For Great Justice Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Demoting Keith Lee while allowing someone like Nia Jax to not just stink it up but routinely injure her coworkers for years is so messed up it almost feels like grounds for a lawsuit 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Infinit said: When was the last time Kona Reeves made NXT tv?? Keith Lee squashed him earlier this year, in the Before Times. Hell of a 6 year investment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 I always remember one of the guys from Ascension being in "development" for over a decade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 how much does one get paid per year if they're in year 6 of developmental? living year-round in Orlando is probably pretty good in the scheme of things. Imagine how much the people who had to live in Louisville for developmental wanted to get out of there 15 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 People used to make fun of WCW for paying Lanny Poffo to sit at home for years. But WWE surely does love paying people to go to the gym and work out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 That is the biggest problem with WWE "development" They need to wrestle fucking matches. It used to be what the Florida Loop was for and even that wasn't great since it was really 2 matches a week. And those days are officially over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 They should just allow more guys to take indie dates, like AEW does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 But then they'd get over on their own and they can't control it so they'll destroy it. They burn guys out on their debuts now. Their big moment is their career ending. Keith Lee is the easiest person to get over and they screwed that up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Now I do think it should be acknowledged that some of those dudes absolutely need more work but that is again more an issue with them calling people up like 6 months after they have started wrestling instead of the type of training they are getting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Cobra Commander said: how much does one get paid per year if they're in year 6 of developmental? living year-round in Orlando is probably pretty good in the scheme of things. Imagine how much the people who had to live in Louisville for developmental wanted to get out of there 15 years ago Guys in OVW used to occasionally mention that they don't make any money while cutting promos. Trailer Park Trash turned heel and cut a promo about how he could finally afford to move out of his trailer after he and Flash Flanagan won the tag titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Wasn't Madden on commentary for a while? I figured they had just decided to cut their loses with him as a worker and just have him do that till his contract ran out. Keith Lee being sent back is especially puzzling considering they just had that mini doc on him that aired after Takeover. You'd think they had plans for him with such a showcase. Splitting up Heavy Machinery was yet another boneheaded decision of taking a perfectly good tag team/stable and having all involved go on to nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, HumanChessgame said: Wasn't Madden on commentary for a while? 5 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 they committed fully to Brock Lesnar in 2002/2003 and he said Fuck It I'm Out in 2004 anyway to take a flyer on MAYBE being the last scrub on the Vikings' roster. they will never commit to developing a star again so that no one can leave them at the altar again [because it's a shit place to work so who wouldn't leave for Hollywood as soon as Hollywood became an option?] Vince is the teenage girl who lost their virginity to a scumbag of a boy who cheated on her, and thus learns to be jealous and controlling and smothering until everyone is driven away, proving her right. Until that first boy comes crawling back and she lets him walk all over her again. There thus "has to be" something wrong with Keith Lee and with everyone else who comes along so there's a rationale for not making them The One because The One will inevitably break their heart anew. No talking or even looking at other girls. Who is this "Under Armor" in your contact list, Shelton, is she prettier than me? You're screwing her on the side, aren't you? Fuck Off! Break up with them before they can break up with you. Fuck And Run. Hot and cold. Never commit. And it's always "they" who fucked up, didn't want it enough, etc. etc. Never risk feeling love and thus chancing heartbreak ever again. Sabotage relationships and partners as needed. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) It’s a top topic, but I don’t watch WWE. So for those watching is Keith Lee “Killing it”, or do you see something(Whether it’s the wrestler himself, or the creative) that’s not clicking? Edited December 12, 2020 by LoneWolf&Subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Are Lee, Otis, etc. actually demoted? I.E., sent back to NXT or whatever? The articles on Meltzet’s website doesn’t say anything about the wrestlers in question being removed from the main roster. What the writeup actually says is they were asked/told to take extra classes at the pc on Tuesday/Thursday (non-tv days). I’m a little confused. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 No they are still on the main roster but they have to attend a special class on Tuesdays and Thursdays now at the PC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 If I remember correctly - Dio also asked to go back to wrestling after that angle they did where Brock took him out at the announcers table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFistsJustFlips Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: Why wouldn’t they get Albert to train them? His US run was a failure(Due entirely to his look, and not being any bigger than most big guys in wrestling at the the time), but it’s pretty obvious he understands how to play a big man in the ring. Albert is the head of the whole system, he's got way too many responsibilities. They have like 100 people training at the PC at a time. Like 8 rings full of different classes. He's got to be able to be up to speed on all 100 workers' progresses and make sure everything is running smoothly. But the point is moot because you don't have to be a big guy to explain how to work like a big guy. I'm sure experience big men workers have a few more tricks in their bag, but any performer that understands ring work at a high level, like a Gulak or Pearce, can definitely explain the psychology of why a big man works how he should. Just like most big men could probably explain how to work like a small guy to green small guys. Working a match isn't a one person job. There's always at least two involved. You get a lot of experience and knowledge of styles that aren't your own just by planning a match. And picking the person's brain asking why they do it that way, ect. I bet Shawn Michaels could explain the ins and outs of why Undertaker does a lot of what he does during a match. I'm sure Undertaker could explain the ins and outs if why Shawn Michaels does a lot of what he does during a match. Regardless, this is fucking dumb. Keith Lee is a high end worker. Otis is acceptable for his spot on the card. Dabbo-kato & Dio have both been in the system for YEARS. If YEARS of classes haven't gotten it in their heads, I don't think one more is gonna do it. But whatever, Vince gonna Vince. 20 minutes ago, Eoae said: Are Lee, Otis, etc. actually demoted? I.E., sent back to NXT or whatever? The articles on Meltzet’s website doesn’t say anything about the wrestlers in question being removed from the main roster. What the writeup actually says is they were asked/told to take extra classes at the pc on Tuesday/Thursday (non-tv days). I’m a little confused. They are all still main roster guys. They work Monday or Friday. But on Tuesdays & Thursdays they are also now required to show up at the PC and do classes. Which everyone not on the main roster already does Monday-Friday. It's less of a demotion and more of an insult. Edited December 12, 2020 by NoFistsJustFlips 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: It’s a top topic, but I don’t watch WWE. So for those watching is Keith Lee “Killing it”, or do you see something(Whether it’s the wrestler himself, or the creative) that’s not clicking? The Wrestler is great. The creative... yeah. The creative is the creative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Robert s said: Who is Vince's Homer Simpson, the guy working for him forever, doing lot of shit over the years, sometimes doing (less than) the bare minimum to pass but Burns (Vince) never seems to remember? Ziggler? Bo Dallas? Kevin Dunn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 The guy who had El Gigante put pen to paper on a WWF contract is now the expert on how big men should work? Fuck out of here with that shit. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Smackdown will air on FS1 next week (12/18) due to the Pac 12 Championship being scheduled for Friday evening (thus meaning FOX will be airing it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) It's probably some bullshit like Keith doesn't smile enough or play to the hard camera bullshit or they want to water down his move set. Im sure it's completely stupid... but yes Nia remains to terrorize her co-workers and fans at home. Edited December 12, 2020 by Niners Fan in CT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, kafkonia said: Kevin Dunn? Dunn and Pritchard split the Smithers mantle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Dave Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Six String Orchestra said: Old man pauses yelling at cloud to yell at wrestlers. Their system works as intended, problem is it's Vince who has designed this Rube Goldbergesque machine. Who's next? I read an article once about how horrifying the workload is on Japanese pitchers from high school on, with some of them throwing two starts a week of 150+ pitches. It gets worse the higher up in the Japanese baseball system you get. Anyway, the quote that has always stuck with me is "succeeding as a pitcher in Japan is being the egg that gets thrown against the wall and doesn't crack." It almost feels that way with WWE developmental at this point. It's a system designed, intentionally or not, to produce failure. It's also crazy to me how quickly the list of guys who could be and have been main event guys somewhere else that WWE has turned into just "guys." -Cesaro -Nakamura -Roode -Samoa Joe (injuries did him in, tbf.) -Andrade -Aleister Black -Baszler -Ripley -Keith Lee -War Machine -Ricochet -Mustafa Ali That's the short list, and now it appears as thought they're getting ready to torpedo ANOTHER Bray Wyatt push for the sake of heating up Randy Orton. The WWE's roster management is laughably bad, and it's insane to me that with 5 hours of main roster tv time a week, they can't find something meaningful for all these people to do. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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