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Passing the time on night shift watching the Roman Reigns Chronicle special. This thing starts off with our intrepid off screen interviewer asking Roman if he felt guilty not sharing his cancer battles on air before now so he could spread awareness and help people. And I get that idea in theory, but Jesus H. Christ what kind of question is that? Roman, or any other wrestler, owes us nothing about their personal lives. He chooses to share, great. But to ask a man if he feels guilty about not wanting to go public about something that is scary as shit and is hard for anyone to deal with? Screw all that.

Now ask him if he felt guilty about wearing a man bun at the WrestleMania:Pirate Ship press conference. THAT is something to regret

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I think it is more like "Found Match that we were hoping would be forever lost".  Luckily you can't just hide things like you used to.  Interested if the documentary will be legit or more of a mockumentary given one of the people in the match.  I would be interested in why they felt the need to hide it that much

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Overly Critical Man said:

I think the story was that Bret owned the master copy and they bought it back from him after a bunch of interest was stirred up for the match recently.

Unless things have been updated, I don’t think that’s how dave explained it a couple weeks ago.  

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So I guess the WWE is trying to tell me to upgrade my technology

Apparently when they mention "Windows 10 Desktop" there is an actual WWE Network app on Windows that won't work anymore.  You can see it from the browser apparently.  Although I am pretty sure my phone is 2016.   Oh well Roku is still good

 

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Shit, now I have to use it on Playstation 4 instead of on Playstation 3. I prefered PS3 as there I could control everything (thanks to having a Sony TV) with my TV remote. On PS4, I have to use the controller instead.

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So how long was Magee in the business when the Bret Hart match occurred?   I mean you can see why people thought he would be great given his look and some of the flips he could do and his arm drag was really good.  But yeah his basics are really weak and just seems very rigid in the ring.   We will never know but I bet with a couple years of house show seasoning he could have been something.   It seems (I say seemed) like they didn't want to over-expose him when he probably needed all of it besides Stampede.   

I find it extremely odd that he had no idea what the WWE thought of him.  Maybe he forgot after all those years but Vince loves to blow smoke up people's ass and here is the next Hogan in their mind and kept it to themselves.  Maybe he was so young that they were worried about his ego.  I know that the 2019 version seemed extremely down to earth cool guy.

 

 

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Bret definitely got the crowd jacked.  I can see why people in the back were ecstatic.  Bret carried the shit out of him,  his movement was awkward.  Bret did some great bumping,  stooging and made everything the guy did (which wasn't much) look like gold. I'm satisfied. 

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I enjoyed the match and honestly would say it lived up to the hype.  Magee definitely was stiff in some places (and that awkwardness was still there in the DiBiase match two years later) but some of those leaps (especially the sunset flip mid-match) was crisp as shit.  Gorilla deserves some credit too as he was treating him like the next big thing on commentary.  Not a five-star masterpiece or anything, but for a late 86 TV taping match that would have been fodder on Prime Time Wrestling, I thought it more than delivered.

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Absolutely loved the special. I was really happy to see Magee at the end. Dude seems like a genuinely nice guy, and doesn't appear to hold any grudges on what could have been.

A little confused at X-Pac's inclusion on this special, though. His talking as if he was in the company during the timeline - was that intentional? I thought he didn't come in till around 1993.

 

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Just now, The Green Meanie said:

Absolutely loved the special. I was really happy to see Magee at the end. Dude seems like a genuinely nice guy, and doesn't appear to hold any grudges on what could have been.

A little confused at X-Pac's inclusion on this special, though. His talking as if he was in the company during the timeline - was that intentional? I thought he didn't come in till around 1993.

 

He would have been like 14 at the time of the match I think?

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X-Pac was on there because he was at the Florida taping where McGee vs DiBiase took place, and he remembered it.

Good match, and Bret's story of "tell me three things you do well, and we will work those in" clearly happened. Hip toss, dropkick and sunset flip would be my guess for the three things he told him he could do. Hip tosses looked great, got good height on the dropkick, and the sunset flips were good too. He was a naturally athletic guy, who apparently could not pick up the psychology of wrestling to make it big. Seems like a nice guy, and glad that he got a payday out of this.

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My thoughts on the match...

This match was very modern. That’s the best way to tell it. It didn’t feel like a 1980s match at all.

However, the biggest thing that stands to mind is that there’s no way it would have worked in North America. One thing to keep in mind about the match: I don’t think Magee even throws a punch in the match. This would be a problem, because punches and kicks are so important in North American (and Japanese) wrestling, again especially at this time. It does seem like, if Magee went to Mexico (where's less punches/kicks) he could have been HUGE.

In addition, there was still the proof that Magee had flaws in his system in the match. He did a lot of dropkicks, and his dropkick was…not very good. It wasn’t Erik Watts-bad, but it wasn’t well-done. Most of the big stuff was armdrags, sunset flips, and very flippy floppy moves (again, it felt very "modern" in that aspect.)

Ultimately, I think that this proves that Tom Magee could have been a star, but the fact he wasn’t was the big tragedy of the WWE’s national rise. If WWE didn’t cannibalize the territories, he would have probably been able to learn how to throw better punches and kicks, been able to learn how to sell better- and he would have been a VERY BIG DEAL

Magee just happened at the worst possible time. If he came up in the 1970s, he’d have his weaknesses eliminated by the territories. If he came up in the 2000s, he’d have went to developmental and probably could have been awe-inspiring. But in 1986…he just didn’t have anywhere to truly LEARN THE CRAFT.

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