The Viceland Wrestling Documentaries

[The Great ML]

On 4/30/2025 at 3:46 PM, Cobra Commander said:

when did Feinstein go from "ECW tape guy" to "shoot interview" guy.. closer to 95/96?

Late 96 I want to say that Tommy Rich or New Jack was one of the first shoots conducted at the RF office

[SovietShooter]

Was Gilbert's shoot the first true "shoot interview" as we know them now?  I know there are things like the "Plan B" tape, and the Bruiser Brody clips, but was Gilbert's shoot the first time someone sat down in front of the camera and exposed the biz like that?

[odessasteps]

You had the Cornette SmW Fan Week q and a videos. Dont know if that’s considered the same thing. 

[zendragon]

Interesting episode on someone that I know of but not really familiar with. I gave Todd Gordon's book on early ECW a review in the book thread if your interested

[odessasteps]

Fwiw 

 

[SirSmUgly]

On 5/3/2025 at 8:44 PM, odessasteps said:

Fwiw 

 

I wondered about this. 

[Cobra Commander]

there was a long-ish BTS Halftime segment about wishing the Gilbert episode could have been longer and the things glossed over.

I wonder how many of the people not in the Gilbert episode just don't wanna talk even if it's been 30 years because he was their friend or whatever

[Curt McGirt]

I hope they do at least ask Missy for her own episode. 

[odessasteps]

On 5/5/2025 at 5:17 PM, Cobra Commander said:

there was a long-ish BTS Halftime segment about wishing the Gilbert episode could have been longer and the things glossed over.

I wonder how many of the people not in the Gilbert episode just don't wanna talk even if it's been 30 years because he was their friend or whatever

I havent listened yet, but JC’s review is also over an hour long. I agree with Kris and Bix there was enough for a 2 hour episode on Eddie, so that the Darkside folks would not have left so much along or tinkered with the timelines. 

[The Natural]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8q4X4TKo25c

Vice has put the full Mick Foley: Hell in a Cell episode on YouTube.

[Cobra Commander]

missed most of the first 10 minutes but they really had to pad this BJH episode with his shoot interview stories, didn't they?

[odessasteps]

You'd think a prison interview would be enough.  

[Cobra Commander]

I guess you can only get so much from a prison interview from someone who hasn't been convicted yet

[Peck]

Hulk Hogan even thinks Billy Jack lies too much.

[odessasteps]

Need to hear from the new standard, Dwayne.

[hammerva]

It is never a good sign when you ask your attorney about something and all they can say is "Well It happened" .  And it was about something as minor as him leaving the WWF which if there was something strange it would be the lowest one on his totem pole

Also not sure why they are trying to make us think that Ken Patera and Billy Jack Haynes was a serious team 

Hilarious that he tells every shoot interview he could find about his drug deals and work but now he needs to talk to his attorney about it.  

Edited May 7, 2025 by hammerva

[SirSmUgly]

The thing about cutting on a firehose of lies is that you can mix a few truths in there, but the spray of stories and claims is so intense that it's impossible to pick those truths out from the lies. 

In other words, this BJH episode was a doozy. 

EDIT: And Haynes in the pageboy haircut like he was an aged PNW Prince Valiant was amazing. 

Edited May 7, 2025 by SirSmUgly

[Cobra Commander]

if you're BJH's defense attorney, your best chance of not being convicted has to involve a scan showing that the dude has massive brain damage, right?

[Cobra Commander]

watching my taping of the BJH episode to see the part I missed and I didn't know that he really hadn't been around for long before 1984

Fonzie making the most of his time though

Edited May 8, 2025 by Cobra Commander

[Cobra Commander]

saw the last 2/3rds of the Sheik episode, gonna watch the rest from the recording

on one hand, Sheik sure does have a lot of attractive granddaughters on this episode, on the other hand, having a 70 year old man throw a fireball at you because you're a bad boyfriend is tough

also, the photos of Sheik from the 70s had a "dude who owns a pawn shop" dynamic to them

a skinny talking Abdullah will always be weird.. meanwhile, Dory's a very soft-spoken old man these days

Edited May 14, 2025 by Cobra Commander

[odessasteps]

Dory was a soft spoken old man in the 70s.

[hammerva]

i loved the idea that you had to keep kayfabe so much that when wrestlers would eat together at his house the babyface would be at one table and the heels would eat at another table in maybe another room.   Although isn't kayfabe already broke by having them in the same building to begin with.   I mean it would be some 3D chess kind of shit if they had to schedule it  like babyfaces get to the house at 8:30 and heels have to show up at 9  

The story about Bobo Brazil actually getting a pin against the Sheik around the time of the Detroit riots was great and extremely smart business.   Of course Jim saying that he won clean two weeks later kind of negates it some but an A+ for effort.

Had no idea that when he threw the fireball on Mr JL at the WCW PPV he had already broke his leg.   I guess because he was so immobile at that point that we could barely notice 

Edited May 14, 2025 by hammerva

[SirSmUgly]

I sense that I already know the answer to this question, but I'll ask anyway: How much Detroit is preserved on tape? 

[Curt McGirt]

18 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

also, the photos of Sheik from the 70s had a "dude who owns a pawn shop" dynamic to them

The photo of him and the two guys on either side is one of the baddest ass, greasiest photo of any wrestler ever. It's like the one in Harley Race's book with him, Dory, and Jack Brisco. I don't know who those two guys are but they look like two mafioso representing the Sheik in a business deal and somehow got caught in a backstage meeting; it's like Sheik immediately goes into kayfabe pulling a crazy face with blood running down his forehead and the other two dudes, the one on the left has this super arrogant smirk on his face, and the one on the right has this stare with these eyes like he owns your ass. Those guys absolutely had to have been mobbed up, but beyond that, all three are absolutely staring a hole through you, especially Sheik. It's somehow comical and at the same time deadly serious. If I could have that on paper I would frame it and put it on my wall, just for how outré it looks.

EDIT: There is another black and white photo with Sheik, dressed like a pimp with non-prescription glasses and an ENORMOUS ring on his index finger, standing next to Abdullah who is wearing a high-waist belt with a big ass buckle, sunglasses, a V-neck shirt with collar, a pair of shades and a fucking itty-bitty pen-nib goatee. They look like they are going to go out and rake up a million in chips from a casino. It's unbelievable.

Edited May 14, 2025 by Curt McGirt

[RazorbladeKiss87]

19 hours ago, SirSmUgly said:

I sense that I already know the answer to this question, but I'll ask anyway: How much Detroit is preserved on tape? 

I don't think a ton. I have a 10 disc set but beyond that I don't know for sure.