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SolidGoldBomb

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They don't want him as the company ace, but they've NEVER buried him or tried to limit him.

 

BULL. This is honestly the biggest piece of selective memory I've seen on a wrestling board in some time.

 

They've:

- From the first day said he was nothing, pointed out that he has no charisma or mic skills and buried him with The Miz.

- Called him a geek, nerd, troll and goat for months on end.

- When he got hot, they tried to turn him heel and make him yell NO, instead of YES. They did this for months on end for no real reason.

- They pushed him as the weak link in a team with KANE.

- The whole Team Hell No storyline. Hugfests, seeing psychiatrists, getting in arguments at fast food restaurants then having Kane hunt him like he was Jason and have him run.

- Despite having multiple matches with main eventers like Orton and others, they said he wasn't in their league.

- They buried him for months against the Authority. DB got laid out and beaten down so many times that I thought I was watching reruns.

- They tried to turn him heel again with the Wyatt Family for no reason whatsoever.

- They've produced some of the worst merchandise ever for him.

- They ruined two Royal Rumble's consecutively so he didn't win and did everything in their power to try to kill the heat.

- They've ignored all of his popularity in his hometown and didn't even mention his various things with celebrities and the parade.

- They have the easiest storyline ever in a face DB trying to get the belt back that he never lost against Brock and ignore it. They then have him lose to Big Daddy Cool Reigns and verbally suck him off.

- They then strap him in a WM ladder match with other people they aren't pushing, don't want to push, will never push and don't know what to do with.

 

Compare all this with way Roman Reigns has been booked in the last year and tell me he wasn't being buried. Bullshit.

 

I've watched a lot of wrestling in my day and don't remember anyone else having to go through a fraction of what he's had to go through. You know the best part? He made almost all of it work, got more over no matter what crap they gave him and it's still not good enough!

 

 

So you're saying all that underdog booking got him over.  It's WWE reverse psychology booking.  No don't cheer for this guy, he's a turd!  CXkTV7p.gif

 

No, cheer this guy!  LpG3fYq.jpg

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Rehabilitated Rick

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Glad the Battle Royal is on the pre show, total jobber status this year and yeah most Battle Royals are so boring and plodding. I haven't enjoyed one since the vintage Battle Royal from 17 (I wouldn't have a problem bringing this back). Although it leaves the card pretty stacked with a no real downtime match bar the divas :/

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I don't know if you want all WWE TV to be the "Daniel Bryan is the Greatest Wrestler in History Fan Club Show", but the things you're complaining about is pretty ridiculous. Being a main eventer doesn't mean always coming out on top, and losing to other top stars in competitive matches and getting dissed in promos doesn't means you're buried.

 

 

 

They don't want him as the company ace, but they've NEVER buried him or tried to limit him.

 

BULL. This is honestly the biggest piece of selective memory I've seen on a wrestling board in some time.

 

They've:

- From the first day said he was nothing, pointed out that he has no charisma or mic skills and buried him with The Miz.

 

He got the most high profile angle on the NXT TV show, came back as the special tag partner for Team Cena as a HUGE deal in his first PPV match, then was the only guy who got a big feud with an established guy in the Miz while the Nexus guys all got downsized. He was put down by heels, that's what heels do. I don't know if you want every feud with Daniel Bryan to be his opponent saying "you're the greatest, I'm not worthy".

 

- Called him a geek, nerd, troll and goat for months on end.

Heels and heel commentators say bad things about faces. It means he's important and the heels are jealous of him/dislike him because of the good he stands for. The unimportant ones either get nothing or get fake compliments for heels to show how full of shit the heels are.

 

- When he got hot, they tried to turn him heel and make him yell NO, instead of YES. They did this for months on end for no real reason.

He did turn heel. And it got him more over. His run with AJ was fantastic. YES was a face chant, NOs got him heel heat. No different than Angle and the "You suck" chants. A device to get heat

 

- They pushed him as the weak link in a team with KANE.

 

As part of a redemption angle that ended with him being the first worker to get a fall over the unstoppable Shield.

 

- The whole Team Hell No storyline. Hugfests, seeing psychiatrists, getting in arguments at fast food restaurants then having Kane hunt him like he was Jason and have him run.

 

Which all got super over and clearly had alot of time put into them.

 

- Despite having multiple matches with main eventers like Orton and others, they said he wasn't in their league.

 

And then he BEAT them. Heels said it, he proved them wrong.

 

- They buried him for months against the Authority. DB got laid out and beaten down so many times that I thought I was watching reruns.

He was the main protagonist to the biggest heel stable. He got outnumbered, that's the whole point of former stables, to outnumber people. Whenever he got any Authority member one of one fairly, he won.

 

- They tried to turn him heel again with the Wyatt Family for no reason whatsoever.

They did it for like two weeks. It was clearly planned to be a faux turn, and the ending got a ridiculous pop. It's an angle they run all the time, see Orton/Authority, Punk/New Breed, the face joins the heel group to gain their trust and secrets and then beats them up. Its the best way to get past a stable leader's lackeys.

 

- They've produced some of the worst merchandise ever for him.

 

They make terrible merch for everybody ever not named Punk or Edge.

 

- They ruined two Royal Rumble's consecutively so he didn't win and did everything in their power to try to kill the heat.

 

They put him over top heel Seth Rollins one week later in 2015, and he was selling a Sister Abigail to the guard-rail in 2014. Using DB to put over a guy they clearly see as future #1 heel in Bray isn't burying him, and if they wanted to kill his heat after, they'd make what he does unimportant or just keep him off tv.

 

- They've ignored all of his popularity in his hometown and didn't even mention his various things with celebrities and the parade.

 

They held the 2013 Slammy award in Washington just cause DB was winning Superstar of the Year

 

- They have the easiest storyline ever in a face DB trying to get the belt back that he never lost against Brock and ignore it. They then have him lose to Big Daddy Cool Reigns and verbally suck him off.

 

Cause they're building Reigns. Losing to Reigns in a 30 minute match isn't a burial, it's losing to your equal. They treated him as Reigns' equal throughout and after the feud, he just couldn't stop the man on a mission on that night. They did stuff like that with Hart and Foley all the time, when you're at that bulletproof level you can take a loss or two.

 

- They then strap him in a WM ladder match with other people they aren't pushing, don't want to push, will never push and don't know what to do with.

 

Those people are in the Andre the Giant Memorial match. The IC Title match is for "guys that are important that they stay over, but we can't all give one on one matches (and R-Truth)". And they've made DB the centre of the match and compared him going for the belt to guys like Savage and Steamboat and mentioned that winning would mean HE'S HELD EVERY BELT IN THE COMPANY IN UNDER 5 YEARS.

 

Compare all this with way Roman Reigns has been booked in the last year and tell me he wasn't being buried. Bullshit.

 

He's not Roman. Roman needs to be protected for his character's aura. DB's character is about overcoming odds. He can't overcome shit if he's never struggling or nevr being mistreated. Quite frankly, Roman needs more  stuf to overcome if he wants to get over like Bryan.

 

I've watched a lot of wrestling in my day and don't remember anyone else having to go through a fraction of what he's had to go through. You know the best part? He made almost all of it work, got more over no matter what crap they gave him and it's still not good enough!

 

You don't remember because you've haven't seen a superstar come in and EVERY angle he's ever been in has been treated as important like Bryan for such an extended period since Taker or Brock. He's never once been a "we have nothing for you, you're gonna be off tv for a while guy" or "treading water on Superstars guy" or a "feud that's totally unimportant with no story behind it guy". Every thing they do with Bryan has a plan behind it and ends with him more over. That can happen once or twice for everybody, but with Bryan it's clear it's be design, otherwhile they'd Zack Ryder him and  move on. He doesn't win every match and doesn't need to, his character development goes much deeper than "guy who wins all the time". But they've invested a shitload in him in terms of tv time and big moments/wins, and I don't what else you need to be a main eventer unless main eventer is only if you're THE MAN all the time ala Cena or Hogan.

 

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rzombie1988

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I don't know if you want all WWE TV to be the "Daniel Bryan is the Greatest Wrestler in History Fan Club Show", but the things you're complaining about is pretty ridiculous. Being a main eventer doesn't mean always coming out on top, and losing to other top stars in competitive matches and getting dissed in promos doesn't means you're buried.

 

 

 

They don't want him as the company ace, but they've NEVER buried him or tried to limit him.

 

BULL. This is honestly the biggest piece of selective memory I've seen on a wrestling board in some time.

 

They've:

- From the first day said he was nothing, pointed out that he has no charisma or mic skills and buried him with The Miz.

 

He got the most high profile angle on the NXT TV show, came back as the special tag partner for Team Cena as a HUGE deal in his first PPV match, then was the only guy who got a big feud with an established guy in the Miz while the Nexus guys all got downsized. He was put down by heels, that's what heels do. I don't know if you want every feud with Daniel Bryan to be his opponent saying "you're the greatest, I'm not worthy".

 

- Called him a geek, nerd, troll and goat for months on end.

Heels and heel commentators say bad things about faces. It means he's important and the heels are jealous of him/dislike him because of the good he stands for. The unimportant ones either get nothing or get fake compliments for heels to show how full of shit the heels are.

 

- When he got hot, they tried to turn him heel and make him yell NO, instead of YES. They did this for months on end for no real reason.

He did turn heel. And it got him more over. His run with AJ was fantastic. YES was a face chant, NOs got him heel heat. No different than Angle and the "You suck" chants. A device to get heat

 

- They pushed him as the weak link in a team with KANE.

 

As part of a redemption angle that ended with him being the first worker to get a fall over the unstoppable Shield.

 

- The whole Team Hell No storyline. Hugfests, seeing psychiatrists, getting in arguments at fast food restaurants then having Kane hunt him like he was Jason and have him run.

 

Which all got super over and clearly had alot of time put into them.

 

- Despite having multiple matches with main eventers like Orton and others, they said he wasn't in their league.

 

And then he BEAT them. Heels said it, he proved them wrong.

 

- They buried him for months against the Authority. DB got laid out and beaten down so many times that I thought I was watching reruns.

He was the main protagonist to the biggest heel stable. He got outnumbered, that's the whole point of former stables, to outnumber people. Whenever he got any Authority member one of one fairly, he won.

 

- They tried to turn him heel again with the Wyatt Family for no reason whatsoever.

They did it for like two weeks. It was clearly planned to be a faux turn, and the ending got a ridiculous pop. It's an angle they run all the time, see Orton/Authority, Punk/New Breed, the face joins the heel group to gain their trust and secrets and then beats them up. Its the best way to get past a stable leader's lackeys.

 

- They've produced some of the worst merchandise ever for him.

 

They make terrible merch for everybody ever not named Punk or Edge.

 

- They ruined two Royal Rumble's consecutively so he didn't win and did everything in their power to try to kill the heat.

 

They put him over top heel Seth Rollins one week later in 2015, and he was selling a Sister Abigail to the guard-rail in 2014. Using DB to put over a guy they clearly see as future #1 heel in Bray isn't burying him, and if they wanted to kill his heat after, they'd make what he does unimportant or just keep him off tv.

 

- They've ignored all of his popularity in his hometown and didn't even mention his various things with celebrities and the parade.

 

They held the 2013 Slammy award in Washington just cause DB was winning Superstar of the Year

 

- They have the easiest storyline ever in a face DB trying to get the belt back that he never lost against Brock and ignore it. They then have him lose to Big Daddy Cool Reigns and verbally suck him off.

 

Cause they're building Reigns. Losing to Reigns in a 30 minute match isn't a burial, it's losing to your equal. They treated him as Reigns' equal throughout and after the feud, he just couldn't stop the man on a mission on that night. They did stuff like that with Hart and Foley all the time, when you're at that bulletproof level you can take a loss or two.

 

- They then strap him in a WM ladder match with other people they aren't pushing, don't want to push, will never push and don't know what to do with.

 

Those people are in the Andre the Giant Memorial match. The IC Title match is for "guys that are important that they stay over, but we can't all give one on one matches (and R-Truth)". And they've made DB the centre of the match and compared him going for the belt to guys like Savage and Steamboat and mentioned that winning would mean HE'S HELD EVERY BELT IN THE COMPANY IN UNDER 5 YEARS.

 

Compare all this with way Roman Reigns has been booked in the last year and tell me he wasn't being buried. Bullshit.

 

He's not Roman. Roman needs to be protected for his character's aura. DB's character is about overcoming odds. He can't overcome shit if he's never struggling or nevr being mistreated. Quite frankly, Roman needs more  stuf to overcome if he wants to get over like Bryan.

 

I've watched a lot of wrestling in my day and don't remember anyone else having to go through a fraction of what he's had to go through. You know the best part? He made almost all of it work, got more over no matter what crap they gave him and it's still not good enough!

 

You don't remember because you've haven't seen a superstar come in and EVERY angle he's ever been in has been treated as important like Bryan for such an extended period since Taker or Brock. He's never once been a "we have nothing for you, you're gonna be off tv for a while guy" or "treading water on Superstars guy" or a "feud that's totally unimportant with no story behind it guy". Every thing they do with Bryan has a plan behind it and ends with him more over. That can happen once or twice for everybody, but with Bryan it's clear it's be design, otherwhile they'd Zack Ryder him and  move on. He doesn't win every match and doesn't need to, his character development goes much deeper than "guy who wins all the time". But they've invested a shitload in him in terms of tv time and big moments/wins, and I don't what else you need to be a main eventer unless main eventer is only if you're THE MAN all the time ala Cena or Hogan.

 

 

Got it, so every burial and insult towards DB was just a part of a very very very long term angle to acheive, um something, that you seem to be the only one in on.

 

I'd waste my time breaking apart every point, but it would just be wasting my time. I'd say you are on the WWE kool-aid, but you are the WWE kool-aid.

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There was definitely a point in 2013 when they decided to move on from Bryan, that he wasn't going to work as a main eventer, and they de-emphasized him quite a bit.  This was both obvious on tv, and has been openly admitted to by everyone involved, as having happened once the buyrates for Summerslam came in and they were disappointed by the numbers.

 

I don't think they buried him, but they definitely gave up on him until the crowds, especially the rumble crowd, forced them to realize that nothing else was going to work.

 

I don't hold it against them that, this year, they have decided "fuck that, we aren't changing everything for him AGAIN" and I don't think it's a burial, but they are clearly moving him away from the main event scene again (with the caveat that he might end up main eventing Smackdown a lot still)

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After catching up on this thread, I've realized that I'd be really ok with it if Daniel Bryan is granted his release after WrestleMania and retires to run the co-op or raise children with Brie or whatever.  I've lost all interest in seeing him wrestle or hearing his career discussed on message boards. 

 

(Am I being serious?  Yes!  Yes!  YES!)

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Great feud video for Taker/Wyatt, helped make it come across as a bigger deal. Briefly uses "The Man Comes Around" which I still hope is part of Taker's entrance. Always love a great memorable feud vid, this looks to be the best for this year's Mania.

 

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