The Viceland Wrestling Documentaries

[The Natural]

 

[Curt McGirt]

Coincidentally I revisited a couple episodes from the last season today (UWF/Herbie, Dr. D., Road Warriors, New Jack). Jericho sounded drunk in all of them. 

I wonder what this episode is gonna be about. FMW? XPW? 

[The Natural]

2 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

Coincidentally I revisited a couple episodes from the last season today (UWF/Herbie, Dr. D., Road Warriors, New Jack). Jericho sounded drunk in all of them. 

I wonder what this episode is gonna be about. FMW? XPW? 

It's one of the two as both are getting episodes.

[Shartnado]

1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:

Jericho sounded drunk in all of them.

This is my shocked face ._.

[HumanChessgame]

2 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

Coincidentally I revisited a couple episodes from the last season today (UWF/Herbie, Dr. D., Road Warriors, New Jack). Jericho sounded drunk in all of them. 

I wonder what this episode is gonna be about. FMW? XPW? 

Isn't there going to be a Nick Gage episode? It could be that one.

[The Natural]

37 minutes ago, HumanChessgame said:

Isn't there going to be a Nick Gage episode? It could be that one.

Good shout. Forgot that one.

[RIPPA]

The way Meltzer phrased it - Jericho is the narrator for all Season 3 episodes 

[Technico Support]

Meltzer mentioned that he was being interviewed for the new episodes last weekend.  He mentioned that he was being interviewed for the Pillman one and another one that he actually had to spend time the night before refreshing his memory.  He wouldn't say what it was because it hadn't been announced yet, but later in the podcast he casually said something to the effect of he'd been reading a lot about Rick Rude lately, so maybe those things are related?  Dunno.  Dave's mind is a convoluted, strange place and deciphering him is sometimes a fool's errand.

[Casey]

On 2/9/2021 at 2:21 AM, HumanChessgame said:

Isn't there going to be a Nick Gage episode? It could be that one.

It would seem that it's confirmed now.

[Curt McGirt]

Dark Side of the Ring Confidential will premiere on Tuesday, March 9th. I guess it's gonna be an extra footage/post-show commentary deal. 

[PetrolCB]

With Conrad the Alabama Dream I think.

Better than Chris Gethard. Sorry Gregg. 

Chris's call in show was good though. There's my praise.

Edited February 23, 2021 by PetrolCB

[Curt McGirt]

Yeah, thought I heard Conrad's voice. So for some here YMMV

Now that I think of it I guess this is gonna be the same thing as last year where they just threw in extra footage and had interviews. 

[odessasteps]

I don't like the trend of stuff I'm interested in being affiliated with people that will keep me from patronizing it.

[Elsalvajeloco]

42 minutes ago, odessasteps said:

I don't like the trend of stuff I'm interested in being affiliated with people that will keep me from patronizing it.

Yeah, I don't like Bix either.

Wait...who are we talking about again?

[odessasteps]

To each their own.

[Elsalvajeloco]

5 minutes ago, odessasteps said:

To each their own.

Shit, does that person post here? Cause I don't think people are going to get mad naming names.

Also: It's not like they haven't had divisive people on this show before. There is at least one person on these shows someone doesn't like. Hell, the narrator probably doesn't rub people the right way either. This is probably the wrong show to fight that battle for.

[odessasteps]

Oh, I meant that everyone has their own “that person” but that it’s different for each person. Heck, for Dark Side, you apparently can choose from : Bix, Corny, Jericho, Dutch and now Conrad. 

[Elsalvajeloco]

13 minutes ago, odessasteps said:

Oh, I meant that everyone has their own “that person” but that it’s different for each person. Heck, for Dark Side, you apparently can choose from : Bix, Corny, Jericho, Dutch and now Conrad. 

Don't forget ole Bruce P! Meltzer too. Can't forget Russo. It's basically a cavalcade of folks the IWC doesn't like but also a segment of the IWC loves religiously.

And speaking of Dutch, I was watching some old Knoxville stuff the other night. He was cutting this promo with Dennis Condrey beside him, and he goes on this tirade: "....And I don't like Indians. Why? Cause they remind me of Mexicans! And I don't like Mexicans!"

Boy, at one point, you could just say anything in pro wrestling. ANYTHING.

[odessasteps]

I hope he at least was a heel.

I noticed on Twitter we just passed the anniversary of heel DWB burning the stars and bars in SMW. 

[Technico Support]

NICE!  We can get Conman Thompson hamfistedly shoehorning contrived catchphrases into every conversation to sell t-shirts on Vice.  Button on a fur coat!  Fuck Dave Meltzer!  Low key big hog!    I'd call him a parasite on the wrestling industry but I guess it's admirable in a weird way how the guy built up a business from being the American version of what we'd call a "sponsor" in Japan.  Dude paid his way in and is now Ric Flair's son in law.  God, what a gross business this is sometimes.

 

Edited February 24, 2021 by Technico Support

[Elsalvajeloco]

1 hour ago, Technico Support said:

NICE!  We can get Conman Thompson hamfistedly shoehorning contrived catchphrases into every conversation to sell t-shirts on Vice.  Button on a fur coat!  Fuck Dave Meltzer!  Low key big hog!    I'd call him a parasite on the wrestling industry but I guess it's admirable in a weird way how the guy built up a business from being the American version of what we'd call a "sponsor" in Japan.  Dude paid his way in and is now Ric Flair's son in law.  God, what a gross business this is sometimes.

I'm missing something here? How is that a con?

[Technico Support]

1 hour ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

I'm missing something here? How is that a con?

Okay, so maybe not a conman per se but definitely just a skeevy, disingenuous dude who is constantly trying to sell you something.  Dude's a huckster and nothing more.  I grew to hate his show with Prichard when it became clear that 1) Prichard was a lying carny just trying to stay in Vince's good graces and 2) Conrad realized the formula to the show was just be controversial and to inorganically create catchphrases and repeat them constantly to sell shirts.  #2 really hit me after the Schiavone show had been on for a bit and the same thing started happening there.  When that happens, you start to feel like every Conrad show is nothing but a cynical cash grab.  I don't begrudge anyone for wanting to make money, but don't make me feel like a mark (in the con man sense, not the wrestling sense) for listening to your show.

Don't be Gene Simmons just constantly trying to take your audience for every dime, you know?

[Elsalvajeloco]

34 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

Okay, so maybe not a conman per se but definitely just a skeevy, disingenuous dude who is constantly trying to sell you something.  Dude's a huckster and nothing more.  I grew to hate his show with Prichard when it became clear that 1) Prichard was a lying carny just trying to stay in Vince's good graces and 2) Conrad realized the formula to the show was just be controversial and to inorganically create catchphrases and repeat them constantly to sell shirts.  #2 really hit me after the Schiavone show had been on for a bit and the same thing started happening there.  When that happens, you start to feel like every Conrad show is nothing but a cynical cash grab.  I don't begrudge anyone for wanting to make money, but don't make me feel like a mark (in the con man sense, not the wrestling sense) for listening to your show.

Don't be Gene Simmons just constantly trying to take your audience for every dime, you know?

There is stuff about all his co-hosts personalities that rub me the wrong way (save for Arn), but I don't think he's a hucksters as much he knew there was lane open especially with older and lapsed fans. That doesn't really make him a huckster especially when 95% of wrestling audience gravitates towards buying shit. Wrestling fans buy random and useless shit. He's not exactly exploiting a poor class of people who doesn't have the money. In addition, I think he knows his shows are YMMV type of shows. He is catering to certain types of wrestling fans (based on the WHW switch to just 1986 stuff, old time JCP/GCW/MACW fans really since that's his favorite stuff) instead of this catch all, phony mainstream type of wrestling podcast.

Up until recently with the Jim Herd, Tully, and both David and Jim Crockett Jr. stuff he's doing now, he was dead set against doing interviews and having guests. Based on all the folks he knows, he could have made money off that YEARS ago. However, he didn't. If you're a grifter, that's one of the first things you do. Moreover, getting those people on record is pretty intriguing if you're a hardcore wrestling fan. He's not exactly lobbing them softballs either. I mean the Tully one (it's one of the recent Arn Show episodes) for example...Tully goes into detail about the downfall of his career. If Conrad was a shyster, it could have been just two hours of effusive praise and verbally fellating him for his work in AEW. Instead that's almost literally 1% of the interview.

I think a lot this stuff is completely overblown. It's fine if folks don't like his shows, but the dislike for him if that's all is certainly irrational.

[NikoBaltimore]

Especially compared to other folks I don't much issue with Conrad.  But after reading about his style for a lot of the shows I just don't have interest in checking them out.  Heck, the last one with him I regularly listened to was the Flair one and I don't remember anything being bad about him.  Maybe he was just being a good boy since he's married into the family.

I also can't hate the guy because while he had no shame in reveling in it he did do the Starrcast shows.  So if he's the main reason why I was able to meet some awesome people and see Mox's interview live then he's okay in my book.

[Elsalvajeloco]

I would say that Conrad has tone down t-shirt hawking/catchphrase stuff because when he started most of these shows, his co-hosts were either out-of-work (Tony was doing radio for UGA sports but I mean wrestling work) and/or between wrestling gigs. Bruce was with MLW, Eric was just in Wyoming with his wife, and Tony was doing work off and on with MLW. JR was doing whatever the fuck he was doing at the time.

If I'm doing a wrestling podcast early in the morning, I would want to be compensated. All that stuff was a means to compensate his hosts, which is the right thing to do because they bring value to his platform. Now all those dudes (including Eric for the brief time he was back with WWE) are or were with either WWE or AEW. Thus, he doesn't feel the need to do it as much. In addition, he dropped stuff like Tony Reads Rap cause god knows Schiavone would DEFINITELY say something to get fired.