Bustronaut Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Kay Lee Ray and two other wrestling women came through our local group last year on their way to WM weekend in NOLA, and you could track their roadtrip via dates they were working. and these were INTERNATIONALLY known wrestlers. That little bar fed probably didn't know of any other women in a 300 mile radius. BTW, was that a British fed? All the women's UK matches I've seen are shot like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoeCristyV.1.6 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I think least of the problem of that video is that it's intergender. That border toss is just sick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Z Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Just a few days ago I watched Kevin Steen & Adam Cole vs. Joey Ryan & Candice LeRae from last year's PWG DDT4 and I thought it really worked well there. Steen & Cole were ganging up on LeRae and it was cringeworthy at first, but for once the bad guys were actually booed and the good guys cheered. The hot tag to Ryan was so much the sweeter, when it eventually happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I guess not many of you are watching Lucha Underground. They've been pushing the intergender thing pretty hard (a recent episode was 75% that, and happened to be their worst ep yet). Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, really depends on how they work the match. Ivelisse vs. Angelico was pretty decent while the Crew ganging up on Sexy Star is just shitty. I refuse to watch that video, btw 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 The problem is that most intergender wrestling on the indy's is presented like what we saw above. It's never done as a straight wrestling match that shows that the woman is just as skilled as the man. If you want to shatter a barrier, put a ladies match in a meaningful main event or as anything other than eye candy. Chikara have done that, they had Eddie Kingston vs Sara Del Rey for the title shortly before Sara went off to the performance centre. Chikara have always pulled it off well. SDR was presented as being equal to Quack and King when she worked them. They brought in Manami Toyoda and it worked perfectly and it was respectful to all parties involved. It wasn't garbage match nonsense, or a dude beating the shit out of a woman just because he thought he had to. They didn't "do pretty good for a girl". It was great wrestlers facing great wrestlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Unprotected chairshots are unacceptable no matter what kind of genitals you have. And no, that was not protected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I think the problem is that this video will inevitably lead to more buys for a company like Beyond. Wrestling fans can be pretty shitty and a large percentage of them have no understanding of why that whole thing is bad. I was sent the "viral video" of it on Sunday night, and it already had 7,000 views. For a company that survives because of it's on demand streams for shows, I'm sure this whole thing was a windfall. Three weeks from now, most of the people who are shocked and appalled by this won't remember it, while I'm sure more than a few saw this video and decided to drop a couple bucks to see more broads getting whats coming to them. As far as I know, Beyond doesn't really do great attendance wise, and isn't built to. I'm sure the few extra buys because of this video is worth them losing a few fans that are rightfully turned off by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I kinda hate talking about intergender matches, because on the one hand, you have people understandably squicked out by man-on-woman violence, then on the other side, you have people who are big fans of it, and those people make you feel soiled just talking to them. I try to find that middle ground that is okay with it, so long as it's done well, e.g. a Claudio/SDR match from Chikara. That video is an example of it done very poorly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 So now the Rumblingz say that Joe is going to WWE. It's more than Rumblingz; Meltz pretty much said so on last night's WOR show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Well, shit, if someone on the internet can do it. Why haven't any of these wrestlers even thought about it? Me personally, I'd murder his whole family with well placed atomic drops, but that's just me. I don't take a backward theoretical step to anyone. How can you kill a person with an atomic drop? Radiation, obviously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I was going with the notion that you break their tailbone and severely impact their bladder with your knee to the point where you uncontrollably shit yourself to death, with the pool of shit appearing all over your trunks like a mushroom cloud. Ergo, Atomic Drop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Tell you what doesn't age well as an intergender match? Vince vs. Stephanie from No Mercy 2003. Watched that last night and it is just awkward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w. josh Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Assuming the rumblingz are true, I don't see Joe making the main roster, and I'm pretty okay with that. A Cesaro-like run in NXT followed by a long career as a trainer would probably make everyone happier in the long run than a Cesaro-like run on the main roster followed by a year of people arguing about whether misusing him is the worst thing in the history of the company or another wonderful piece of writing and storytelling that the IWC groupthink just doesn't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 The problem is that most intergender wrestling on the indy's is presented like what we saw above. It's never done as a straight wrestling match that shows that the woman is just as skilled as the man. If you want to shatter a barrier, put a ladies match in a meaningful main event or as anything other than eye candy. Chikara have done that, they had Eddie Kingston vs Sara Del Rey for the title shortly before Sara went off to the performance centre. Chikara have always pulled it off well. SDR was presented as being equal to Quack and King when she worked them. They brought in Manami Toyoda and it worked perfectly and it was respectful to all parties involved. It wasn't garbage match nonsense, or a dude beating the shit out of a woman just because he thought he had to. They didn't "do pretty good for a girl". It was great wrestlers facing great wrestlers. Co-signed, the only place I trust to do an intergender match is Chikara. They've always done well with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Here is some really nice writing from Lufisto regarding that situation: http://www.wrestlingdoneright.com/blog/lufisto-the-wsu-champion-weights-in-on-the-chris-dickinson-vs-kimber-lee-video 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Here is some really nice writing from Lufisto regarding that situation: http://www.wrestlingdoneright.com/blog/lufisto-the-wsu-champion-weights-in-on-the-chris-dickinson-vs-kimber-lee-video That was an amazing, must-read essay. - RAF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I don't think just "heavy thoughts" nails that piece. Fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Another former developmental wrestler wrote a letter about Bill DeMott, mostly telling the same stories, that he has now made public. https://www.facebook.com/TheSportsCourier/posts/10153027247041558:0 We have a followup to the Bill DeMott controversy via former WWE developmental talent and PWS star Kevin Matthews (follow him on Twitter: https://twitter.com/2CockyKM): To follow up on Austin's letter to WWE about Bill DeMott that was swept under the rug just like mine, here is yet another developmental talents letter to the office that was also swept under the rug that was just sent to me AND the talent Ryan Collins "Brandon Traven" was released weeks after sending it. Like I said you talk you get fired. Corrupt. [TSC Editors' note - strong language) Subject: LetterFrom: [email protected]Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:29:05 -0400 Mr. Canyon Ceman, I'm writing this letter today due to concerns I've had with the training. I've contemplated writing this for some time now. After seeing Harley Race this past week, and talking with him about my concerns for not only my training but my physical well being, he himself encouraged me to write a letter and not only that. He informed me to have anyone in the office to call him if they have any questions about any of the information I will be writing about. My overall biggest concern is about my safety. Before we took off for Holiday break I suffered a minor head injury. The thing about head injuries is you can't really tell how bad they are until you have proper time to rest. During the course of a practice, I got hit in the head during a drill. I felt very dizzy right away and stepped out of the ring. Practice was almost over that day and I told a few guys near me that I was dizzy. One suggested I might have just been dehydrated or in need of some food. I drank some water and ate a protein bar and I did feel a lot better as the day went. I decided to play the next day of training by ear and see how I felt. I stretched out and did a few rolls in the ring. After just a couple of rolls I felt very dizzy again and saw the trainer. That day our usual trainer Brian Duncan was on the road. And a substitute trainer attended to me. As I was setting on the table, she examined my eyes and reaction time. Eventually Coach DeMott came in asking what happened. I told him the story of how everything happened, he then accused me of making things worse. Which is not uncommon as Coach DeMott gets angry and standoffish at any sign of injury. The main part of this story that angers me is that as he was leaving the trainers room, Coach DeMott slapped me on top of the head. This really angered me as I don't believe he has right to put hands on anyone especially like that. I was lucky that my head injury wasn't too serious. His negligence in this situation could have worsened my injury. I have also grown very tired of how Coach DeMott has constantly bullied us. Whether by physically hitting us, or by calling us gay. He has on numerous occasions alluded to me being gay. His favorite phrase is "half a sissy" not to mention him calling me and others "faggots" Coach DeMott has also on several occasions grabbed the bottom rope while we are watching practice and pull it back to hit everyone in the face while they are paying attention to instruction. I personally don't understand his destructive and bullying nature. While talking with Harley this week about countless unproductive or straight up dangerous drills he encouraged this letter and told me to include that all parties who read it should call him to talk further. Harley agreed that we should not be subjective to physical, or verbal abuse. He was very angry about hearing the information I shared and more than anything didn't understand why he has us doing unproductive drills to begin with, as opposed to having practice matches which we have only done on a few occasions. In fact upon Harley hearing the story of Coach DeMott hitting me on the head after a head injury, Harley was very angered by this. In five years of training with Harley I never felt unsafe or in danger of suffering a career threatening injury much like I have here.I have also witnessed Coach DeMott try to rip a t-shirt off Alexander Rusev, shortly after he had neck surgery. He has on numerous occasions called Oliver Grey (JoelPettyfer) Pedophile, smacked Enzo Amore (Eric Arndt) in the mouth. He has also told Enzo to kill himself on atleast one occassion that I heard with my own ears. Morale amongst us, is constantly low and is only getting worse. However on the flip side Steve Keirn, Ricky Steamboat, Terry Taylor and Billy Gunn have all been positive influences since joining this company. The reason I haven't said anything until now, is fear of either losing my job or how Coach DeMott will treat me moving forward. As he already treats me and some others very badly. I decided to go ahead and write as I feel now, nothing will change if I don't speak up. And I hope I can count on your discretion on this matter. Thank You, Ryan Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Faulconer Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 AAA always did intergender matches really well. They have a man/woman tag title and those really entertaining luchaore/mini/luchadora/exotico 6 or 8 man tags too. Chikara did it pretty well although I stopped watching for unrelated reasons four years ago so I can't say how they pull it off in 2015 Those bumps in that Beyond clip were reckless. They were (presumably) paid for it so just ignore it and it will go away. WWE Network has a library of intergender violence covering several of their most popular years. The Dudleys built a career on it. Steve Austin did that to Debra in real ife. The network has over a million subscribers and Austin has a very popular podcast. Maybe the smaller promotions wouldn't copy the big leagues if fans didn't already support it with $9.99 every month. This press will probably hurt some smaller promotions financially. WWE probably has countless hours of that sort of violence and they will continue to make money off of their footage without any consequences. It isn't really fair to demonize the smaller promotions and damn them financially when WWE is still treated like God's gift to wrestling fans. None of the promotions do that on any relevant scale at this point. Those smaller promotions wouldn't do it at all if WWE hadn't proven that you can make money from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MADCAP Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Pussies. Imagine if they were trained by Hiro Matsuda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Cibernetico Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I read her blog and its very honest. It's not worth it. The high-spots, the insanity, etc. its not worth the brain damage, the pain medication addiction, or in this case an honesty and depressing blog read. The pressure of women in the business is not only because the men (who are the majority of the front office/fans/consumers of merch/etc., but also because of the unrealistic expectations and standards that women have for themselves that in part is based off of adolescent encouragement and 'perceived' social norm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoarr Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 How is Kimber Lee actually doing now? Doesn't this stuff just feed into her credibility from the hardcore Independent wresting fans who hate all things WWE? Not being a dick, but she's retweeting praise for her "insane awesome match". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Well, it's definitely insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Trips has had his finger on the IWC's pulse for awhile now, there's no way they sign Joe and don't put him on TV unless he's way too out of shape. He has a lot of wear and tear, but if he decides to retire at 40, he'll have a good 5 years on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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