buyout clause." As if WWE wouldn't just say "nah," pull the offer, then move on to somebody who will accept their terms. If the wrestlers were actual employees and had a union, then maybe they could start chipping away at things like that. Anyone suggesting you shouldn't feel sorry for the wrestlers here because they are dumb and didn't negotiate better like those smart business people in the corporate office has definitely absorbed too much uncritical capitalist propaganda. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Keeping a Twitch stream alone is a non starter for WWE. There's no fucking way they're ever going to agree to buyout clauses or no cut clauses. And the notion that if a wrestler can't afford an agent then they should have a lawyer look over the contract instead is laughable. Lawyers are fucking expensive. Maybe if you even knew of a contract law attorney in your area you could get them on retainer for $1000 if you're lucky, but the chances of that all falling into place are slim and none and most of these indy workers don't even have two dimes to rub together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 24 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: This doesn't make Nick Kahn a genius. It just makes everyone else in WWE stupid for taking the losses for however many years they kept sinking money into the studio idea. Although even before Nick Khan Vince and company have made cuts that seemingly come out of left field, we'll be having these same talking points about how horrible WWE is for letting such and such go. Khan has completely changed, WWEs hiring and firing practices. If he was around years 20 years ago or longer before, Vince probably wouldn't have had WWE Studios or XFL twice or even two brands. I've said it last year during the first Covid purge, it was crazy to see WWE pluck every to independent name not signed to AEW or ROH just to keep guys away from AEW. Now Khan convinced Vince to make everyone that's not Orton or Roman completely disposable. I give him credit for giving NXT and developmental more structure because being Early 2000s ROH or WWE version of PWG. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, MoeCristyV.1.6 said: Modern day WWE would have future endeavored Blue Chipper Rocky Maivia and the Ringmaster. This is absolutely true. Along with a bunch of others who later became at least a reasonable successess. Hell, come to think of it, today they could release those two for getting over on their own and also if it seemed like they were on their way to becoming "bigger than the brand"! Edited November 6, 2021 by Shartnado ...it's probably even worse 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph2112 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 People.can say "it's just normal corporate greed", but this goes way beyond that. Again, somebody comp me a situation where a company was making record profits and decided to slash giant parts of their work force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Would it be reaching if I believe that guys would refuse the Vaccine, just to get released from WWE? I know that there are guys that are legitimately anti vaxx but if your unhappy with your standing in WWE especially if you have credibility outside of WWE that would be the easiest route to get put of your deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 How it started: How it's going: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 #APOLOGY 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRR Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 38 minutes ago, EVA said: #APOLOGY #PleaseDon’tWhoopMyAss 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great ML Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Cody Starbucks deleted his profile. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 17 hours ago, odessasteps said: That said, I'm sure Vince would hold it against any talent that didn't just sign blindly. Wendi Richter confirmed this one a long time ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 19 hours ago, jstout said: The non-competes can stick because the talent's still being paid through the length of the non-compete. A non-compete where the talent doesn't get paid probably wouldn't stick in court, because you have to allow people to make a living doing what they do if you take that living away from them by firing them. Brock actually fought WWE on this and won 15 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 A thing that currently is getting a bunch of attention on social media is Catalina Garcia (fka Katrina Cortez) tweeted that she received an email today that her visa expires next month (I would assume this means at year's end) and that she has to "sell all her stuff" There is obviously a lot of gray area since it is just one two sentence Tweet without much further details. I would assume it wasn't because she was released by the WWE, instead her Visa was always gonna expire then (mainly because that seems way to quick for the government to be working on a Friday) but I could be totally wrong. Anyway - it was another log on the fire for folks after this round of releases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Ace said: Brock actually fought WWE on this and won 15 years ago. I'm pretty sure both sides agreed to settle this out of court, and the judge dismissed the case because of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, Casey said: I'm pretty sure both sides agreed to settle this out of court, and the judge dismissed the case because of that. yeah, that's how my memory runs it as well. plus, Brock left the country to wrestle, which, legally speaking, doesn't really look good on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 The Smackdown idea is great. However, I would only start watching again if both women pulled a Sakura Hirota and brought their children to the ring to have them stand on the ring apron and randomly interrupt the match. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 5 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: Each PPV is now seven hours long. Six of those hours consist of recap and hype videos for each match. The main event is always John Cena against Randy Orton. The co-main event is a cinematic match featuring The Undertaker against the top face that week. The "match" still features a 30 minute ring entrance. Each week a new tag team debuts and wins the titles. The next week they lose the belts back to either The New Day or The Usos, then one member turns on the other. They have a match and one member is fired while the other is relegated to teaming with Dolph Ziggler for a month before spending the rest of their contract jobbing in dark matches. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_K Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 hours ago, The Natural said: Bit of a selective edit there on those quotes. My bigger take from that was Vince essentially saying he doesn't believe in Lee yet as a global star, and that Lee would need to make him a believer. All said McMahon looks so old. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Curt McGirt Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Yeah, whoever made that thing definitely left out a couple perma-talents like Ziggler and the Usos. I mean THEY wouldn't really ever get fired. I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 50 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: Yeah, whoever made that thing definitely left out a couple perma-talents like Ziggler and the Usos. I mean THEY wouldn't really ever get fired. I think? I think it was on TIJ but it could've been another podcast where Ziggler talked openly about how his contract negotiations tend to go. He referenced a few years back where he put his career on the line against The Miz and had every intention on leaving, but the offer to renew was too good to pass up. Then he talked about another time where he was out for a few weeks (and I think his contract was coming up) and wanted to stay off TV for even longer, even if that meant not re-signing, but again the company offered him a big deal and had him back at the Rumble, which meant he was only off TV for like 2 weeks and nobody cared about his return. I think Dolph is "over" wrestling anyway and is more than happy just collecting a check in his current position and, when its time to renegotiate, his take-it-or-leave-it attitude plays to his favor. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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