AEW TV - 11/5 - 11/11/2025 - Fighting The Battle of Who Could Caster Less

[Shartnado]

14 hours ago, Zimbra said:

Buddy, if that title was prestigious you wouldn't be holding it.

Stop it, he's already dead!!! Holy shit, dude!

[Mike Campbell]

17 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said:

 

Twitter/X went ballistic over this too, with people bickering about whether the National Title ended with it being merged with the US Title by Nikita and Mondo's belt being a separate entity that shares the name or if it being an NWA recognized title makes it share the lineage. Personally, seeing as the title started in Georgia and then went to Crockett and was unified by Nikita, and then Crockett's Titles all went to WCW and then to WWE, that the person with the best claim to being the "true" champion right now is Ilja Dragunov.

[Log]

It's always a little sad when someone posts something like that and just unintentionally dunks on themselves.

[HarryArchieGus]

I often wonder why AEW doesn’t send more and more of their greenhorns on excursion. Always disappointed when the various NJPW tournaments brackets are released and none of the greens are there. Gates of Agony in particular really benefitted from their run in the World Tag league. Maybe another and they’d be worthy of getting behind. Hook is a great example of somebody who would clearly benefit from an international run. Interesting to see so much (understandable) shade being thrown his way on here. 

[porksweats]

2 hours ago, Mike Campbell said:

Twitter/X went ballistic over this too, with people bickering about whether the National Title ended with it being merged with the US Title by Nikita and Mondo's belt being a separate entity that shares the name or if it being an NWA recognized title makes it share the lineage. Personally, seeing as the title started in Georgia and then went to Crockett and was unified by Nikita, and then Crockett's Titles all went to WCW and then to WWE, that the person with the best claim to being the "true" champion right now is Ilja Dragunov.

I wonder who the linear champion is.

[twiztor]

2 hours ago, Mike Campbell said:

Twitter/X went ballistic over this too, with people bickering about whether the National Title ended with it being merged with the US Title by Nikita and Mondo's belt being a separate entity that shares the name or if it being an NWA recognized title makes it share the lineage. 

yeah, the "real" National title ended in 1986. 

i'm looking over the lineage on Wikipedia right now, and man, is it bad. Reactivated in 1997 on a live event (which is all the NWA offered at the time). It didn't get featured when WWE brought in "the NWA". it didn't get brought back to 'prominence' when TNA co-opted the NWA titles. There really is nothing to point to as far as relevance AT ALL until Corgan takes over and crowns a new champ in 2018 at NWA70. So with that being ~30 years later, i really see no reason to connect the (Corgan) NWA National Title with the (JCP) NWA National Title. 
But good on former WWE Tag Team champion (in 2006 with the Spirit Squad. Holy shit, that was 20 years ago?!?) Mike Mondo for showing out.

[Curt McGirt]

8 minutes ago, twiztor said:

when WWE brought in "the NWA".

Thinking back, it amuses me that that was my first exposure to the Rock'n'Roll Express -- as heels, no less.

[twiztor]

3 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

Thinking back, it amuses me that that was my first exposure to the Rock'n'Roll Express -- as heels, no less.

and managed by Jim Cornette!

[JLowe]

21 hours ago, tbarrie said:

That's a bit of an exaggeration, isn't it? I may have missed something, but I don't recall his no-selling anything Powerhouse Hobbs did last night. I'd also say his no-selling in general has declined greatly since his early matches.

He used to no-sell a lot because he literally didn’t know how to do anything in the ring besides a bunch of his dad’s suplay and some sloppy judo throws. He has learned to sell some now, but as mentioned elsewhere he often does the “sell a limb for 10 seconds until it’s time to hit his next big move”. Then again, that’s pretty common these days.

[JLowe]

Harley f’ng Cameron pinned Athena. What a reward for a very hard worker.

[Ziggy]

3 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

Thinking back, it amuses me that that was my first exposure to the Rock'n'Roll Express -- as heels, no less.

Mine too.  It was more of a rib on Cornette being the "Old School Rasslin" guy at the hight of the Attitude era.

 

Meltzer pointed out AEW did their best business when they had 4 belts. I don't understand why all these companies have so many belts.  You just need 1 world title for Men and Women respectively maybe 1 midcard title for each and 1 Tag title for each. When you consider AEW has been working closely with CMLL and New Japan for years and AAA before they got bought by WWE. Then of course you have ROH.

At the end of the day titles are only as important are you make them look at WWE's 2 midcard women's titles. The IC title started to seem important over the Summer when Becky started going for it. The US title , I couldn't tell you who holds that title since Chelsea Green.

Its great that AEW gets to work with CMLL and New Japan and recognize their titles on TV but that makes an even less of a need to have any more belts. 

[SovietShooter]

5 hours ago, twiztor said:

yeah, the "real" National title ended in 1986. 

i'm looking over the lineage on Wikipedia right now, and man, is it bad. Reactivated in 1997 on a live event (which is all the NWA offered at the time). It didn't get featured when WWE brought in "the NWA". it didn't get brought back to 'prominence' when TNA co-opted the NWA titles. There really is nothing to point to as far as relevance AT ALL until Corgan takes over and crowns a new champ in 2018 at NWA70. 

IMHO, from an "intellectual property" standpoint, the National titles started in Georgia Championship Wrestling, which merged with Crockett, which became WCW, which was bought by WWE, which has now become part of TKO. The National Title(s) were never trademarked by or administered by the NWA proper (as the NWA World Heavyweight Title was), so it was never the IP of that organization. 

When the NWA revived the National Championship in 1997, that is a completely separate championship, that was administered by the organization, and not the property of a member promotion.  So, any kind of claim that the championship at Billy Pumpkin's NWA is certainly not the old NWA National Title either. 

FWIW, when I was wrestling in the NWA back in the '00s, we totally Kayfabed that it was the same title as the old Georgia one too.  I even got a match against Ricky Murdock when he held the title in October '04, and I cut promos and stuff about the history g tradition and yadda yadda yadda. 

[SovietShooter]

1 hour ago, Ziggy said:

I don't understand why all these companies have so many belts.

I mean, back in the day when territories/companies ran split squads, it made sense to have multiple titles, so you could have a title match on both.  Thats how you ended up with a US/National/American champion (usually as the top title in the area), and a more regional title (Southern/Mid Atlantic/Central States/Texas, etc).

It seems like in the post-Attitude Era, there is this idea that more titles = more title matches, and that means more meaningful matches, etc. Plus, with things like brand splits and such, there is this idea that there needs to be multiple sets of titles for multiple shows or whatever. 

I think it's a booking crutch, honestly. 

 

 

[JLowe]

6 hours ago, HarryArchieGus said:

I often wonder why AEW doesn’t send more and more of their greenhorns on excursion. Always disappointed when the various NJPW tournaments brackets are released and none of the greens are there. Gates of Agony in particular really benefitted from their run in the World Tag league. Maybe another and they’d be worthy of getting behind. Hook is a great example of somebody who would clearly benefit from an international run. Interesting to see so much (understandable) shade being thrown his way on here. 

They probably have to want to. Jade would have benefited as well, but she had family and didn’t want to do indies or an excursion. TBH, I’m not even sure how much Hook loves pro wrestling, or if it’s something he’s doing because his Dad did it and it’s a way to get his face out there. 

[Ziggy]

45 minutes ago, JLowe said:

TBH, I’m not even sure how much Hook loves pro wrestling, or if it’s something he’s doing because his Dad did it and it’s a way to get his face out there. 

Probably the ladder because you would think Taz would've gotten Hook in Dojo in Japan before even coming to AEW. Taz probably knows wrestling is as much to Hook as it was to Taz so it's probably no point in really pushing for him to go all the way with it. Last I checked he was dating Damon Dash's Daughter and he's more into the acting. I'm sure if he doesn't get much work on acting then he'll probably put his whole heart into it much like these multi generational wrestlers that persure Football first before going into wrestling after they don't make the league. Its not that they don't love wrestling but they know they can always fall back on it.

[Mike Campbell]

21 hours ago, HarryArchieGus said:

I often wonder why AEW doesn’t send more and more of their greenhorns on excursion. Always disappointed when the various NJPW tournaments brackets are released and none of the greens are there. Gates of Agony in particular really benefitted from their run in the World Tag league. Maybe another and they’d be worthy of getting behind. Hook is a great example of somebody who would clearly benefit from an international run. Interesting to see so much (understandable) shade being thrown his way on here. 

That's why I've been saying (for years now) that AEW needs to let their dudes work more indy shows or run more  house shows. I think it was an episode of Rampage, where Lee Johnson and Brock Anderson and FTR put on a banger, and I turned to a friend and said "Just imagne if these guys could go 20-25 every weekend."

[HarryArchieGus]

45 minutes ago, Mike Campbell said:

That's why I've been saying (for years now) that AEW needs to let their dudes work more indy shows or run more  house shows. I think it was an episode of Rampage, where Lee Johnson and Brock Anderson and FTR put on a banger, and I turned to a friend and said "Just imagne if these guys could go 20-25 every weekend."

Yes! I loved FTR-Brock/Johnson that match. I was just thinking about it. I think there's a lot of worry about guys/gals getting injured that is impeding that process.  

[HarryArchieGus]

  

15 hours ago, JLowe said:

They probably have to want to. Jade would have benefited as well, but she had family and didn’t want to do indies or an excursion. TBH, I’m not even sure how much Hook loves pro wrestling, or if it’s something he’s doing because his Dad did it and it’s a way to get his face out there. 

14 hours ago, Ziggy said:

Probably the ladder because you would think Taz would've gotten Hook in Dojo in Japan before even coming to AEW. Taz probably knows wrestling is as much to Hook as it was to Taz so it's probably no point in really pushing for him to go all the way with it. Last I checked he was dating Damon Dash's Daughter and he's more into the acting. I'm sure if he doesn't get much work on acting then he'll probably put his whole heart into it much like these multi generational wrestlers that persure Football first before going into wrestling after they don't make the league. Its not that they don't love wrestling but they know they can always fall back on it.

Surely there's been a push for Hook to go in the wrestling direction, but I'm not at all questioning his passion. Whatever his shortcomings the dude works hard and seems to me to be pretty passionate about it. It's good to keep in context how much experience and how long he's been doing this. With clearly a lot of room to grow and improve, I'd say he's pretty well along. Especially considering his experience and ring time. Further, I don't think TK actually wants these guys doing Indies and risking potential injury. The fact that the shows are booked so closely to the day means he also wants to be able to call on anybody at any point. With Collisions generally happening on Saturdays, it makes it even more difficult to book Indies. 

 

 

[SovietShooter]

3 hours ago, Mike Campbell said:

That's why I've been saying (for years now) that AEW needs to let their dudes work more indy shows or run more  house shows.

I think house shows are a thing of the past for AEW, and probably will be for WWE soon as well (aside from perhaps the overseas tours). The main profit driver for wrestling (and sports in general) is media rights, and media rights don't cover house shows. It would be different if they were drawing huge, but they aren't.  

[Curt McGirt]

This was kind of a shore-up card to put everything in place and it worked well enough as such. 

- MAN OH MAN were the Bangers over with this crowd! I thought it was just gonna be Juicey Boy at first and then Austin freakin' Gunn got chants. That's just wild. You're gonna have to explain this one to me. Anyway they had a typically solid match with FTR... and won! That was a surprise too. It almost makes me think that Tony called an audible into the ref's earpiece and decided to have them win. Was this a Texas thing? (Speaking of which, Houston was hot pretty much all night. If they want a PPV, he should give it to them.)

- I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to Ace vs. Fletcher but it felt like they went way too long. I just don't think of Ace Austin as a threat to somebody as dominant as Fletcher so I guess I gave it short shrift. Just my personal bias. The finish was real nasty and probably not real safe either. 

- Looked away from the ring and completely missed the squash; must've been brief.

- Hayter/Skye and Thekla/Harley were a tale of two cities. The former felt shamefully loose and sloppy while the second one, while slower and more methodical, was snug and everything looked and felt right. You'd think Jamie's stiffness would have translated but it just wasn't there. The whole match felt very "not ready for TV" which I did NOT expect. Meanwhile the match with the person who has only what, 28 matches under her belt was perfectly fine. Go figure. Heels get the coin toss, go figure again. 

- Well, I was right about at least one side getting a face coin toss, and it was the boys club. Roddy and Mox had a hell of a match. Mox got to bust out all the technical stuff he wants to and it's an interesting combination with his other stuff. The typical shootstyle mixture is submissions and striking. Instead Moxley has his own mix of matwork with submissions and brawling/cheating. Surprisingly this has not been done before. Of course the peanut gallery had to come out and try to cheat, at least dumbass Garcia got thrown through a table. Roddy didn't do any of those evil chops (thinking that Mox is still regretting letting him do them last time they met) but he busted out a crazy uranage thing that blasted Jon face-first into the mat somehow, then an incredible Tiger Driver that has enormous impact. The fuck finish with Darby grabbing the leg then frying PAC's arm and scaring everybody off was A-OK here. Turnabout is fair play; if you're gonna do all that crap at least let the victim of it win with the same methods. 

- Ric Flair and Rick Steamboat are showing up next week. It's the return... of... UPHOLSTERY MAN~! Here to sell the Hurt Business fresh linen straight off yo grandmama's couch! 

[Casey]

Rumors going around that Nixon Newell & Miranda Alize were supposed to face TayJay but walked out because they didn’t want to lose in 5 minutes because “it would hurt their brand”. Hyan & Maya World did double duty with replacing them and doing matches on the ROH taping.

Edited November 9, 2025 by Casey

[Ace]

They have no brand to hurt.

 

 

[The Natural]

On 11/7/2025 at 5:57 PM, Curt McGirt said:

Thinking back, it amuses me that that was my first exposure to the Rock'n'Roll Express -- as heels, no less.

 

On 11/7/2025 at 6:00 PM, twiztor said:

and managed by Jim Cornette!

 

On 11/7/2025 at 10:15 PM, Ziggy said:

Mine too.  It was more of a rib on Cornette being the "Old School Rasslin" guy at the hight of the Attitude era.

Mine was WCW 1990.

[Casey]

1 hour ago, Ace said:

They have no brand to hurt.

 

 

Sure they do. It’d hurt their brand of posting problematic opinions on Instagram about vaccines and whatnot.

[Cobra Commander]

I guess they wouldn't want the "Oscar and Felix of Lesbians" gimmick inspired by how they might be dedicated to cancelling each other out in elections