J.T. Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, TheVileOne said: That would kind of bug me, seeing as to how his father in the comics was a Nazi. 22 hours ago, odessasteps said: I just explained the history of the Zemo family at work to a bunch of guys who wondered why I thought it was funny that Zeno hates Nazis. I would find this all peculiar if Marvel had kept MCU Zemo's nationality as German, but he's Sokovian now. All bets are off. We knew this when he infringed on Klaw's gimmick after Zemo's murder of T'Chaka. Zemo being a master of disguise also steps on the toes of the Chameleon. MCU Zemo is a gestalt of at least three or four Marvel villains all wrapped together in the now familiar purple hood. Edited April 11, 2021 by J.T. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 Someone should benefit, since we never got Master of Sound Klaw. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Someone should benefit, since we never got Master of Sound Klaw. To be fair, given MCU Klaw's downgrade in profession from scientist to smuggler and illegal arms dealer, we probably weren't going to get him anyway. MCU Klaw could've kept his original role, but the producers gave his angle to Zemo to try to give him some gravitas. Did Walker take the SS serum before fighting the Dora Milaje? I kinda lost track of the timeline. If he did, then I applaud MCU continuing to reinforce that training and proper equipment can still trump super powers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 The funny thing about Klaw is they swerved everyone by casting Andy Serkis, since him doing motion capture for a CGI Klaw made of solid sound makes total sense. I thought he still hasn't used it yet. But it would make sense why he went crazy at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, odessasteps said: The funny thing about Klaw is they swerved everyone by casting Andy Serkis, since him doing motion capture for a CGI Klaw made of solid sound makes total sense. I bought into that, too. Serkis had made a career out of mocap performances, so I figured how could all of this not be leading up to Master of Sound Klaw? We were all fooled. 4 minutes ago, odessasteps said: I thought he still hasn't used it yet. But it would make sense why he went crazy at the end. Yeah, I thought the murder of Nico was a result of Walker having a SS serum roid rage moment triggered by having his ass kicked by mere mortals. Edited April 11, 2021 by J.T. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 I figured it was more him snapping from Battlestadying. g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, odessasteps said: I figured it was more him snapping from Battlestadying. g. Cascading series of triggering events magnified by the SS serum. Edited April 11, 2021 by J.T. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 I don't think Walker took the serum until after the fight with the Dora Milaje. He waited and clearly contemplated using it for a while. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 54 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: I don't think Walker took the serum until after the fight with the Dora Milaje. He waited and clearly contemplated using it for a while. “They weren’t even super soldiers...” On 4/9/2021 at 5:25 PM, The Natural said: Reveal hidden contents Wyatt Russell nailed that moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletti Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 Best episode yet. My wife, who follows the MCU but has never read a comic, was cursing Walker out as soon as he went to grab that last serum vial. Then THAT ending. Fuck. Two more episodes - and seemingly 3-4 still unknown characters showing up, if the end credit placeholders can be believed... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 The missed plot beat was the two times this episode that Walker was giving Bucky shit for letting his unpowered partner go into things alone and it was going to get him killed, then Walker's impatience and frustration ended up getting Hopkins killed was good storytelling. They are pushing that just because of serum and a Shield, it doesn't make you a superhero and Walker and Hopkins were in way over their heads from jump, and Bucky and Sam are the way they are because they've lives through some shit. And with that, they got 2 episodes left, and I'm getting impatient for Sam to get the Shield and take down Walker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Walker: You don't really want to do this... Bucky: Yeah, we do. FUCKING HYPED! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimbra Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Bucky coming off the motorcycle to spear that dude was also extremely choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Eat my shit John Walker! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) On 4/11/2021 at 2:28 AM, J.T. said: Did Walker take the SS serum before fighting the Dora Milaje? I kinda lost track of the timeline. If he did, then I applaud MCU continuing to reinforce that training and proper equipment can still trump super powers. On 4/11/2021 at 4:01 AM, TheVileOne said: I don't think Walker took the serum until after the fight with the Dora Milaje. He waited and clearly contemplated using it for a while. I got the impression he'd taken it shortly before meeting with Hopkins in the cafe and having a deep discussion about taking the serum. He seemed a little jittery/wonky/squirrely (more so than normal) in that meeting. Still, none of it gels with Karli's description, which sounded like the serum taking effect took a while and consisted of extreme burning pain that made you want to die. I wished they'd gotten Danai Gurira for this episode and the last as the key member of the Dora Milaje. It would have been more impactful. Edited April 13, 2021 by Technico Support 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Technico Support said: I wished they'd gotten Danai Gurira for this episode and the last as the key member of the Dora Milaje. It would have been more impactful. I agree. It kind of felt like when Sif was on Agents of Shield. Like, we couldn't get one of the "real" stars, so here's a supporting character. That said, at least Ayo is established as a higher-up Dora Milaje, not just a random. She was the first one from that group that we met in Civil War. So, she was there when Zemo bombed the UN. Also, it was nice that they at least tried to establish that her and Bucky have a connection going back to his deprogramming. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Log said: I agree. It kind of felt like when Sif was on Agents of Shield. Like, we couldn't get one of the "real" stars, so here's a supporting character. That said, at least Ayo is established as a higher-up Dora Milaje, not just a random. She was the first one from that group that we met in Civil War. So, she was there when Zemo bombed the UN. Also, it was nice that they at least tried to establish that her and Bucky have a connection going back to his deprogramming. LOL I guess I didn't pay attention too well because I totally missed that and thought she was a rando. Edited April 13, 2021 by Technico Support 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I'd watch a series about the Dora Milaje just fucking people up. They're so cool. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I would assume/hope that will be a big part of the Wakanda series. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Wakanda series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 First I heard of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Spoiler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Craig H said: I'd watch a series about the Dora Milaje just fucking people up. They're so cool. 8 hours ago, JonnyLaw said: Spoiler Bad ass! Edited April 14, 2021 by The Natural 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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