Tabe Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Kevin Wilson said: My greatest Grading Shame is many years ago, I helped my step-dad go through his baseball card collection from when he was a kid. Had some older Mantles, Ryan rookie, etc. I picked a bunch I thought would grade well, got the email they were done and one of the Mantles got a 2. And I'm like, a 2? WTF? I get it back and I hadn't noticed he had written all across the back in black pen Hahahahaha, that's hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 8:59 PM, Kevin Wilson said: My greatest Grading Shame is many years ago, I helped my step-dad go through his baseball card collection from when he was a kid. Had some older Mantles, Ryan rookie, etc. I picked a bunch I thought would grade well, got the email they were done and one of the Mantles got a 2. And I'm like, a 2? WTF? I get it back and I hadn't noticed he had written all across the back in black pen Other funny thing is that even a PSA 2 of a 1950's Mickey Mantle could get you at least a grand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted July 20, 2021 Author Share Posted July 20, 2021 Got the cards in, my one Gem 10. Really like the SGC slabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 I've been collecting cards for 30 years and this is probably the best card I've ever pulled. Unreal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Yeah, that's a pretty amazing card. So Leaf has resurrected the Pro Set name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) It is weird in 2021 to see the idea of cards that don't have license of the actual organization. They have the recent players but the generic no label jersey look like it is the 1977 NFL set Although those cards of the current NFL rookies in the style of 1989 Pro Set card is really cool looking Edited July 30, 2021 by hammerva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 22 hours ago, Tabe said: Yeah, that's a pretty amazing card. So Leaf has resurrected the Pro Set name? Yea, this is the first new year of it. Wikipedia just says that Leaf "assumed control" of the trademark, didn't realize Pro Set filed bankruptcy back in 1992. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, hammerva said: It is weird in 2021 to see the idea of cards that don't have license of the actual organization. They have the recent players but the generic no label jersey look like it is the 1977 NFL set Although those cards of the current NFL rookies in the style of 1989 Pro Set card is really cool looking I agree. It doesn't stop me from buying them but it definitely gives them a different look. I am just mostly used to it since with baseball, only Topps has the official license so even Panini and Donruss can't have the team logos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizium Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 I hope they also resurrected the Pro Set tradition of lots and lots of error cards (Though the 91-92 hockey set is still one of my favourites ever. Big photo on the front, the simple black bar for the name and team logo looks sharp as hell) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 I had a wax case of pro set hockey at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Watching videos of the National Card show convention in Chicago on YouTube is not healthy when you are constantly looking at your checking account. The crowd is absolutely insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Big news of the day is that PWCC, the largest seller of cards (of all kinds) on Ebay has been suspended from the platform for shilling their auctions. All of their auctions and listings - over 50,000 of them - have been pulled. Ebay sent an email to a seemingly-random group of people in which they flat-out said that PWCC was shilling. PWCC has denied it, of course. The funny thing about this is that PWCC shilling isn't even remotely new news. They were doing it 5+ years ago before getting caught and then pretending they'd help Ebay eliminate shill bidding. When both Ebay and PWCC figured out that doing that would hurt their own respective bottom lines, the whole thing was quietly dropped. PWCC has also been widely implicated in the graded card trimming scandal, a case that the feds have supposedly been looking into for over two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Beyond the blatantly false headline (Topps hasn't had a "grip" on the trading card market in 40 years), this is huge news. First time since 1950 that Topps will be unable to make major league baseball cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Combined with reports that Panini is trying to get NBA and NFL deals as well, it is stunning news. I would say this is a sad day but eventually Topps was going to be way behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Sabin Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 I Heard about this news while inside the New Card Shop we have in Town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 What a week for sports card news. Also some grumblings that Topps is also losing WWE as well, and they already lost UFC this year to Panini. Not sure what Topps' long term plan is at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, hammerva said: Combined with reports that Panini is trying to get NBA and NFL deals as well, it is stunning news. I would say this is a sad day but eventually Topps was going to be way behind This new company has already landed licenses from MLBPA, NFLPA, and NBAPA. The NFL has ownership in the company, as does MLB and at least two of the three unions I mentioned. Panini is finished as an NFL licensee. Edited August 20, 2021 by Tabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 The transition is going to be wonky if they don't work out some deals. Topps deal with MLB is longer than their deal with MLBPA (not sure who drew that up) so while Fanatics gets the MLBPA licensing rights in 2023, they don't get the team rights until 2025. So for two years, in theory Topps can make... I dunno, team cards with logos but not use the players, while Fanatics can make cards with the players but no logos. I assume they will fix this, either buying out Topps two years early or something, otherwise its going to be weird having two years of no cards with both players and proper logos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Topps presents the managers and coaches of baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 And more news - Topps was planning on going public... but then they lost the MLB deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdA Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Boy. I really fell out of the loop with the whole card market until this happened. Now I am just catching all I missed. I don't need a tutorial on all that. Where I am fuzzy is - I am seeing A LOT of hate for Fanatics with the natural assumption they will corner the market on cards (obviously baseball is a done deal MORE SO because they were already in bed with the league). Basically, I am seeing Fanatics has a bad rap for quality especially and their customer service seems bad. I've never had the "pleasure" of dealing with Fanatics. Are they that bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 I have never had issues using them but granted I haven't done it much. The biggest issue in terms of card collecting is they have never done it. They have sold them so I guess they aren't completely blind on this. This would be like Dick's Sporting Goods getting the license to the NBA cards. Just because you sell a million T shirts doesn't mean you understand how to create 4 or 5 sets that both the hobby and retail would be intrigued by 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, RIPPA said: And more news - Topps was planning on going public... but then they lost the MLB deal This is exactly what Fanatics wanted. They will certainly swoop in and pick up Topps. And probably continue using the Topps name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, EdA said: Where I am fuzzy is - I am seeing A LOT of hate for Fanatics with the natural assumption they will corner the market on cards (obviously baseball is a done deal MORE SO because they were already in bed with the league). Basically, I am seeing Fanatics has a bad rap for quality especially and their customer service seems bad. I've never had the "pleasure" of dealing with Fanatics. Are they that bad? As with all licensed league apparel, their stuff tends to be overpriced. In the case of their hockey stuff, the jerseys are not accurate and so get a lot of hate from collectors. Some swear by them as they are apparently quite comfortable - but they're more like sweatshirts than jerseys, which jersey people hate. And the quality is not great. And, as I said, they're not accurate. They produced a Red Wings jersey with gray/silver numbers on it, for example - Detroit has white numbers. Stuff like that. Most of the concerns, though, I think boil down to, "OMG! They're not Topps!", "OMG! They've never done this before!", and "OMG! They'll raise prices on everything!" Well, I expect the Topps name to be acquired. And the Topps facilities. So that handles the first two. For the last, I'm not sure how much more prices can go up. Topps already sells a product that's $20,000 a box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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