BobbyWhioux Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, just drew said: Also, because I'm too lazy and tipsy to go back in this thread, idk how much this has been commented on, but who the fuck thought bringing Johnny Ace back was a good idea? Johnny Ace and Bruce Prichard being in top spots in company leadership in goddamn 2021 is like an NFL team hiring Mike Ditka to fix their organization. But not good, mid-80's Ditka. I'm talking "trade all your picks for Ricky Willams" Mike Ditka. Even worse, Bruce and Johnny are so obsolete that it's like turning around and letting Ditka hire Mike Martz and Monte Kiffin to overhaul your offense and defense. Just outdated, ignorant methods of thinking that lead to a shitty, subpar product that's only being kept afloat by the supreme individual efforts by a few bulletproof stars... well I mean Vince McMahon increasingly reminds me of the final years of Al Davis so if the shoe fits... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 58 minutes ago, Casey said: Losing interest in him because he failed a drug test seems like a convenient excuse. That didn't stop them from keeping the faith in Roman Reigns when he popped for Adderall. Yeah, I know, Andrade isn't Reigns, but supposedly they saw their next Latin star in him, even hired English language coaches for him, but he fails one drug test and that's it? Nah, I don't buy that. Facts , It doesn't mean anything when they say they are looking for the next Latin star. They've been saying it since Eddie died. They gave Del Rio a serious shot but other than him who else have they tried to push. No disrespect to Jinder Mahal but they were looking for an Indian star and the went with him. It irrelevant whether he was a success the fact is the went with him and right now they have a couple of guys could be the next Indian superstar. He wasn't going to get past the Midcard . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 All I’m saying is that I don’t believe the idea that WWE lost interest in him because of a failed drug test. It’s more likely that WWE was just being WWE and they moved onto the next toy in their large collection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Truthfully, outside a few matches with Gargano or Rey, I still don't get what people see in Andrade. Zelina Vega was pretty much the only thing I found interesting about him 90% of the time. But that Black/Murphy feud was so fucking great, and then suddenly Murphy was joined to Rollins and that was the end for both him and Black doing anything even slightly interesting and that just sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Casey said: All I’m saying is that I don’t believe the idea that WWE lost interest in him because of a failed drug test. It’s more likely that WWE was just being WWE and they moved onto the next toy in their large collection. I believe this is the case for most people that come up from NXT. Look at Finn Balor, he the first Universal Champ and Vince was said to be very high on him at the time. He unfortunately got injured in the very match he was crowned Champ. Was out several months and by the time he got back he was just another guy. In a seriousness, I have to remind myself that he was the first Universal Champ. Sasha Banks on Broken Skull Sessions admitted that she initially hid her Shoulder injury from the company so they wouldn't mess up the plans for her and Bayley as women's tag Champs. There's still that old school mentality that if you get put on the shelf you might lose your spot. Yes they have the advantage of getting paid but Vince not having you in his consciousness for more than a few weeks does you no favors Edited March 13, 2021 by Ziggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Ziggy said: Facts , It doesn't mean anything when they say they are looking for the next Latin star. They've been saying it since Eddie died. They gave Del Rio a serious shot but other than him who else have they tried to push. No disrespect to Jinder Mahal but they were looking for an Indian star and the went with him. It irrelevant whether he was a success the fact is the went with him and right now they have a couple of guys could be the next Indian superstar. He wasn't going to get past the Midcard . Stop trying to look for the next Eddie Guerrero because that's a standard no one can achieve. Just seriously push the Latin stars and treat them as legit stars and legit threats. I think the issue with Aleister Black is WWE just doesn't know what to do with a character like that on the main roster. No disrespect to Black, but his promos after moving to the main roster were nothing to write home about. They just sounded so half-hearted and bland, but that problem is not isolated to Aleister Black in WWE. A lot of wrestlers suffer from just bad overly scripted promos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Re: Andrade Vince lost interest in him because he took back RAW from Heyman, saw just how small El Idolo really is and that he can barely speak English... and killed it. This isn't rocket science. He wants another Eddy... but he wants Eddy. It's more important to Vince to connect with the audience than wow the audience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph2112 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: and then suddenly Murphy was joined to Rollins and that was the end for both him and Black doing anything even slightly interesting and that just sucks. And just to be sure I have this right, he turned face, joined the Mysterios, they dropped the angle, took him off tv for a few months then brought him back to join up with Rollins again. Without even trying to explain it, or write a story or anything. This is why the almost the entire roster is a bunch of dudes. They give you no reason to even care, because it's clear they don't. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletti Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 WWE wrestlers are more of a collection than a roster. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share Posted March 13, 2021 I enjoyed this. Paul Heyman is one of the best promos in wrestling history. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, odessasteps said: I don't think we can put it past people in this company to punish Andrade for being with Charlotte, that they don't see him as "important" enough to be her boyfriend/husband/eventually baby daddy. Lol, I hope you stretched before you made that leap of logic. I'd hate for you to pull a hammy. Honestly, as much as people try to blame Vince for anything and everything, I'd sort of surprised no one here has found a way to implicate him in the Lindbergh baby kidnapping or Hindenburg explosion. Edited March 13, 2021 by Eoae typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 3 hours ago, The Natural said: I enjoyed this. Paul Heyman is one of the best promos in wrestling history. Heyman still has that gift to sell you on a match or talk you into the building. It's not an attribute that people are required to have especially in WWE. In other promotions guys have gotten to use that skill. I said before that I like both Edge and Roman but I'd much rather Roman Headline a WrestleMania with a younger guy for once. Most of his Mania matches have been against old timers or part timers, he's definitely at the point where he should be the ring general. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Eoae said: Lol, I hope you stretched before you made that leap of logic. I'd hate for you to pull a hammy. Honestly, as much as people try to blame Vince for anything and everything, I'd sort of surprised no one here has found a way to implicate him in the Lindbergh baby kidnapping or Hindenburg explosion. The worst part about the huge reach in logic, is that it has happened multiple times before. There is nothing that makes me think that this is what happened with Andrade. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case, they've literally tried to sabotage relationships for decades now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Eoae said: Lol, I hope you stretched before you made that leap of logic. I'd hate for you to pull a hammy. Honestly, as much as people try to blame Vince for anything and everything, I'd sort of surprised no one here has found a way to implicate him in the Lindbergh baby kidnapping or Hindenburg explosion. If you asked Vince he'd probably tell you that he IS the Lindbergh baby. Waa waa goo goo. I miss my fly flu da-da. (Simpsons reference in case someone doesn't get it) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRR Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 18 hours ago, Casey said: Losing interest in him because he failed a drug test seems like a convenient excuse. That didn't stop them from keeping the faith in Roman Reigns when he popped for Adderall. Yeah, I know, Andrade isn't Reigns, but supposedly they saw their next Latin star in him, even hired English language coaches for him, but he fails one drug test and that's it? Nah, I don't buy that. So they payed for him to learn English and weren’t happy when he didn’t pass a drug test? Sounds hella sketchy indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, supremebve said: The worst part about the huge reach in logic, is that it has happened multiple times before. There is nothing that makes me think that this is what happened with Andrade. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case, they've literally tried to sabotage relationships for decades now. I can only think of this happening two times. Once was with Miz and Maryse because one particular writer was a jealous asshole so it wasn't exactly a "they" situation. The other with Del Rio & Paige because even they thought Del Rio was a piece of shit who was going to drag Paige down. What are the other times? Have they been confirmed, or was it just supposition from fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordi the former AEW fan Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 9 hours ago, christopher.annino said: WWE wrestlers are more of a collection than a roster. I think of them as an art farm on a sunny day. And Vince is the big goofy kid with the magnifying glass. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, El Gran Gordi said: Jim Cornette fans are fucking weird. 3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Aleister was maybe the most over guy on the NXT PPV i went to.. his entrance was crazy... i was dumb enough to say "even WWE can't fuck this up" 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, El Gran Gordi said: Imagining Miro putting the Accolade on Jim Cornette makes me grin. Edited March 14, 2021 by The Natural 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Aleister was maybe the most over guy on the NXT PPV i went to.. his entrance was crazy... i was dumb enough to say "even WWE can't fuck this up" WWE find that way alright. The ones that come straight to mind: WWE vs. WCW/ECW Invasion, 2001. Nexus, 2010. Even John Cena admitted to Edge and Chris Jericho backstage after Team WWE vs. Nexus at SummerSlam that he got it wrong. Summer of Punk, 2011. Not doing The Undertaker vs. Sting at WrestleMania XXXI but Triple H vs. Sting instead. Stupid. Adding Charlotte Flair to Ronda Rousey vs. Becky Lynch at WrestleMania XXXV. Rousey vs. Lynch was THE match to do. Edited March 14, 2021 by The Natural 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 10 hours ago, Casey said: Jim Cornette fans are fucking weird. I saw someone on Twitter describe the Cornette sycophants as "internet hall monitors" and I can't stop laughing. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 IMO, if they had done Undertaker-Sting, we'd all be terribly disappointed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 13 hours ago, El Gran Gordi said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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