Wyld Samurai Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Does anyone know if WCW Saturday night will ever be on The Network? There's so much goodness there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 We can only hope and pray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Yuppie Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I interpreted "Sting was out of shape" as "Eric Bischoff is a lying sack of crap who let Hulk Hogan do whatever he wanted." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovchunky Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Where does the Sting/substance abuse stuff come from? I've never heard this anywhere, but have read it here multiple times. Can anybody expand? Was he just drinking too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 1 hour ago, lovchunky said: Where does the Sting/substance abuse stuff come from? I've never heard this anywhere, but have read it here multiple times. Can anybody expand? Was he just drinking too much? He's admitted in the past on interviews about his turning to God that he was mixing painkillers with alcohol through at least the first few years of the Crow gimmick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovchunky Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 It didn't really show IMO. I always chalked the Starrcade debacle up to Hogan's massive fucking ego. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 I'd be mixing pills and booze if I had to deal with Hogan, Bischoff, and the general disarray of WCW. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 On 4/17/2016 at 1:07 AM, twiztor said: can i get an exact issue where this was published? not that i'm doubting you, it's just something that i've never seen officially confirmed and would love to read it, context and all... April 11th issue. Quote Sting vs. Hogan, who had worked a match most had forgotten once on Nitro, had what was essentially an 18-month build for their Starrcade 97 match in Washington, DC. The match drew more than 600,000 buys and was the biggest PPV pro wrestling match that wasn’t under the WWE banner. The match was expected to wind up with Sting as the babyface world champion and make him a bigger star than ever. But it didn’t happen. There has been a ton of finger-pointing over the years. Hogan claimed Sting didn’t show up in shape and he had second thoughts about whether he should lose to him. But Sting’s cosmetic condition, while not at his best, really didn’t matter at that point after the long build. Hogan took most of the match, which probably should have been relatively short and simple with Sting making an explosive comeback and winning. Eric Bischoff, having just signed Bret Hart, and with the fallout of the 1997 Survivor Series being the biggest story, by far, in wrestling, wanted to take advantage of it. The idea was that referee Nick Patrick would give a fast count as Hogan pinned Sting, Hart would come out and say he couldn’t stand by and see Sting get screwed, and lead to the match restarting, where Sting would then make a big comeback and get the win. The problem is that Patrick did a normal count. For years Patrick claimed he thought he was doing a fast count, but that had no credibility. Finally Patrick said that Hogan asked him not to do a fast count, and that even though Bischoff told him the opposite, that he felt Hogan had more power than Bischoff so he did what Hogan told him to do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 34 minutes ago, lovchunky said: It didn't really show IMO. I always chalked the Starrcade debacle up to Hogan's massive fucking ego. I don't think anyone accused Sting of not being in condition to perform the night of the match. It was more that he had over a year off to build to the biggest match of his career and he spent it partying. So when he shows up in less than the best shape of his life it gives Hogan an opening to be Hogan. Sting actually produced and starred in a remarkably low budget biopic that I think was produced by his church about being saved from addiction. They use WCW footage somehow, but also shot some stuff with TNA. The whole thing's on YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 4 hours ago, Ace said: April 11th issue. he problem is that Patrick did a normal count. For years Patrick claimed he thought he was doing a fast count, but that had no credibility. Finally Patrick said that Hogan asked him not to do a fast count, and that even though Bischoff told him the opposite, that he felt Hogan had more power than Bischoff so he did what Hogan told him to do thank you for this. i just read the article in question. My query remains the same, which is: when did Patrick admit and "finally [say] that Hogan asked him not to do a fast count....." ? i can't find a source listed. Has anybody heard this admission in a shoot interview anywhere? I don't fully comprehend why, but this remains as my biggest hangup from the Monday Night Wars era. i'd love to get some closure here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlk23 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 So if Montreal doesn't happen, what's the Sting/Hogan finish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Roughly the same thing,minus Bret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 11 hours ago, tlk23 said: So if Montreal doesn't happen, what's the Sting/Hogan finish? This is WCW, they probably didn't have anything in mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlk23 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 So somebody else would have to come out in the Bret spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovchunky Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Table for 3 with Ric, Arn, and Tully is up. Unfortunately, it's only 20 minutes long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Only 20 minutes? I want to see the 40+ minutes they had to probably edit out due to something Flair was saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistah Na1m4rk Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 On 4/23/2016 at 10:47 AM, tlk23 said: So if Montreal doesn't happen, what's the Sting/Hogan finish? Ed Leslie runs in and hits Sting with a crowbar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 14 hours ago, Mistah Na1m4rk said: The Man With No Name runs in and hits Sting with a crowbar. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 On 28/04/2016 at 8:34 PM, Mistah Na1m4rk said: The man with no talent runs in and hits Sting with a high heeled shoe. FTFBothOfYou. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Yuppie Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 So after Clippers-Blazers (Austin Rivers got some color, buhgawd!) I watched the November 1987 Saturday Night's Main Event. I've long been of the opinion Savage should have been the face in the Megapowers Explode angle, but realize with No Holds Barred coming out in '89, Hogan had to still be the company's face, BROTHER. That said, this particular SNME, with Macho and Hogan in two different showcase matches, supports my belief Vince got Megapowers Explode wrong. In an awesome match against Bret Hart, Savage plays an excellent face. He's in peril because of ankle injury (sold brilliantly), but still an ass-kicker. He spends the match fighting Hart, but also protecting Elizabeth from Jimmy Hart and The Anvil. The crowd is white-hot for him and you could see the seeds planted for his title win a few months later at WM IV. Hogan's in the next match against King Kong Bundy. Andre and Heenan both interfere, grabbing Hulk's ankles at different points in the match (including Brain, setting up a Bundy win (!!!) by DQ), but KKB himself works clean. Hogan, on the other hand, cheats his ass off throughout, then pummels Heenan post-match. The crowd's still very much hot for Hulk; as much as Savage, but definitely not more. Hulk could have easily and believably been built slowly to a heel turn for WM V. Hell, you don't even have to change much about the angle except how the two guys are portrayed in vignettes and commentary. I think turning the reins over to Savage as the ace of the company would have been better for business long-term. EDIT: Meant to point out, in a promo after the Hogan match, Hercules points out how much Hogan cheated and that it's no different than the Heenan Family cheating. Interesting to see it mentioned so clearly. I wonder if there were plans to turn Hogan that got scrapped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Just re-watched One Night Stand 2006, and that show is a forgotten classic. I guess your mileage could vary slightly depending on you feel about some the vestiges of ECW culture, but the crowd was nuclear all night and pretty much every match delivered. I think it belongs among the top shows of the decade for WWE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 8 hours ago, Go2Sleep said: Just re-watched One Night Stand 2006, and that show is a forgotten classic. I guess your mileage could vary slightly depending on you feel about some the vestiges of ECW culture, but the crowd was nuclear all night and pretty much every match delivered. I think it belongs among the top shows of the decade for WWE. I also think it's an underrated ppv. The Foley/Edge/Lita vs. Beulah/Funk/Dreamer match is ridiculously fun to watch. The only thing that really missed the mark in my opinion was the finish to Rey/Sabu. That was just an issue with Rey's entire reign though rather than that one particular match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 On 4/30/2016 at 10:36 AM, The Iron Yuppie said: Hulk could have easily and believably been built slowly to a heel turn for WM V. Hell, you don't even have to change much about the angle except how the two guys are portrayed in vignettes and commentary. I think turning the reins over to Savage as the ace of the company would have been better for business long-term. They did turn the reins over to Savage as the ace from WMIV to July when Hogan was off making No Holds Barred. And that right there is reason number one why Hogan wasn't going to be turned. And for what it's worth, Savage/DiBiase did suprisingly well on house shows in the spring and summer. The MSG cage match almost did as much business as SummerSlam in MSG. But then Hogan/Bossman did HUGE business and that pretty much took care of determining who the #1 draw was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Camp WWE...I'm laughing, but I'm not proud of myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 ...what the shit did I just watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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