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[MM15] R1: JAY LETHAL vs. THE PANTHER (Cachorro)

JAY LETHAL VS. THE PANTHER 64 members have voted

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Jay Lethal is not related to Blue Panther so fuck him too

Cachorro/Panther is just so fucking excited to be a wrestler. He's another one of my favorite luchadors to watch, full stop.

The Panther is amazingly good for a legit rookie.

 

I will say this for Lethal - the way he was booked and his character made him a reasonably interesting part of ROH tv for much of the voting period.  But the guy still sucks in the ring and he's no Cachorro

Lethal's character work always makes me wonder if the hate on him in some corners has gone too far, and then I watch him wrestle and I back off that ledge. The problem I have with him as a wrestler is that throughout his entire career, I have only seen him be really high-end in one area and that is as an underdog getting his ass kicked. I thought his comedy stuff was rehashed and meh, his high flying doesn't stack up with ACH or even AJ still, and his wrestling still leaves a lot to be desired and doesn't have much focus.

 

Panther on the other hand is a fabulous flyer and a breath of fresh air on the CMLL landscape along with Cavernario. Easy choice here for me.

You know when you're talking to someone and they are like 'I really love movies' and when you ask which ones they say something like 'Shawshank Redemption' and it's all you need to hear to understand that your tastes either jive or don't with that person? Jay Lethal is like the wrestling equivalent of that for me. If someone is like 'yo check out this awesome Jay Lethal match he's so good at wrestling' I know 100% that I have really different opinions with that person.

I like how if I feel that either Jay Lethal or The Shawshank Redemption is insulted by that comparison, I know my opinions on wrestling and/or movies will not jibe with yours.

I used Shawshank because it's a movie that is obviously well constructed and well received, but it caters to a different crowd than me. I didn't mean it to say both are shitty. It's just one of those things where if you really like Shawshank (or Jay Lethal) I'm probably going to value different things than you, even if your opinion is otherwise thorough and well reasoned.

Edit: as an aside, is the word really 'jibe'? Have I been getting it wrong this whole time? Is it interchangeable with jive, which could have similar meaning in this sense? Important questions.

Per Wiktionary: ""Jibe" and "jive" have been used interchangeably in the U.S. to indicate the concept "to agree or accord." While one recent dictionary accepts this usage of "jive," most sources consider it to be in error."

Pretty much anyone vs. Lethal would get my vote.

So many lucha guys are going to lose in the second round this year.

so are a bunch of WWE guys, and european guys, and Japanese guys.

 

in fact I'd say about 16 of 'em are gonna lose. Call me a cynic, but I gotta keep it real.

Lethal has been great in character this year in the House of Truth but come on.  He shouldn't beat Panther.

This is quite the battle of people who should've picked better names.

I voted Lethal strictly off his character.  The guy is doing his damndest to make the TV title seem very important, and I'm loving his promos.  Never thought him turning heel would be the best thing to happen to a guy as nice as he is.  Taking his matches into consideration, it's understandable if people are going with Panther instead.  But tournament results be damned, I'm a Jay Lethal fan.

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Lethal - 13

Panther - 51

 

The Panther moves on

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