Dewar Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Does Dustin really have a better career of work? He had the WCW stuff against Rude, then Austin & the Stud Stable. His first Goldust run had some good stuff, but then he was the shits for at least a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Tag wrestling is easier than singles wrestling. For a tag wrestler to be rated over a singles wrestler, the gap between their respective bodies of work would have to be so wide as to negate the inherent handicap that comes from working in tag matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 This isn't some sort of math equation. There's not a .23 Handicap for tag work. You have different opportunities and drawbacks in each. You can look at what the wrestler does. It's not easier or harder to have a good tag match. It's just different, but if you break down what a wrestler does in a given situation and how he does it, you can still learn, I think, just as much from either. It's all selling and hitting offense. It's all timing and crowd involvement. It's all shine and heat and comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 No, it's easier. You're only doing half the work in a tag match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Spoken like a guy who hasn't ever had to LOD some fools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 No, it's easier. You're only doing half the work in a tag match. There are different challenges. If it was easier, it'd only be because you could maybe fall into a structure a little easier. Goldust works the apron. He's done a better job of getting people into WWE matches than anyone this year. With a lot of Bryan matches, the crowd is dead save for when he's doing the kicks or during the the finishing sequence. In front of the same crowds, Goldust is generally the only guy that can get them to really buy into what's going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offspring515 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 The anti Bryan sentiment creeping up around here is shameful. The hivemind is losing control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 My next goal in life - after getting people to stop fucking using "pipe bomb" - is going to be to get people to stop fucking using "hivemind" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 . His first Goldust run had some good stuff, but then he was the shits for at least a decade. That is not true, at his very worst, he was decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Exhibit A for my argument: Kane. How is it that that he was consistently having good-to-great matches after being paired with Daniel Bryan when he's been worthless in basically every singles match he's ever had? Was it a reflection of some previously undiscovered talent for tag wrestling? Or was it a reflection of the fact that he didn't have to do as much and thus had less opportunity to drag the matches down? Also, "working the apron" is the most overrated skill in the history of wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 This definitely isn't Dustin's best run,1994 was much better. That said, I think the two state near equal, but the Cena match and the whole year thing tip it to Bryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirFozzie Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Tough vote here.. but I have to go with Goldust because.. let's put it this way. No one expected that Goldust in 2013 would come back and have some absolutely jaw dropping, stunning, great matches. To paraphrase above: Bryan's hit for average (let's compare it to say.. a .350 average) for most of the year, but Goldust has had a half year of "Do not look directly at Goldust or you will go blind from the light/heat" hot streak. (I'd say a .450/.500 average with power and steals) And while it shouldn't, I think to myself.. this time next year Goldust will have said "That's enough, I'm done", while Daniel Bryan will once again be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offspring515 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 My next goal in life - after getting people to stop fucking using "pipe bomb" - is going to be to get people to stop fucking using "hivemind" Point taken, unlike the guy with the horse jokes I will bow to the authority. UNLIKE my boy DBry who has been battling the authority for the better part of a year. Where was Goldust for most of that time? Stinking up the indy circuit and then glomming on to his brother's storyline in order to leach heat. Don't be a spineless coward like me or a washed up heat sucker like Goldust. Vote for DBry, hero, savior, beard enthusiast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 With a lot of Bryan matches, the crowd is dead save for when he's doing the kicks or during the the finishing sequence. In front of the same crowds, Goldust is generally the only guy that can get them to really buy into what's going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Where was Goldust for most of that time? Stinking up the indy circuit and then glomming on to his brother's storyline in order to leach heat. Don't be a spineless coward like me or a washed up heat sucker like Goldust. Vote for DBry, hero, savior, beard enthusiast. In which indy matches did Goldust stink up the indy circuit? I want proof. Also, facepaint enthusiast > beard enthusiast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 That said, I think the two state near equal, but the Cena match and the whole year thing tip it to Bryan. I'm revoking your #1 Natural Fan Club star. Let me go google some more crappy 70s beatles covers from Bing Crosby to send to you, you turncoat bastard. EDIT: Holy crap, the Bill Cosby Sgt. Pepper's cover is terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offspring515 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Where was Goldust for most of that time? Stinking up the indy circuit and then glomming on to his brother's storyline in order to leach heat. Don't be a spineless coward like me or a washed up heat sucker like Goldust. Vote for DBry, hero, savior, beard enthusiast. In which indy matches did Goldust stink up the indy circuit? I want proof. Also, facepaint enthusiast > beard enthusiast. Honest to God...I'm swinging wild here. Goldust is pretty amazing and I'd vote for him over just about everyone....just not over Bryan (or Cesaro, Rollins, Cena or Harper). As to beard vs facepaint...what about both? Road warriors showed us that facial hair and facepaint can work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Exhibit A for my argument: Kane. How is it that that he was consistently having good-to-great matches after being paired with Daniel Bryan when he's been worthless in basically every singles match he's ever had? Was it a reflection of some previously undiscovered talent for tag wrestling? Or was it a reflection of the fact that he didn't have to do as much and thus had less opportunity to drag the matches down? Also, "working the apron" is the most overrated skill in the history of wrestling. In which ways would you say Kane was comparable to Dustin as a tag worker other than "they had good matches?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Point taken, unlike the guy with the horse jokes I will bow to the authority. I guess I'd rather be the horse jokes guy than the guy who walked out of Spider-Man? I'll bet Brie make Bryan... I got nothin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 Good tag teams require good timing together. Kane and Bryan had stuff they did together that utilized both strengths. Sometimes they'd even role reversal with Bryan being the monster to save Kane's ass. Kane actually did a lot of work in those tag matches, so I can't buy an argument that he was protected from doing "half the work". Nor can I buy that any tag team partner is doing half of anything. It's a different story format. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Good tag teams require good timing together. Kane and Bryan had stuff they did together that utilized both strengths. Sometimes they'd even role reversal with Bryan being the monster to save Kane's ass. Kane actually did a lot of work in those tag matches, so I can't buy an argument that he was protected from doing "half the work". Nor can I buy that any tag team partner is doing half of anything. It's a different story format. I, for one, am still glad to see that Commissioner Max Andrews here is still capable of a damn fine post. For his effort, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piston Honda Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Daniel Bryan smiles in the face of the authority holding him down. When fighting authority, Stone Cold only smiled when somebody A)had been stunned, B)was about to be stunned or C)was having a beer bush after stunning five or more people. Goldust has not smiled at the authority. Dust is closer to Stone Coldliness. Vote for someone who knows how to whoop ass. Vote Dust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kropotkin's Beard Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Tough vote here.. but I have to go with Goldust because.. let's put it this way. No one expected that Goldust in 2013 would come back and have some absolutely jaw dropping, stunning, great matches. To paraphrase above: Bryan's hit for average (let's compare it to say.. a .350 average) for most of the year, but Goldust has had a half year of "Do not look directly at Goldust or you will go blind from the light/heat" hot streak. (I'd say a .450/.500 average with power and steals) And while it shouldn't, I think to myself.. this time next year Goldust will have said "That's enough, I'm done", while Daniel Bryan will once again be here. But on the other hand, if Bryan wins again this year we can probably just name the tournament after him and retire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I'm always glad when I have Ottar the Viking on my side, even if That Damn Yeti isn't and K.Thor Jensen isn't voting at all. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Goldust- Has Star Wars references vs Lord of the Rings references has a gimp suit instead of dressing like Teddy Ruxpin has cool merchandise instead of stupid looking merchandise Is the living embodiment of bling vs a fucking hippie that wears Toms would win in a real fight made me want to watch New Age Outlaws matches in 2014 is over 6 feet tall has muscles even though nobody can see them under his suit doesn't win this thing every goddamned year 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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