AEW TV - 11/12 - 11/18/2025 - Kyle Lies Bleeding In My Hands Again

[Cobra Commander]

12 hours ago, Casey said:

I’ll never understand people on Twitter wishing these matches were more like the old ones from the 80s with little to no weapons, no leaving the ring etc. No thanks, go watch those matches instead. I wanna see Toni Storm get blasted in the face with a mirror or Darby set on fire.

Cutting back on how many spots involve digging for weapons wouldn’t be the worst thing. A certain amount of weapons could be smuggled into the ring (good news to anybody who likes thumbtack spots). Stuff like WWE Wargames where every entrant went under the ring to get stuff was a bit much too.

Having a “ref gets the key stolen” thing in both matches might have been a little too repetitive.

Although in the case of B&G, it’s totally not wargames so it can try to carve its own path

And they wouldn’t have done the Briscoe comeback if they had the teams at ringside all match like Wargames (also a slight “if they’re at ringside, why wouldn’t they fight” question that I think the modern WG thinks a lot about)

I was considering the scenario where Moxley surrenders to a hold where there’s a 5-on-1-ish advantage and how his teammates would have instantly beat his ass for quitting

[Curt McGirt]

Willow post-match

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[Curt McGirt]

1 hour ago, The Natural said:

 

*hands the mic to Briscoe*

Mark: "LADEEEMGEMLMAN" 

[HarryArchieGus]

8 hours ago, Steventon said:

really enjoyed both matches but they suffered from the same tropes as every other B&G/Nu WarGames match in going too long and being too spot focused. they need to cut the entrances down from 5 mins to 2-3 mins. The women def delivered but the end was super jank. Willow superplexes Bayne between the rings (gnarly bump), but then Willow sells it all the way to end of the match while Bayne is up seconds later for the finish, which itself was painfully melodramatic and overwrought. Typical AEW in that they clearly planned out the spots they wanted to do but making them logical in the match was a seondary consideration. Also it may have worked better if it was the other way around with Tony taking the punishment and Mina throwing in the towel because she knew Toni would never quit. 

Hangman vs Hobbs ruled and that back body bump - christ! I look forward to Hobbs's main event heel run in 2027 hopefully.

Mens B&G had some strong parts but once again leaning on Gabe Kidd interference is so lazy. Is he actually going to lead to anything satisfying, i.e. Darby beating him? Probs not. They should have had him the match itself given how PAC is so obviously uninterested in these types of matches. They could have easily shaved 10 minus out and had a better match. That said, I thought the end sequence with the about to murder Kyle, OC making the save, the babyface comeback, leading to Mox tapping out, was excellent. Just a shame they had Darby do the pointless flaming table bump to take him out from the finish, given he is the main protagonist of this program.

Good call on the finish of the ladies match. Totally agree with your take on the show. I’d love it if they did the original war games style entrances (ready by the ring) rather than full running down the aisle (or from the back. That would require the matches to actually stay in the cage. All that said, I did think the Death riders (Marina included) all individually looked really iconic coming thru the audience - very well shot. Outside of Toni and Skye, too many of the ladies looked like they were entering some sort of fun gas passing contest rather than a ‘war’. I love Willow, but the smile down to the ring gimmick wasn’t working here (despite whatever story Excalibur was trying to concoct). I’d love to know what happened with Julia/Skye fishing around the turnbuckles for nothing - doesn’t seem like you need to hide weapons in the first place.  Bayne throwing a chair in Hayter’s face provided a gasp - hoping Hayter is okay. Bayne looked mostly great, but that worried me. 

I love Mark Briscoe, but I really don’t get the choice to no sell the Callis family attack. Also, production being on him for the cutting of the chain, while seemingly revealing the door was closed by a latch, was some serious wrestlecrap. Mark having an issue getting in the cage would be more effective if the matches actually stayed in the Cage.  

None of my qualms with either of the matches outweighs KOR getting that big victory. Really happy for one of the most underrated guys in the company. Mox-KOR have told one of the best stories this year. The eruption! Beautiful! 

Edited November 13, 2025 by HarryArchieGus

[Curt McGirt]

2 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said:

Outside of Toni and Skye, too many of the ladies looked like they were entering some sort of fun gas passing contest rather than a ‘war’.

...what?  (That sounds like something for a certain thread on the Discord, IYKYK haha)

3 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said:

I’d love to know what happened with Julia/Skye fishing around the turnbuckles for nothing - doesn’t seem like you need to hide weapons in the first place.  Bayne throwing a chair in Hayter’s face was a bit mind boggling - hoping Hayter is okay.

1. Me too, hopefully Meltz or somebody gets that found out

2. Briscoe (I think it was him) also got a full-on headshot from a chair and I wonder if they either got permission or got chewed out over it.

Overall it feels like you can pick both matches to pieces for flaws and general grandiosity/over-stuffed-ness, but if you just look at them as good, not-so-clean fun then they're perfectly fine. Me, I got to see buckets of blood and a bed of nails and two good finishes so I'm happy.

[Casey]

Blood & Guts is the one time a year they let Mark Briscoe either take an unprotected chair shot or dish one out (Jack Perry).

[HarryArchieGus]

40 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

...what?  (That sounds like something for a certain thread on the Discord, IYKYK haha)

1. Me too, hopefully Meltz or somebody gets that found out

2. Briscoe (I think it was him) also got a full-on headshot from a chair and I wonder if they either got permission or got chewed out over it.

Overall it feels like you can pick both matches to pieces for flaws and general grandiosity/over-stuffed-ness, but if you just look at them as good, not-so-clean fun then they're perfectly fine. Me, I got to see buckets of blood and a bed of nails and two good finishes so I'm happy.

Not up on discord and don’t think I wanna know.

Not really picking it apart. If I were to nitpick the list of annoyances would make for a far far lengthier list. I would say your not-so-clean statement is true of a lot of AEW. And I subscribe as much as possible. Yeah, these matches are very much more in your wheelhouse than mine. Still, I enjoyed them, and especially with the aid of the ffwd button for skimming. 

Edited November 13, 2025 by HarryArchieGus

[Technico Support]

15 hours ago, JLowe said:

The look on Danny Garcia’s face walking towards Moxley at the end says it all.

Yes!  He joined this group so he could stop being a loser.  And now his leader has given up three times in matches where it really counted.

4 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

 

He also worked for PWG, so it's no big surprise he's in AEW now. 

One current (Garcia) and three former (Claudio, Strong, O'Reilly) PWG world champions in B&G by the way!  I sorely miss PWG but it's awesome watching a company with PWG so proudly in its DNA.

3 hours ago, Jenalysis said:

The crowd was under 50% white male.  A lot of POC and women in the crowd.  AEW draws a very diverse crowd.  Good number of dolls as well.

 

So the opposite of a Kansas City Chiefs game, the whitest place in America.  More POC on the field than in the stands.

2 hours ago, Log said:

Totally agree with you, but one thing I think they could take from the older War Games that would be nice is how they would move to the finish pretty quickly once everyone was in the cage. I do think the AEW ones tend to hit a spot once everyone is in where there's some waiting around to get to the finish stretch. 

We shouldn't romanticize the old War Games matches.  There was a lot of dull downtime and they typically ended with some absolute bullshit like JJ Dillon getting submitted, the very definition of "how do we get out of this?" booking.

Edited November 13, 2025 by Technico Support

[Curt McGirt]

I wasn't accusing you of nitpicking, specifically, I just meant the criticism all around from everyone. These matches are probably inherently flawed. It might be best to just turn ones brain off and let them wash over you. 

[HarryArchieGus]

1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:

I wasn't accusing you of nitpicking, specifically, I just meant the criticism all around from everyone. These matches are probably inherently flawed. It might be best to just turn ones brain off and let them wash over you. 
 

I misread your post. I'm definitely with you on that last part.  

Edited November 13, 2025 by HarryArchieGus

[RazorbladeKiss87]

15 hours ago, southofheavy said:

Y'know, if every Marina Shafir match was a Blood & Guts match, that'd be alright. Best she's ever looked in the ring. 

Maybe she should just go full-on STOP THE SHAFIR 

I fully back this suggestion.

Don't have much to say that hasn't been said. I'm sure it surprises no one that I loved this shit. 

Loved the first Women's B&G starting with probably two of the biggest sickos and my two personal favorites in Skye and Willow. 

My memory sucks so I don't remember the endings of other B&G matches. As a result, I felt Toni submitting felt very fitting for their onscreen relationship. 

Men's B&G went a little long but ended how it should have. I think they've built Kyle well and him submitting Mox felt earned. 

Claudio looked like the biggest badass during his entrance. Just a massive walking weapon. 

Edited November 13, 2025 by RazorbladeKiss87

[southofheavy]

10 hours ago, The Natural said:

Despite Blue wearing a crimson mask, though, Fightful Select has reported that the Triangle of Madness member was said to be okay.

Jamie Hayter, however, was "a little banged up" following Blood & Guts and she may have chipped several teeth during the match. One person Fightful spoke with said Hayter was "as bad ass as you would expect."

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Oww.

Man, I fucking knew it. She seemed concussed and I really hope that isn't the case, because she can't catch a break on the injury front. 

Had to have been that chair shot from Bayne. 

[southofheavy]

5 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

Thekla post-match 

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She kinda had some Wendy O. Williams vibes goin' on last night. 

[RazorbladeKiss87]

Oh yeah, whatever TK pays Skye, he needs to up it. I hope she keeps working undies and tightens up a bit in the ring. If she does, wild brawler should be her new style. Drop that Code Blue and go with something impactful and easy to hit. 

Edited November 13, 2025 by RazorbladeKiss87
I'm acknowledging the typo but choosing to leave it in because it made me giggle.

[tbarrie]

11 minutes ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:

Oh yeah, whatever TK pays Skye, he needs to up it. I hope she keeps working undies [...]

I'm torn. Is it fair to "settle down" somebody based on a clear typo or autocorrect failure?

[keith_h]

7 hours ago, The Natural said:

Watched the Women's Blood and Guts back. Best Blood and Guts match in AEW history and a MOTYC.

Just did a rewatch and 100% agreed. Best Blood and Guts match they have ever done. A storytelling masterpiece. My wife (who rarely pays undivided attention to wrestling) was completely horrified and transfixed in the best way.

[Jenalysis]

24 minutes ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:

Oh yeah, whatever TK pays Skye, he needs to up it. I hope she keeps working undies and tightens up a bit in the ring. If she does, wild brawler should be her new style. Drop that Code Blue and go with something impactful and easy to hit. 

 

Skye and Julia need to work Japan against some super stiff ladies.  Stardom would work, just have Thekla "send them" to wreck Stardom in her place.

Not that the Sisters of Sin are bad, but tightening up their offense is the one thing missing for both of them, and Japan is the best place to learn that, you're not really gonna learn that in CMLL.   

[Zimbra]

Good thread.

The parallelism of the finishes, with Toni tapping out to save her love and Mox tapping out to save his own ass, was really well done.  One of my long-time criticisms of AEW is that things all seem to happen on their own separate islands but the two BnG matches really felt like they were in conversation with one another.

[Cobra Commander]

Red Skye is available if Skye Blue's "Painmaker" alter ego needs a name

no idea how much "Red Skies" by The Fixx would cost as music

 

Edited November 13, 2025 by Cobra Commander

[Curt McGirt]

These are both pretty perfect, thanks to both Zimbra and AxB over on the Discord. They need to be put back to back. NSFW probably

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[JLowe]

I’ve seen people here and on Bluesky say the BnG matches were too long but honestly when I saw the actual runtime of each match I was shocked because they each felt like 30 minutes to me.

My wife, who loves Toni Storm and Harley Cameron, watched the Women’s Blood and Guts with me and loved it. We both freaked out for the Julia Hart crawling out of the cage through that support, it was like something out of a horror movie. And once again, I think of how I became an instant fan of Skye Blue on Dark as this spunky (and cute) babyface being the biggest advocate for this match and going full death match sicko.

Speaking of my wife, she didn’t see the Men’s but was looking at photos on Reddit afterwards and wants to watch it now. I did spoil the Darby getting thrown through flaming tables and then having to roll to put himself out, but not the OC pocket staples spot.

I might have mentioned it in my immediate afterthoughts post but I loved that they left some of the debris from the Women’s match to get used in the Men’s. I was SQUIRMING when Mox had the mirror frame up by KOR’s face.

At the end of the day, getting to see two of my underrated favorites (Skye and KOR) getting a big boost made me very happy. I do agree that Skye (and Julia) should do a Japan tour. Maybe Skye and Kyle Fletcher can go together.

Edited November 14, 2025 by JLowe

[The Green Meanie]

14 hours ago, The Natural said:

5. Eddie Kingston/Jon Moxley/Claudio Castagnoli/Wheeler Yuta/Santana/Ortiz vs. Chris Jericho/Sammy Guevara/Daniel Garcia/Matt Menard/Angelo Parker. Blood and Guts 2022.

2. Kenny Omega/Hangman Adam Page/Kota Ibushi/Nick Jackson/Matt Jackson vs. Jon Moxley/Claudio Castagnoli/PAC/Wheeler Yuta/Konosuke Takeshita. Blood and Guts 2023.

 

5. See, I remember this one as the big angle being that we were trying to see if Eddie and Claudio would ever actually get along, and I believe the BCC existed during this time. This was the Bloodbath Cool Hand Ang one.
2. Buuuuut this one I don't remember at all! IIRC, this is the one where PAC walked out on the BCC, but it also wasn't the Death Riders yet, and why was Takeshita there?

[tbarrie]

25 minutes ago, The Green Meanie said:

2. Buuuuut this one I don't remember at all! IIRC, this is the one where PAC walked out on the BCC, but it also wasn't the Death Riders yet, and why was Takeshita there?

That's the one. Takeshita, as I recall, was on loan from Don Callis due to shared hatred of Kenny Omega. I believe Callis pulled his man out not long after Pac walked.

Definitely the best of the men's Blood & Guts matches in my opinion.

[username]

BTW I think it'd probably be better for the Death Riders to disband in the wake of Mox's failures (you know, like the NWO should have done with Hogan) rather than try to continue on as is without him as there isn't a single person in the group other than him who is really cut out to lead the group. Claudio and Pac are great in-ring wrestlers but don't really have the chops outside of it to pull that off (they've each been around 20ish years by now, if they could we'd have likely seen it by now), Yuta has the heat but not the credibility, Garcia just got here after his own struggles and Gabe Kidd... well fuck Gabe Kidd really. Sometimes it's better for things to just end.

[ExcellenceofAirPollution]

16 hours ago, Mike Campbell said:

When Mox and Claudio were stapling Cassidy's hands into his pockets, all I could think about was my dad and how much he'd have fucking loved it.

That was my favorite spot of the night!