Charlie M. Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 At least they got the Bynum who will actually play.
RandomAct Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Love how ESPN's top play today is a basket that didn't even count.
evilwaldo Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 They just signed that new contract so everything is now great NBA.
evilwaldo Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 This year? That is about right given his age and injury history over the past few seasons. He is not a top ten player anymore.
Niners Fan in CT Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Yes, this year. But there's no way there are 39 players better than Kobe right now. I don't believe that. Prior to the injury Kobe was still a top ten player.
muhammedboehm Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 KD, Leborn, Curry, Blake, and Paul to name five
Niners Fan in CT Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Yeah but that's not what I'm arguing.
Brian Fowler Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Ranking Kobe right now is impossible. He's barely played in over a year, he's aging, we have zero clue what he will be when he hits the court this year. Maybe he's Peyton Manning, and comes back to continue being great. But maybe he's lost all his explosion, can't get to the rim, can't get his own shots, and can't guard anybody. The only definitive statement I feel comfortable making about Kobe right now is that he's overpaid. 1
Niners Fan in CT Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 He's not really overpaid though in terms of what he means to the franchise. There's been studies that estimate Kobe's worth to the team and it is insane. Anyway, I've hated Kobe for as long as I can remember but he deserves the benefit of the doubt. There's nobody who works harder and is crazier about basketball than he is. I would be shocked if he's not at least an all-star level player.
Burgundy LaRue Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 ESPN the Mag has a piece on how Kobe is helping to destroy the Lakers. I haven't read it yet but on the surface, I agree. 1
Brian Fowler Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 The opportunity cost in his contract is a major, major issue for trying to build a team. Long-term, they would have been better off keeping Howard than Kobe (even if Dwight has yet to 100% regain his pre-back injury form)
muhammedboehm Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Yeah but that's not what I'm arguing. How is that not what your arguing you said there's no way there are 39 players better then Kobe and I named 5.
Niners Fan in CT Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 I see. I'm not arguing those five. If you can name 34 more we are in business. Okay #39 is Andre Iguodala. He's a great defender and does some nice things on offense but is he better than Kobe? #38 is Klay Thompson. Great 3-point shooter, he's been improving around the basket, okay defender... is he better than Kobe?
Tiller Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Is the list just who is the better player right now? Or is it factoring in things like would you rather have a young Klay Thompson right now at a much cheaper salary than an old and possibly busted Kobe with a ludicrous contract? If Kobe can come back somewhat close to how he was performing when he tore his Achilles, then he's at least close to a top ten guy. But if you're factoring in other things and if you're a GM, you'd probably still rather have Thompson or most of the other 39 guys in front of Kobe on the list.
muhammedboehm Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 From the espn page We asked our ESPN Forecast panel to predict the overall level of play for each player for the upcoming NBA season. This includes both the quality and the quantity of his expected contributions, combined in one overall rating
Kuetsar Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 See I thought everyone is losing their shit because Kobe was too high, not too low. I'm not arguing legacy and all that, just with the injury and minutes played on the odometer, he just might be done. Probably wrong, but now one will know until we see it on the court.
Cole Miner Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 ESPN creates its own controversy again. Surprised to see anyone even talking about it. Is it too early to start the 2015 NBA offseason thread for Sixers fans?
Niners Fan in CT Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 There's not a lot else going on right now. By the way, if you've read this board for more than two seconds.. I'm about as far from a Kobe mark as there is. If you called me a Kobe hater it'd be more accurate.
RandomAct Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 Y'all remember the old "workers better than HBK" thread? We should do that with Kobe.
Cole Miner Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 There's not a lot else going on right now. I hear that and don't even disagree. It just seems like it is letting them have their way when reacting to it. I'll be honest and say that they can still bait me into getting annoyed about the perceptions of Russell Westbrook.
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