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59 minutes ago, RIPPA said:

What was the follow up after Sheamus put Mark Cuban through a table? Or in a similar vein, after KO power bombed Machine Gun Kelly?

God my memory sucks

Pretty sure the follow-up to the MGK angle was telling him to fuck off since he no-sold the table-break and ran off.

I do love how WWE pretty much fell into getting one of the hottest acts right now when you guys shit on Vince for being decades out of touch.  Then he gets someone big that a lot of you have never heard of.  And now you don't know what to do.

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11 minutes ago, sydneybrown said:

Pretty sure the follow-up to the MGK angle was telling him to fuck off since he no-sold the table-break and ran off.

I do love how WWE pretty much fell into getting one of the hottest acts right now when you guys shit on Vince for being decades out of touch.  Then he gets someone big that a lot of you have never heard of.  And now you don't know what to do.

I was listening to an old B&V show from like 2015 not too long ago. Whenever it was, they were talking that thing going on and said no sell. It's amazing that was when MGK was one of the hottest acts around. I know he's still around but it feels like the bloom is off that rose. Then I look at his wiki:

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Tickets to My Downfall debuted at number 1 on the US Billboard 200 all-format albums chart, moving 126,000 album equivalent units in its first week.[56] This debut became the highest of his career to date, tripling the opening numbers for his prior album, Hotel Diablo in 2019, and made it the first rock album to top the chart in just over a year, since Tool's album Fear Inoculum in September 2019.[56][57]

Holy shit...what happened to rock? Sidenote: AC/DC had a number 1 album last year. Have we traveled back to the late 1970s and I missed it? 

Anyway, re: Vince

That's a case of both things being true. Also, it doesn't mean that it's Vince himself who made that push. It isn't 25 years ago where Vince's inner circle was just a half dozen or so people that he trusted. 

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29 minutes ago, sydneybrown said:

Pretty sure the follow-up to the MGK angle was telling him to fuck off since he no-sold the table-break and ran off.

I do love how WWE pretty much fell into getting one of the hottest acts right now when you guys shit on Vince for being decades out of touch.  Then he gets someone big that a lot of you have never heard of.  And now you don't know what to do.

Bad Bunny was basically begging to be on WWE TV for months before they brought him in.

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They've been trying to get Cardi B, her husband Offset is a friend of Flair so I can her getting involved. I'd imagine people like Sasha , Bayley and Naomi are fans of her. Nicki Minaj has done work for WWE, I know for a fact Sasha and Bianca are fans of her as well. I think she's some what of a fan a wrestling. 

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The AC/DC hit is more of a reunion thing than anything. Malcolm Young died, Brian Johnson basically went deaf (he now has ear implants or whatever), and they decided to call it a wrap but then got back together. Coincidentally my mom grabbed the LP for me for Xmas. It remains sealed in the stacks. I mean, if it was a Bon Scott era one it'd be on the turntable no matter how beat up it is, but...

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Just now, Curt McGirt said:

The AC/DC hit is more of a reunion thing than anything. Malcolm Young died, Brian Johnson basically went deaf (he now has ear implants or whatever), and they decided to call it a wrap but then got back together. Coincidentally my mom grabbed the LP for me for Xmas. It remains sealed in the stacks. I mean, if it was a Bon Scott era one it'd be on the turntable no matter how beat up it is, but...

Yeah, I kinda figured that but I'm so out of the loop I didn't know there was an album (let alone a #1 album on the Billboard 200) associated with all this.

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5 hours ago, Eivion said:

I have no idea who Bad Bunny is and only heard of him due to some beer commercials I couldn't skip that featured Snoop Dog. 

I only knew of Pitbull due to beer commercials. 

So I should know Bad Bunny from commercials with Snoop Dog? Is Bad Bunny Martha Stewart with a mask?

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2 hours ago, sydneybrown said:

I do love how WWE pretty much fell into getting one of the hottest acts right now when you guys shit on Vince for being decades out of touch.  Then he gets someone big that a lot of you have never heard of.  And now you don't know what to do.

Well you see, this whole time we've been shitting on Vince for being an old man who's completely out of touch, we've been simultaneously growing into...uh...old men who are completely out of touch. 

Though I do know all these new rappers, I think the only new rapper I've ever listened to is Lil Nas X. I enjoy some Old Town Road and Rodeo. Past that, it's probably Kendrick Lamar. EDIT: Or Nipsey Hussle (RIP).

Don't worry, though. I still old it up by unfavorably comparing all these cats to '90s rappers. 

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7 hours ago, Eivion said:

I have no idea who Bad Bunny is and only heard of him due to some beer commercials I couldn't skip that featured Snoop Dog. I didn't even know he was a musician until they revealed he was playing his single at Royal Rumble. I kind of just skip his segments because I mostly don't care about celeb appearances. If he is bringing in interest then neat though I wish it was not on their worst show right now.

I'd be ignorant to his existence were it not for his WWE appearance. These days I watch SNL sporadically and looking at the current season I've heard of less then half of the musical guests and have no idea who several of the hosts are. Celeb appearances are very hit and miss for me, but at the same time I realize there's a whole big chunk of the fan base that actually does know who these people are and enjoys their work, so if it resonates with them or brings them in as viewers then it is what it is.

If they are going to bring in people from other areas of the entertainment sphere then ideally these people should be actual fans (it's been really obvious over the years when outsiders showed up just to collect a paycheck vs. actually wanting to be there) and if they insist on having a match, they should at least have some athletic prowess or credibility.  Mayweather, LT, and Stephen Amell were great examples of this.

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As much as I loathe them myself - I felt the Entourage guys really added to that one episode of RAW.  (The one with Zack Ryder answering John Cena's US Open Challenge)

Of course it helped that it was in New York.

Anyway - @odessastepsmade a comment about a list of guest General Managers. This is the best I could find (and I feel like its incomplete)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WWE_Raw_guest_stars

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6 minutes ago, RIPPA said:

God - that list reminds me of Lavar Ball

Well there is another one - rightly or wrongly - where the WWE got someone at the height of their "fame"

With the way Melo is balling, he could be back. 

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This is what happens when I have been up for hours - the combination of WWE, celebrities and Vince not knowing who people are got me to thinking about one of my favorite stories.

Remember it comes via Chris Jericho - so apply copious amounts of salt

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The night before WrestleMania 25, the legends and I were scheduled to have a rehearsal to discuss what we wanted to do in the match. The layout was pretty simple: I would beat Snuka in a minute, Piper in two minutes, and then Steamboat in about five. Afterward I'd then beat up Flair and challenge Rourke, who would enter the ring and hit me with a knockout punch. Mickey's spot was easy, but a rehearsal was necessary since it was his first time in the WWE. I was looking forward to finally meeting him after our Larry King confrontation and the subsequent weeks of buildup I'd done on Raw without him.

I got to Reliant Stadium in Houston at midnight and walked out onto the massive set that had been constructed at one end of the field. I could see Rourke in the ring with his entourage and they appeared to be the size of ants, and I started walking the one hundred yards down the ramp, when I ran into a WWE publicist. "Hey, I just talked to Mickey and he's mad at you," she said. "He thinks you have a real problem with him." That surprised me. "Well, did you tell him I don't?" "No. Should I have?" Uh, yeah . . . I mean, what did she think the letters PR stood for in the first place? I was part of the Public and it was her job to Relate to Mickey that I was a good guy.

As I got closer to the ring, I could see Rourke staring at me and noticed that his entourage looked less like Turtle and Drama and more like the Delta Force. Three shredded bodybuilders glared at me with their heavily tattoed arms crossed in front of them. . . . One was even wearing army fatigues, for Pete Fornatale's sake! I knew my work was cut out for me as I climbed into the ring and greeted Mickey with a warm smile. "Hey, man, nice to finally meet you!" I said cheerily and gave him the kind of hug you see two dudes in da club do when they don't really know each other. I could sense the last thing he wanted to do was embrace me and he couldn't pull away fast enough.

He was about the same height as I and looked like he'd been through the ringer a time or two, with the wear and tear on his face to show it. His hair was braided with blue and green extensions and held up in a topknot à la Jericho circa 1999. His face was oddly puffy, and with his dyed-black goatee, gold front tooth, and slight hint of BO, he reminded me of an older Jack Sparrow, you savvy? He also looked tough as shit and ready to snap, not the kind of guy I wanted on my bad side. Especially since I was supposed to be taking a punch from him the next day.

We exchanged some small talk as Rourke's Dorks kept staring at me, seemingly ready to pounce at any given moment. To make matters even worse, I recognized the one on the left as Frank Shamrock, and even though he was the shortest of the three, he was one of the toughest UFC fighters ever. What were these guys even doing here? I decided that the direct approach was in order. "Hey, man, I hear you're a little pissed off at me for the Larry King thing, but I want you to know that I was just putting on a show, ya dig?" Rourke's face hardened as if he'd been waiting to get to the heart of the matter from the moment I got into the ring. "No, brother," he said with his distinct New York accent. "You don't say the things you said to me and not mean it. In my world, in the boxing world, when you say that shit, it's because you're looking for a fight."

Wow. That explained why he'd never replied after I'd sent the text through Flair. He was legitimately pissed with me. "No, it's not like that, man. I was trying to get people interested in seeing us wrestle each other. I was just playing a character. Same thing you do when you do a movie." Here I was explaining acting and the inner workings of pro wrestling to a man who had just won a Golden Globe for Best Actor for his portrayal of a pro wrestler. After a few more minutes, I was finally able to convince him that I'd had been playing a role on the King show. His face softened as he realized I was telling the truth. "So you're telling me that even though I'm the one who got nominated for an Oscar, you outacted me?!" He burst out with a you son of a bitch laugh and gave me a bear hug for real this time. All the tension floated away and the entire vibe in the ring changed.

He went on saying how he was so mad after the show that he'd called his agents and demanded them to allow him to fight me. They of course said no, so he had planned another form of revenge. He pointed to the bruisers standing beside him and said, "I flew these guys into Houston on my own dime to make sure everything went smoothly. If you tried anything funny, I told them to kick the shit out of you." I was flattered but told him that maybe he had overestimated me a little. "Mickey, to be honest, you didn't need to bring three guys. I'm sure just one of them would've sufficed." All of us laughed except the guy wearing army fatigues, an Israeli bounty hunter who didn't find any of this funny and continued to stare me down for the rest of the night.

Vince made his way down to the ring, unaware of the confrontation Rourke and I had narrowly avoided and went through his ideas for the match. As a wrestler, I would listen to what Vince wanted, think about the logistics of it, run through it once or twice, and move along. But as an actor, Mickey was much more concerned with camera angles and minor movements. He wanted to rehearse his punch over and over again, discussing his motivation, his positioning, everything. There would be no improv for this guy. Then we discussed how he was going to hit me. I told him not worry about pulling the punch and just swing like he would in a boxing match.

He shook his head and warned me, "I don't know about that. I'm Golden Gloves, brother. If I hit you with this right hand, you're going to feel it." I convinced him that it was OK and told him he could hit me as hard as he wanted as long as it looked good. After being walloped in the forehead for real by the seven-foot-tall Big Show, I thought I could take a punch from a 160-pound actor.

After about a half hour of going over the punch spot a dozen times, Mickey was happy and he left ringside with his posse in tow. I went over to Vince and told him what had almost happened. "You know, Rourke hired those guys to kick my ass if I tried to double-cross him." Vince stared down the rampway at Rourke's gang. "Are you kidding me? Those guys?!" He laughed. He motioned at Dean Malenko and Fit Finlay, who were talking at ringside. "You, me, Finlay, and Malenko would've beat the shit out of them. I mean look at that one guy. . . . He's a midget!" The "midget" Vince was referring to was Shamrock, the multiple-time UFC champion. I smiled at Vince and said, "Well, if anything goes down, I'll take Rourke and you take the midget." "Damn right I will," he murmured and swaggered out of the ring.

 

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Hacksaw Jim Duggar cuts a promo on people who want him to get with the 90’s by getting some bubbles and worrying what sliced meat they have in a the dressing room.  No, really.

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, Smelly McUgly said:

I'm just impressed that WWE got an act that isn't five or more years past its shelf life. I would have put money on Kid Rock or Fred Durst running around as 24/7 champ well before Bad Bunny. 

Reminds me of the time Vince insisted they use Peter Gabriel's "Big Time" as the theme to Wrestlemania 20 years after the song was released.  Random as fuck, that.

BTW isn't Big Time supposed to be an ironic indictment of 80s style excess?  Is using the song literally as bad as politicians using "Born in the USA" on the campaign trail?

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Other people corroborated Jericho's story about Mickey Rourke and Vince so I don't think you need to take that much of a pinch of salt with that one.

@Elsalvajelocothe biggest mindfuck for me is that MGK's album is a pop punk album. I think I just found that out a couple weeks ago. I'm tempted to give it a listen to see how it holds up. As for AC/DC's album, I only knew of it because it got promoted with the SmackDown on Fox stuff. For whatever reason, both WWE and AEW promoted that album's release. I also haven't listened to that yet.

One final thing about Bad Bunny, I know they don't look a ton alike, but Bad Bunny makes me think of Rocky Romero for whatever reason. 

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2 hours ago, Technico Support said:

BTW isn't Big Time supposed to be an ironic indictment of 80s style excess?  Is using the song literally as bad as politicians using "Born in the USA" on the campaign trail?

Yes.  Gabriel has said in interviews that he intended the song to be a negative critique of commercialism and materialism (not that it's hard to get that on your own if you listen to the lyrics).

The Bad Bunny thing is weird.  i'm an upper middle-class white guy in his mid-40's, so it's not surprising that I'm out of touch with youth culture and current musical trends, but I didn't realize that I was this out of touch.  Bad Bunny seems to be a legitimately big deal, so I'm surprised that i haven't at least heard of him before he appeared on WWE tv.  I would have thought I'd be somewhat familiar with the name, but maybe not be able to name a song or tell you much about him.

Clearly, I am old and it is time to pull my pants up a foot past my waist and take a nap in the middle of the day.

I will say that, even knowing he's apparently a big deal, it's still lost on me.  I'm not reacting to him like a big deal so I'm probably not any more likely to watch RAW because he's on.  Honestly, I'm probably paying less attention than usual.  Miz/Morrison segments have been unwatchable for me lately (and I say that as someone who mostly likes both guys and is fine with Miz getting the belt) and Priest does nothing for me.  I haven't paid a lot of attention to Bad Bunny segments with those guys.

But, I'm not exactly a casual fan, and I'm either out of the company's target demo or on my  way out, so... does it matter?  I'm not the audience Vince and Bad Bunny are hoping to attract.

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12 hours ago, RIPPA said:

This is what happens when I have been up for hours - the combination of WWE, celebrities and Vince not knowing who people are got me to thinking about one of my favorite stories.

Remember it comes via Chris Jericho - so apply copious amounts of salt

 

Meltzer has told that story a couple of times, though I assume he has got it directly from Jericho as well. But I am pretty sure that Frank Shamrock is on the list of people Meltzer talks to (or at least did when he was still semi-relevant), so he would have been able to confirm at least the parts where the other side was involved in.

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