Matt D Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 38 minutes ago, Charlie M. said: Thanks. That's actually the match I watched originally that led me to asking the question! I found a couple more and a few singles matches with Octagon to check out later. I find it funny that out of all the Fuerza matches in the world (and there are a lot) you had already seen the one that came to mind. There's always this! And this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 On paper, valiente vs Black Terry Sr in Chairo is an odd match, esp since its right after the CMLL bodybuilding competition . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiColin Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 On 11/5/2016 at 8:18 PM, zev said: Does anyone here know of any respectable lucha mask sales websites? Either custom designs or replicas of active wrestlers would be fine. I used Mr. Maskman's site this year to get my Pentagon Jr. mask, he's got a great selection and the quality was much nicer then the Mephisto mask I got from Highspots the year before. http://mrmaskman.com/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiColin Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Double Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maciej Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 The Hechicero vs. Rey Bucanero match made me quite happy indeed. Hechicero did his usual wonderful mat stuff, and while Bucanero isn't exactly Negro Casas in that regard (as far as I can tell, at least), he works well enough on defense. I liked the drama here a lot and I liked Bucanero deciding he needed to go nuclear with high-risk moves to put Hechicero down. Your emotional mileage may vary if you haven't grown to love Hechicero over the past year and are therefore thrilled with him getting a title match, but the crowd was really loudly behind him by the end too, so it may not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Great send off for Dorado. look for it once it gets posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 On paper, this looks like a great show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Tonight's CMLL is some kind of Dinastias tournament with trios matches featuring: negro casas, puma, tiger mistico, dragon lee, pierroth mascara 2000, cuetero, sanson blue panter, bp jr, t. Panther prob will be a cluster, might be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Double post. so, here's the recent match featuring puma, tiger and hechicero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouderDrew Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I've been wondering something for the people who have been watching lucha for a while now. I've been wondering why do some or maybe most you do not like Octagon. I have no real opinion about him since I haven't seen much of his matches. I am just curious about why people do not like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredoE Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Reasons why some dislike Octagon will vary here. He's not very good. He's a hypocrite and a jerk too. I'd say those are my reasons for not liking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 The only good thing about Octagon is when he gets his mask tied to the ropes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 He wasn't terrible in the match with Hijo del Santo against Barr & Guerrero. Octagon seems like a pretty big dick. Like when AAA put someone into an Octagon Jr. gimmick, he showed up to a public appearance with some heavys and threatened the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecubsfan Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 There are a lot of luchadors who are not great but Octagon also specifically suffers (if that's even the right word) for being on the top of AAA for decades without being good. Octagon hasn't come off ever as being an interesting character since his early days, and he's had very few great matches after that tag match. AAA made Octagon one of their flagship characters after the '96 split with Konnan, but he's never came off as top guy - more like a guy trying to find the minimum amount he can get by doing. (Given the length of his career and his regular part of it, it's possible no one's had as many ** or below quality TV matches than Octagon - at least in Mexico, that seems like a safe bet.) Octagon was an obstacle to more exciting wrestlers getting a shot, with AAA keeping him on top out of loyalty and in creating/maintaining an in-house legend. Lucha promotions keep their older company stars far longer than elsewhere and have no plan (or interest) to phase them out of the top matches, figuring most of the fans are nostalgia fans who will overlook bad performances, and Octagon's still pretty remembered and popular from fans who grew up watching him on TV every week and see him with those warm memories. If you don't have that context, Octagon is just out there having poor matches for a long period of time. It might be forgiven if Octagon was like Villano III, with a history of great matches to trade off of, but Octagon was just a guy who was considered dated two decades ago and is still trying to promote himself as being of the moment. There are some things that are out of Octagon's control but haven't helped his image. The never ending feud with Fuerza Guerrera, something that started as a mask match for 1991, is probably more Fuerza's fault for backing out of doing the match multiple times. Octagon might have had another epic match with the first Pentagon if he nearly died, and it took two more Pentagons and many more years to get to that match. Octagon might even be right about his claims about owning his name (though that seems doubtful) and shouldn't have to resort histrionics and stunts to gain attention to his issue, but the way he's behaved has made him very easy to write off as yet another bitter cynical old luchador. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ka-to Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 That was great. I was not region blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Curt McGirt Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Imagining Eddy working at 55 is looking at Casas right now. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Is there a more intelligent worker in the history of wrestling than Negro Casas? I mean even if it has no applications to real life combat, it blows my mind the things he's able to up with on the fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 On 12/3/2016 at 4:06 PM, Hector said: Is there a more intelligent worker in the history of wrestling than Negro Casas? I mean even if it has no applications to real life combat, it blows my mind the things he's able to up with on the fly. One thing that amazes me about Casas is that you can watch almost any match of his from almost any point in his history and he's almost certain to do at least one thing you've never seen him do before and you'll never see him do again. It's insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubbymark Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 On 12/3/2016 at 2:09 PM, Curt McGirt said: Imagining Eddy working at 55 is looking at Casas right now. Amazing. Eddy working with Zacarias el Perico is something I never knew I wanted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 The Ninja Turtles need to work as a team like Splinter said, damn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Amongst the other great matches at Chairo 7: t. Panther / maya vs terry / negro navarro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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