Dolfan in NYC Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 Starting this now because there's actually news and I will forget because of travel 5
The Natural Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 3 minutes ago, Dolfan in NYC said: Starting this now because there's actually news and I will forget because of travel Safe travels, Kelvin. Congratulations Jimmy and Trinity. 1
Dragon Posted December 2, 2025 Posted December 2, 2025 Here's Iyo vs Mayu in Marigold from Oct https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9uq1g0 1
hammerva Posted December 11, 2025 Posted December 11, 2025 WWE just put up two John Cena tributes on YouTube. One from the fans from the last 3 or 4 shows. One from all the wrestlers even heels like Drew McIntyre that is extremely good as well
TheVileOne Posted December 16, 2025 Posted December 16, 2025 Honeymoon period is over between Triple H and Ariel Helwani. What a weird turn considering a couple of years ago, Helwani was accused of softballing Nick Khan and Triple H, and Tony Khan was publicly calling him out as a fraud for appearing on WWE broadcasts.
odessasteps Posted December 16, 2025 Posted December 16, 2025 Does Cena “deserve better” if it was his idea? 1
TheVileOne Posted December 16, 2025 Posted December 16, 2025 (edited) I guess it depends on your opinion. I totally understand people not liking the finish and people thinking Cena shouldn't have tapped. But the vitriolic anger and rejection of the finish are somewhat lost on me because I support the Gunther victory, especially Cena tapping out. Plus Helwani's complaints sort of ignore all the big wins Cena picked up during his farewell tour, including becoming a 17-time champion, IC champion, and he only lost the title to Dominik by heel cheating and interference. I feel Cena having an invincible Super Cena run where he wins all of his matches sort of defeats the purpose and makes no sense. Was the Lesnar match badly booked and conceived? That I'd totally agree with. But I mean, I take no issue with the Gunther match and how the finish played out. I think it's best best-case scenario. Edited December 16, 2025 by TheVileOne 2
odessasteps Posted December 16, 2025 Posted December 16, 2025 It’s more “it’s wrong because it’s not what I want” narcissism from modern culture. andid say it’s worked based on the clips I’ve seen of Gunther tonight, who seems to be loving it. 4
NoFistsJustFlips Posted December 16, 2025 Posted December 16, 2025 11 hours ago, odessasteps said: It’s more “it’s wrong because it’s not what I want” narcissism from modern culture. Odd thing to say. Why is it the side that wanted better for his run the narcissism side? Not the side gloating about it being right, just because they're happy it went the way they wanted it to? Neither side its wrong. Its all opinions. But projecting that anyone who disagrees with your opinions is a narcissist is a wild way to live your life. 11 hours ago, TheVileOne said: I feel Cena having an invincible Super Cena run where he wins all of his matches sort of defeats the purpose and makes no sense. Had that been the way the run went leading up to the Gunther match, then the Gunther match plays out exactly the same, I think the opinion of it is way different. The problem is he was 50/50 booked since summer. You want it to mean something him losing to Gunther? Dont have him lose to Lesnar & Dom. Dont put him on a losing streak leading into such an emphatic loss. Without speaking for others, for me I would have been fine with it ending how it did it the lead up was better. But with the lead up they gave us it made way more sense to send the live audience home in celebration. In my opinion.
The Natural Posted December 16, 2025 Posted December 16, 2025 WWE was not expecting the negative reaction fans had to the finish of John Cena vs. Gunther at Saturday Night’s Main Event. Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez addressed the company being “blindsided” by the response on the latest episode of Wrestling Observer Radio. Meltzer said on the show: “There are many people in WWE who did not agree with that decision, but the guy in charge did it. The one thing I can say is, even though they may say something different publicly, they were blindsided by that reaction.” “The idea that like we did it, we knew it was going to get heat, just the price we pay. When they were all chanting and (Triple H) went ‘Ah, I thought’d be louder,’ that was a defense mechanism.” “I don’t want to say there was no discussion of a reaction, but I was told there was no discussion of a reaction.” Alvarez then added: “Here’s the thing. I don’t think it would have gotten that reaction if John Cena would have just passed out in that sleeper hold. They got that reaction because for 20 years people have been sold on Never Give Up.” Earlier in the conversation, Meltzer also discussed how the reaction to Gunther on WWE Raw could be viewed as a point in favor of the decision to have him win. “The Gunther reaction was really impressive. If you want to argue that the decision was the right decision, that reaction he got tonight was a good argument because he was really hated and he played it up well.” “This is not anything we can judge for six months or so,” he added. F4wonline.com.
Peck Posted December 16, 2025 Posted December 16, 2025 Mick Foley wants nothing to do with WWE anymore, at least while Trump is in office. https://www.f4wonline.com/news/wwe/mick-foley-parting-ways-wwe-donald-trump-relationship/ Quote PARTING WAYS WITH WWE While I have been concerned about WWE‘s close relationship with Donald Trump for several months — especially in light of his administration’s ongoing cruel and inhumane treatment of immigrants (and pretty much anyone who ‘looks like an immigrant’) — reading the President’s incredibly cruel comments in the wake of Rob Reiner’s death is the final straw for me. I no longer wish to represent a company that coddles a man so seemingly void of compassion as he marches our country towards autocracy. Last night, I informed @WWE talent relations that I would not be making any appearances for the company as long as this man remains in office. Additionally, I will not be signing a new Legends deal when my current one expires in June. I love WWE, will always treasure my time with them, and I am deeply appreciative for all the opportunities they afforded me. But, in the words of Popeye the sailor, ‘I stands all I can stands, and I can’t stands no more.‘ 4 2
Peck Posted December 16, 2025 Posted December 16, 2025 Sorry, didn't realize this was in the general wrestling thread also. 1
stuntmanc Posted December 16, 2025 Posted December 16, 2025 5 minutes ago, Peck said: Mick Foley wants nothing to do with WWE anymore, at least while Trump is in office. https://www.f4wonline.com/news/wwe/mick-foley-parting-ways-wwe-donald-trump-relationship/ GOAT in and out of the ring. 2
The Natural Posted December 16, 2025 Posted December 16, 2025 31 minutes ago, Peck said: Mick Foley wants nothing to do with WWE anymore, at least while Trump is in office. https://www.f4wonline.com/news/wwe/mick-foley-parting-ways-wwe-donald-trump-relationship/ 31 minutes ago, Peck said: Sorry, didn't realize this was in the general wrestling thread also. No need to say sorry. I put it there as more people see that thread and I tend to forget we've got a WWE only one. 26 minutes ago, stuntmanc said: GOAT in and out of the ring. I had a once in a lifetime opportunity to meet Mick Foley, took it and well worth doing. Nicest famous person I've ever met. I've never had a bad experience meeting someone famous in the flesh: Foley, Mark Kermode, Kriss Akabusi, Stuart McCall and Chris Kamara. Only bad experience I've had online is with Dan Slott but I shouldn't be surprised, Slott is infamous for being a POS.
odessasteps Posted December 16, 2025 Posted December 16, 2025 As always, it’s interesting what is the particular broken straw that will get people to act or draw lines in the sand. 1
zendragon Posted December 16, 2025 Posted December 16, 2025 I seem to recall The Princess Bride being one of Mick favorite films
Dragon Posted December 17, 2025 Posted December 17, 2025 Cody Rhodes had a good run, but it's time for him to drop his belt to Kairi Sane.
The Natural Posted December 17, 2025 Posted December 17, 2025 "That time-honored tradition... that is the biggest bunch of bullsh*t I've ever heard. It almost goes against the grain of every territory, and really even in through Hulkamania days and the 90s... what do you do to a legend? You protect them. You make up for their shortcomings in the ring... you kind of respect and take care of the integrity of the business." "The most important or valuable customers that paid, on average, 850 bucks for one guy... they weren't there to see anything other than John Cena’s last match. When you have the entire arena chanting the things that they chanted, and them saying, 'oh yeah, this is the exact desired reaction.' Maybe it is. Maybe that is the desired action going to... but time-honored tradition bullsh*t, that that's silly." "Why do I think it was the single dumbest finish? Because I think it is a direct slap in the face of our industry. Never give up. Do you know how impactful it is if I'm in a room full of bankers or TV executives... and I can look them in the face and a non-wrestling fan and say, 'Do you know who holds the record for the most Make-A-Wish visits in the history of that organization? It's a professional wrestler. Yes, it's John Cena.' His whole mantra, hustle, loyalty, respect... Never give up. And you're gonna get this bullsh*t that we got to get heat on a heel in a time-honored tradition? Conrad, it's the silliest, most ridiculous argument that people are throwing up." "Gunther, he got some heat. There's no doubt about it... But when Hunter came through the curtain... and they booed the shit out of him, it's almost as if, like, he got that ref heat. And ref heat don't draw money. It never have and never will... Sure Gunther is going to get some heat, but the real heat out of that match was on creative and that doesn't draw money." (Jeff Jarrett on the latest My World podcast) 1 1
Web Conn Posted December 17, 2025 Posted December 17, 2025 Says the man who wouldn’t put Monty Brown over when he was hot and should’ve been pushed to the moon, could have put some eyeballs on TNA. 4
The Natural Posted December 17, 2025 Posted December 17, 2025 7 hours ago, Web Conn said: Says the man who wouldn’t put Monty Brown over when he was hot and should’ve been pushed to the moon, could have put some eyeballs on TNA. Man, I hated Jeff Jarrett's NWA World Championship reigns of terror. Raven and Monty Brown were especially shafted.
The Natural Posted December 17, 2025 Posted December 17, 2025 (edited) I still hate John Cena tapping to Gunther. My opinion will never change. Shock for the sake of shock. I think Cena should have either won or lose by passing out, never tapping out. Sorry for sounding like a broken record. Edited December 17, 2025 by The Natural 1
zendragon Posted December 17, 2025 Posted December 17, 2025 1 hour ago, The Natural said: Man, I hated Jeff Jarrett's NWA World Championship reigns of terror. Raven and Monty Brown were especially shafted. Didn't they put the title back on Jeff after he lost it to Rhino cause they got the spiketv deal as well?
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