2015 HOF Thread

[Kuetsar]

 

http://regressing.deadspin.com/barry-bonds-was-an-alien-god-who-destroyed-space-time-t-1610228611

 

But hey, the HoPnaGaBB can carry on.

 

Following on from a video linked in the article: How many did he actually send into the Cove, and more importantly, how many hall of famers hit fewer total home runs than Barry Bonds hit into the sea?

 

EDIT: Wikipedia has the answer: 35. The rest of San Fransisco have hit 33, and the rest of the Majors have hit 38.

 

The needle is the ass. . its STERIODRIFFIC!

[Tabe]

 

http://regressing.deadspin.com/barry-bonds-was-an-alien-god-who-destroyed-space-time-t-1610228611

 

But hey, the HoPnaGaBB can carry on.

 

Following on from a video linked in the article: How many did he actually send into the Cove, and more importantly, how many hall of famers hit fewer total home runs than Barry Bonds hit into the sea?

 

EDIT: Wikipedia has the answer: 35. The rest of San Fransisco have hit 33, and the rest of the Majors have hit 38.

 

18 HOFers hit 35 or fewer home runs.  

 

A few prominent ones: Ozzie Smith, Lloyd Waner, Rick Ferrell, and all three of the Tinkers-to-Evers-to-Chance guys.

 

Ray Schalk holds the record for fewest with 11.

[Niners Fan in CT]

If you think steroids makes someone a 500/500 player who is capable of .800+ slugging and .500+ on-base then I have to say you don't understand how steroids work..

[Kuetsar]

If you think steroids makes someone a 500/500 player who is capable of .800+ slugging and .500+ on-base then I have to say you don't understand how steroids work..

Now, but it will make someone who is a 500/500 player into a 750/500 player.  Bonds was a HOF worthy player in the 1990's before steroids, but he needed them to get to Aaron. . . 

[Niners Fan in CT]

He wasn't "HOF worthy" in the 90's. He was already one of the best all around players there has ever been.

[RIPPA]

The HOF ballot is officially out

 

 

NEW

Randy Johnson

Pedro Martinez

John Smoltz

Carlos Delgado

Gary Sheffield

Nomar Garciaparra

Troy Percival

Rich Aurilia

Aaron Boone

Tony Clark

Jermaine Dye

Darin Erstad

Cliff Floyd

Brian Giles

Tom Gordon

Eddie Guardado

Jason Schmidt

 

RETURNERS (With last year's vote total)

Craig Biggio (74.8%)

Mike Piazza (62.2%)

Jeff Bagwell (54.3%)

Tim Raines (46.1%)

Roger Clemens (35.4%)

Barry Bonds (34.7%)

Lee Smith (29.9%)

Curt Schilling (29.2%)

Edgar Martinez (25.2%)

Alan Trammell (20.8%)

Mike Mussina (20.3%)

Jeff Kent (15.2%)

Fred McGriff (11.7%)

Mark McGwire (11.0%)

Larry Walker (10.2%)

Don Mattingly (8.2%)

Sammy Sosa (7.2%)

 

[elizium]

I'm guessing Johnson and Pedro are first ballot and Biggio joins them. Smoltz I can see going either way, he'll get in, but maybe not this year. I think Piazza gets more support, but still misses. Bagwell, Raines, Bonds and Clemens will miss again and I will get so mad...again.

 

My ballot:

 

Randy Johnson

Pedro Martinez

Craig Biggio

Mike Piazza

Jeff Bagwell

Tim Raines

Roger Clemens

Barry Bonds

Edgar Martinez

Alan Trammell

 

Just miss: Smoltz (do think he's a HoFer, I just ran out of room), Walker (sentimental pick, I know he's really not going to make it), McGwire (not sure what I think about him really), Schilling (another close pick), Mussina (HoVG?)

[Craig H]

Jermaine Dye? For real? Jeez...that list of new guys is not great. Obviously Johnson, Pedro and Smoltz make it, but I wonder if any of them don't make it the first time around. I'm also guessing Biggio makes it in since he was so close last time.

[TimLivingston]

If Johnson gets less than 95% of the vote, I'll kick Grumpy Cat. Same with Pedro and Smoltz.

 

You can easily put 10 guys on the ballot this year. Wow.

[elizium]

You can easily put 10 guys on the ballot this year. Wow.

 

But instead, there will be like 2 because sportswriters are just the worst.

[Dolfan in NYC]

The HOF really needs to change its rule so at least one person is required to be on a ballot. 

 

With 6 easy yeses (Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza, Johnson, Smoltz, Pedro) and at least 2-4 for whom a very solid case can be made, it's going to look really bad when only one person gets voted in because, Bill Conlin (oh wait, nevermind, he's dead)... Jay Mariotti turns in a blank ballot. 

[Gonzo]

Don Mattingly has no case. None.

 

Not until he shaves those damn sideburns, in any case.

[Tabe]

Jermaine Dye? For real? Jeez...that list of new guys is not great. Obviously Johnson, Pedro and Smoltz make it, but I wonder if any of them don't make it the first time around. I'm also guessing Biggio makes it in since he was so close last time.

Unlike some other sports, baseball doesn't filter down their list of guys on the ballot at all.  If you played 10 years, you get on the ballot at least once.  Period.  That's how you end up with guys like Jim Deshaies getting a HOF vote.

[RIPPA]

 

Jermaine Dye? For real? Jeez...that list of new guys is not great. Obviously Johnson, Pedro and Smoltz make it, but I wonder if any of them don't make it the first time around. I'm also guessing Biggio makes it in since he was so close last time.

Unlike some other sports, baseball doesn't filter down their list of guys on the ballot at all.  If you played 10 years, you get on the ballot at least once.  Period.  That's how you end up with guys like Jim Deshaies getting a HOF vote.

 

 

Not quite

 

 

A. BBWAA Screening Committee -- A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.

 

So yes - baseball does filter down the list

 

These were some of the names left off the ballot

 

Jarrod Washburn

Mark Loretta

Kelvim Escobar

Kevin Millar

Paul Byrd

[Niners Fan in CT]

Aww poor Mr. Cowboy Up. So, even if you are one of these people who WRONGLY vote against Bonds, how the hell does Clemens finish higher?

[Tabe]

 

 

Jermaine Dye? For real? Jeez...that list of new guys is not great. Obviously Johnson, Pedro and Smoltz make it, but I wonder if any of them don't make it the first time around. I'm also guessing Biggio makes it in since he was so close last time.

Unlike some other sports, baseball doesn't filter down their list of guys on the ballot at all.  If you played 10 years, you get on the ballot at least once.  Period.  That's how you end up with guys like Jim Deshaies getting a HOF vote.

 

 

Not quite

 

 

A. BBWAA Screening Committee -- A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.

 

So yes - baseball does filter down the list

 

These were some of the names left off the ballot

 

Jarrod Washburn

Mark Loretta

Kelvim Escobar

Kevin Millar

Paul Byrd

 

That's what I get for not looking into how they've changed stuff in recent years.

[EdA]

 

 

 

Jermaine Dye? For real? Jeez...that list of new guys is not great. Obviously Johnson, Pedro and Smoltz make it, but I wonder if any of them don't make it the first time around. I'm also guessing Biggio makes it in since he was so close last time.

Unlike some other sports, baseball doesn't filter down their list of guys on the ballot at all.  If you played 10 years, you get on the ballot at least once.  Period.  That's how you end up with guys like Jim Deshaies getting a HOF vote.

 

 

Not quite

 

 

A. BBWAA Screening Committee -- A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.

 

So yes - baseball does filter down the list

 

These were some of the names left off the ballot

 

Jarrod Washburn

Mark Loretta

Kelvim Escobar

Kevin Millar

Paul Byrd

 

That's what I get for not looking into how they've changed stuff in recent years.

 

 

Well, actually this is not so recent.  It's been going on since 1968.  It's just that pretty much everyone who gets 10 years in gets approved by two people in the screening committee.

 

It's only really been with the Internet where ballots have been dissected more that people notice when certain players have not been up for a vote.

[RIPPA]

So far the one published ballot I have seen is Adam Rubin's (who covers the Mets for ESPNNY)

 

Bonds, Clemens, Bagwell, Biggio, Johnson, Pedro, Smoltz, Piazza, Schilling, Raines.

[Joe Lucia]

Three ballots have been released so far. This link will be of the utmost importance if you're an HOF geek. 

[Cristobal]

Not if he doesn't fix his formula, it won't.

Edit: Fixed now.

[EdA]

Well this is wonderful.  A ballot sans Randy Johnson.  No explanation given other than...well...if you read the piece...then...yeah.

 

Remember kids: crusty old senile sportswriters have HOF votes and you don't.

[Tabe]

No explanation at all.  Nice.

 

Ya know, if a guy wanted to keep Johnson off his ballot because Randy intentionally tanked half a season in Seattle, I'd say that's just fine, go on with your badass self.  That would be a perfectly legit reason, IMHO.  But if you don't keep him off for that reason, and he's just not on your ballot for some other reason, you're an idiot.  He's got an all-time resume as in, not just  HOF'er but an elite-level within the HOF.

[Kuetsar]

Come on people! If the process made sense it wouldn't be as much fun. . .  That must be a Seattle guy right? Sorry, but if your voting for a DH, he better have 3k hits to have a case for entry. I was arguing against Bagwell earlier(I think he's a shade below HOF worthy, but I wouldn't bat an eye if he gets in), but Edgar? A guy whose closest comp is Will Clark? Am I missing something?

[Niners Fan in CT]

Well, two assholes have voted for only 6 guys so we're off to a rockin' start.

[elizium]

Well this is wonderful.  A ballot sans Randy Johnson.  No explanation given other than...well...if you read the piece...then...yeah.

 

Remember kids: crusty old senile sportswriters have HOF votes and you don't.

 

Is this even an article? What's going on...where's the...I don't know...words and paragraphs and stuff? It's just a series of random lines. Did he have a stroke and they still let him write for the paper and we're supposed to be inspired? Because that would make sense.

 

At least he voted for Rock.