Dolfan in NYC Posted October 28 Posted October 28  It's close to midnight, something evil's lurking in the dark... Under the moonlight, You see a sight that almost stops your heart! We're in Halloween week!  CREEPS and GHOULS abound everywhere! But, let's open the crypt on last week and see what happened~! (Mercedes has her cake and eats it too!)   You try to scream, but terror takes the sound before you make it... You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes... You're paralyzed! In other news... large man look silly at small desk...    'Cause this is thriller, thriller night... And no one's gonna save you from the beast about to strike! You know it's thriller, thriller night... You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller.... On Dynamite! A SPOOKY good time ahead! (This man is as important to Halloween as Mariah is to Christmas. Right down to the deaths caused by this video's director!) Enjoy your week! 3 1
Zimbra Posted October 28 Posted October 28 He murdered three people and unleashed Max Landis on the world, truly one of history's great villains. 3
HarryArchieGus Posted October 28 Posted October 28 Ugh, not enough to have one bullshit 4 way - let's have 2! At this point in their history I guess I can't question why Hook would be in a 4 way for the World Title. Or why they already shot the angle with Hanger-Joe. Ricochet is a top contender? Big Bob gets a seat for beating Toa a month ago in London - in, what, his second singles match? No issue with the Tag Team contenders. I'm really hoping this is the last Sisters of Sin match I have to skim in this tournament. Aminta/Hayter is a fun and interesting duo. Â
tbarrie Posted October 28 Posted October 28 6 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said: Ugh, not enough to have one bullshit 4 way - let's have 2! At this point in their history I guess I can't question why Hook would be in a 4 way for the World Title. Or why they already shot the angle with Hanger-Joe. Ricochet is a top contender? Big Bob gets a seat for beating Toa a month ago in London - in, what, his second singles match? Lashley appears to be 3-0 in AEW singles matches. 4-0 if you count his handicap victory against a jobber tag team. But if you take calibre of opposition into account, those wins include victories over Mark Briscoe and, more importantly, former world champion Swerve Strickland. I don't think it's too much of a stretch for him to get a shot at the number one contendership. Heck, from a realism perspective he probably makes more sense than Joe, who's 3-3 in his last six singles matches - and two of those three losses were already world title shots. Shouldn't he be in the back of the line by now? Â 1
HarryArchieGus Posted October 28 Posted October 28 9 minutes ago, tbarrie said: Lashley appears to be 3-0 in AEW singles matches. 4-0 if you count his handicap victory against a jobber tag team. But if you take calibre of opposition into account, those wins include victories over Mark Briscoe and, more importantly, former world champion Swerve Strickland. I don't think it's too much of a stretch for him to get a shot at the number one contendership. Heck, from a realism perspective he probably makes more sense than Joe, who's 3-3 in his last six singles matches - and two of those three losses were already world title shots. Shouldn't he be in the back of the line by now? I don't disagree. A great argument for Lashley, but wouldn't it be better if they told us this on the TV show. Bob's been in trios and tags for most of his run. If I, as a regular viewer, am not remembering that singles record I have to imagine there are others. I long for the day when AEW is able to capably justify whatever reasoning for top contenders on the actual TV show. I didn't know those stats on Joe, and yeah, please explain dear AEW TV Shows. The company overlooks logic and details far too much and far too often. It comes with a heavier cost than being considered.Â
tbarrie Posted October 28 Posted October 28 47 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said: I don't disagree. A great argument for Lashley, but wouldn't it be better if they told us this on the TV show. Bob's been in trios and tags for most of his run. If I, as a regular viewer, am not remembering that singles record I have to imagine there are others. I long for the day when AEW is able to capably justify whatever reasoning for top contenders on the actual TV show. The thing is, it's not clear how many viewers actually care about these sorts of questions. It's consequently not clear how much time and space should be devoted to answering them - nor when and where they should do so. Arguably these sorts of things would be better handled via in-universe website articles, where the more hardcore fans could find them whereas the more casual fans can just go along for the ride. 47 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said: I didn't know those stats on Joe, and yeah, please explain dear AEW TV Shows. The company overlooks logic and details far too much and far too often. It comes with a heavier cost than being considered. Well - if it helps, presumably fictional character Tony Khan wants Full Gear to sell well just as much as real person Tony Khan does. And given the aftermath of their match at WrestleDream, it's likely that the fans will want to see Hangman kick Joe's ass again. But just giving Joe yet another title shot would be a bit much at this point, so fictional TK slips him into a number one contenders' match and hopes he wins. It makes a certain amount of sense. Also, I don't watch any real combat sports, but I've sort of gotten the impression the big matches in those are in fact determined more by who the promoters think will sell tickets than by strictly rigorous analysis of win-loss records. If I'm right, it's not particularly unrealistic for pro wrestling matches to be made using the same logic. 1
AxB Posted October 28 Posted October 28 In the sport of Boxing, Champions curse the times they are forced to make a mandatory defence against the number one contender, instead of choosing their own challengers.
Johnny Sorrow Posted October 28 Posted October 28 5 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said:  It's close to midnight, something evil's lurking in the dark... Under the moonlight, You see a sight that almost stops your heart! We're in Halloween week!  CREEPS and GHOULS abound everywhere! But, let's open the crypt on last week and see what happened~! (Mercedes has her cake and eats it too!)   You try to scream, but terror takes the sound before you make it... You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes... You're paralyzed! In other news... large man look silly at small desk...    'Cause this is thriller, thriller night... And no one's gonna save you from the beast about to strike! You know it's thriller, thriller night... You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller.... On Dynamite! A SPOOKY good time ahead! (This man is as important to Halloween as Mariah is to Christmas. Right down to the deaths caused by this video's director!) Enjoy your week! Will (Goodhelmet) told me awhile ago about getting Danielson to talk to his class. That's awesome. 5
username Posted October 29 Posted October 29 I think Lashley has enough of a resume and success to justify being in that match (Hook is the one that feels like a stretch as he just recently returned), the issue to me is that it feels like a big foregone conclusion match with one of the participants having jumped the champ and two of they others feuding with one another. Now perhaps it is so much so that there will be some misdirection, but my gut feeling is that it is a "we need to move things from point A to point B and don't have a great idea, so we'll just get it done the quickest way possible" situation. 1
NikoBaltimore Posted October 29 Posted October 29 19 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said:  It's close to midnight, something evil's lurking in the dark... Under the moonlight, You see a sight that almost stops your heart! We're in Halloween week!  CREEPS and GHOULS abound everywhere! But, let's open the crypt on last week and see what happened~! (Mercedes has her cake and eats it too!)   You try to scream, but terror takes the sound before you make it... You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes... You're paralyzed! In other news... large man look silly at small desk...    'Cause this is thriller, thriller night... And no one's gonna save you from the beast about to strike! You know it's thriller, thriller night... You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller.... On Dynamite! A SPOOKY good time ahead! (This man is as important to Halloween as Mariah is to Christmas. Right down to the deaths caused by this video's director!) Enjoy your week! No bullshit whatsoever I didn't see the thread title yet and had a feeling it'd be Thriller and using Willow's name. Nicely done. 3
HarryArchieGus Posted October 29 Posted October 29 16 hours ago, tbarrie said: The thing is, it's not clear how many viewers actually care about these sorts of questions. It's consequently not clear how much time and space should be devoted to answering them - nor when and where they should do so. Arguably these sorts of things would be better handled via in-universe website articles, where the more hardcore fans could find them whereas the more casual fans can just go along for the ride. Well - if it helps, presumably fictional character Tony Khan wants Full Gear to sell well just as much as real person Tony Khan does. And given the aftermath of their match at WrestleDream, it's likely that the fans will want to see Hangman kick Joe's ass again. But just giving Joe yet another title shot would be a bit much at this point, so fictional TK slips him into a number one contenders' match and hopes he wins. It makes a certain amount of sense. Also, I don't watch any real combat sports, but I've sort of gotten the impression the big matches in those are in fact determined more by who the promoters think will sell tickets than by strictly rigorous analysis of win-loss records. If I'm right, it's not particularly unrealistic for pro wrestling matches to be made using the same logic. Sure, there's no direct metric whether or not logical storytelling (minus gaping plot holes) works, but is there really that much doubt? Is there an opposing theory that Wrestling fans like gaping plot holes and illogical storytelling? Are there a lot of successful television series that apply this technique? Nobody's asking anybody to give a 'rigourous analysis of win-loss records' - just be logical.Â
HarryArchieGus Posted October 29 Posted October 29 Stoked for Mox-O'Reilly 2 and Garcia/Yuta-OC/Darby! Excellent matchmaking. 2
stuntmanc Posted October 29 Posted October 29 I might be the only person hoping Ricochet weasels his way into a title shot v Hangman. 5
just drew Posted October 29 Posted October 29 25 minutes ago, stuntmanc said: I might be the only person hoping Ricochet weasels his way into a title shot v Hangman. You are not.Â
Technico Support Posted October 29 Posted October 29 (edited) Trying to come up with a wacky name for the OC/Allin team, and now I'm sad that Chikara King of Trios is no longer a thing. A team with Terry Taylor, Trent Baretta, and Darby Allin -- TERRENCE TRENT DARBY -- would rule. Annnnnd now "Sign Your Name" is stuck in my head. Yes I know the singer no longer goes by that name.  Edited October 29 by Technico Support 2 4
Nice Guy Eddie Posted October 29 Posted October 29 (edited) 4 hours ago, Technico Support said: Trying to come up with a wacky name for the OC/Allin team, and now I'm sad that Chikara King of Trios is no longer a thing. A team with Terry Taylor, Trent Baretta, and Darby Allin -- TERRENCE TRENT DARBY -- would rule. Annnnnd now "Sign Your Name" is stuck in my head. Yes I know the singer no longer goes by that name.  I used to love to dream up KOT teams with wacky names. I think the best I came up with was Disco Demolition Knight. Disco Inferno, Bill Eadie or Barry Darsow, Jason Knight Edited October 29 by Nice Guy Eddie 4 1
RazorbladeKiss87 Posted October 29 Posted October 29 4 hours ago, stuntmanc said: I might be the only person hoping Ricochet weasels his way into a title shot v Hangman. Have i got an idea for you then! Ricochet wins. Joe attacks him after. TK signs a 3-way for the ppv!!!!  Honestly, it would be interesting to have a swerve here. Let someone else get the shot and have Joe seething and killing fools to get another shot.Â
porksweats Posted October 29 Posted October 29 4 minutes ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said: Have i got an idea for you then! Ricochet wins. Joe attacks him after. TK signs a 3-way for the ppv!!!!  Honestly, it would be interesting to have a swerve here. Let someone else get the shot and have Joe seething and killing fools to get another shot. If Hook wins and Joe beefs, we'd get Eddie vs Joe at some point which I don't know has ever happened. 3 1
HarryArchieGus Posted October 29 Posted October 29 4 hours ago, stuntmanc said: I might be the only person hoping Ricochet weasels his way into a title shot v Hangman. Ricochet is the ‘best bump machine’ and would no doubt provide a nice TV bout for the Hangman, but would there be any question who wins for a Hanger-Ricochet PPV main  event? If Ricochet had beaten at least one wrestler on the upward trajectory in a singles bout on the way to a number 1 contenders match there would be a much better case to be made. That said, another Joe match doesn’t provide a lot of curiosity as to who wins either. That’s three of these in a row for ol Hanger. Nonetheless, I’m game for the Joe rematch. Maybe for future consideration the company could consider giving whomever is slated to be the number 1 contender some significant victories on the way to the title match. It might just provide a touch more intrigue. 1
Log Posted October 29 Posted October 29 10 minutes ago, porksweats said: If Hook wins and Joe beefs, we'd get Eddie vs Joe at some point which I don't know has ever happened. It hasn't in AEW, but they had a nice match in '07 for the short-lived Fight Sports Midwest. That was a fun little promotion that attempted some cool stuff in their only two shows they put on. 7
ExcellenceofAirPollution Posted October 29 Posted October 29 19 minutes ago, Log said: It hasn't in AEW, but they had a nice match in '07 for the short-lived Fight Sports Midwest. That was a fun little promotion that attempted some cool stuff in their only two shows they put on. I didn't realize they only had two shows. I remember them having a lot of buzz at the time 2
tbarrie Posted October 29 Posted October 29 5 hours ago, HarryArchieGus said: Sure, there's no direct metric whether or not logical storytelling (minus gaping plot holes) works, but is there really that much doubt? Is there an opposing theory that Wrestling fans like gaping plot holes and illogical storytelling? Are we talking about "gaping plot holes" here, though? You seem to watch AEW pretty carefully, and you said you hadn't realized Joe's recent singles record was kind of mediocre until I mentioned it. I hadn't either until I looked it up. It seems likely that a lot of viewers wouldn't notice, and many of those who do notice won't particularly care. And they only have finite screen time, so why spend some explaining something when the absence of that explanation will only bother a handful of viewers?Â
SovietShooter Posted October 29 Posted October 29 38 minutes ago, porksweats said: If Hook wins and Joe beefs, we'd get Eddie vs Joe at some point which I don't know has ever happened.  15 hours ago, username said: Now perhaps it is so much so that there will be some misdirection, but my gut feeling is that it is a "we need to move things from point A to point B and don't have a great idea, so we'll just get it done the quickest way possible" situation. I don't think we are getting Hangman vs Joe headlining two PPV in a row. Hangman/Hook on PPV doesn't make sense, and Ric has been eating pins recently. My guess is Lashley wins here, while Joe screws Hook something fierce. That would decisively pivot to Opps vs Eddie/Hook. although, I can't help thinking we aren't done with Opps vs Hurt for the trios titles, either. 2
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