RIPPA Posted October 27 Posted October 27 LSU also announced this morning that OC/QB coach Joe Sloan was also fired
supremebve Posted October 27 Posted October 27 1 hour ago, Dolfan in NYC said: I get the joke and fully agree, but he didn't get fired for 3 SEC losses, he got fired because he lost 3 games in the SEC and they hated his guts. If he had a personality the LSU fans could tolerate, he'd still be the coach. It's one of the few jobs in sports where they fully understand that you can't win them all, but losing with an asshole will not be tolerated. Ed Ogeron eventually got fired for all types of other shit, but losing these games wouldn't have done it.
Brian Fowler Posted October 27 Posted October 27 36 minutes ago, supremebve said: I get the joke and fully agree, but he didn't get fired for 3 SEC losses, he got fired because he lost 3 games in the SEC and they hated his guts. If he had a personality the LSU fans could tolerate, he'd still be the coach. It's one of the few jobs in sports where they fully understand that you can't win them all, but losing with an asshole will not be tolerated. Ed Ogeron eventually got fired for all types of other shit, but losing these games wouldn't have done it. I think he probably would've gotten at least another game or two if he wasn't an asshole, maybe even brought back for next year, but LSU absolutely expects national titles. Kelly is the first coach since Gerry Dinardo to not deliver one by year four, and that was going to have him on the hottest seat possible if he hadn't been fired. Ogeron got fired for all the off-field stuff and because he stopped winning. If they had remained a contender LSU would've kept on sweeping everything under the rug until it wasn't possible anymore. Hell, they fired Les Miles allegedly without even knowing about the off-field stuff.
Dolfan in NYC Posted October 27 Author Posted October 27 Oh, I can't wait to hear what Cajun Kelly did while he was head of the Louisiana State...
supremebve Posted October 27 Posted October 27 1 minute ago, Brian Fowler said: I think he probably would've gotten at least another game or two if he wasn't an asshole, maybe even brought back for next year, but LSU absolutely expects national titles. Kelly is the first coach since Gerry Dinardo to not deliver one by year four, and that was going to have him on the hottest seat possible if he hadn't been fired. Ogeron got fired for all the off-field stuff and because he stopped winning. If they had remained a contender LSU would've kept on sweeping everything under the rug until it wasn't possible anymore. Hell, they fired Les Miles allegedly without even knowing about the off-field stuff. I feel like LSU is a unique program where their talent base is so large that they'll eventually win a championship even if the coach is a buffoon. I'm pretty confident in my assessment that Brian Kelly is the best coach they've had since Saban as a purely X and O head coach. That's completely irrelevant at this job. In order to win at LSU, you have to be good at all the people stuff which is where Kelly is fucking terrible. It's a job where everyone involved from the recruits to the boosters expects you to charm them. Brian Kelly just doesn't have that in him. This is one of the worst coach to culture matches of all time.
Chaos Posted October 27 Posted October 27 (edited) Josh Pate vaguely chimed in about some things he heard. It will be interesting to see what else comes out of this. Meanwhile, Hugh Freeze is gainfully employed and I'm guessing John Cohen will get cold feet with some of these jobs coming open. I just want Jon Sumrall in Orange and Blue on the Plains next year. Also, this is fun/sad stat: Edited October 27 by Chaos
Pete Posted October 27 Posted October 27 Is it just me or have there been a ridiculous amount of in-season firings year? I never remember it being this nutty before.
Brian Fowler Posted October 27 Posted October 27 18 minutes ago, Pete said: Is it just me or have there been a ridiculous amount of in-season firings year? I never remember it being this nutty before. It's a fairly new thing in general, with rare exceptions. And last year the athletic departments seemed afraid to pull the trigger ahead of revenue sharing. But between the number of coaches fired already, and how high profile either the coach, job, or both are, it's been pretty staggering. Either Penn State or Florida, depending on your POV, is only the third best job currently open. That's crazy and then some.
Chaos Posted October 27 Posted October 27 It's also a tough environment because trying to pry away anyone from a playoff team is going to be tough, and you have signing day in early December. On top of that, the transfer portal is only once this year, and it's only for 15 days. My understanding is that players cannot enter the transfer portal for something like 5 days once a new coach is hired. (I can't recall the changes if the coach is fired too). That's why the Lane sweepstakes is interesting because Ole Miss will be a playoff team this year, so you would have to hope that they get bounced in the first round if you want progress. Otherwise, you're more or less punting on year one and going with the talent and recruiting classes that stick around, along with a couple of transfer additions.
RIPPA Posted October 27 Posted October 27 3 minutes ago, Chaos said: My understanding is that players cannot enter the transfer portal for something like 5 days once a new coach is hired. (I can't recall the changes if the coach is fired too). The rule now is that when a coach is fired players have 30 days to enter the portal. However, they can't play for two schools in a season (there is a little wackiness if its the start of the semester - like when UCLA hadn't started their semester yet since they were on Quarters)
RIPPA Posted October 27 Posted October 27 And not that is hasn't always been this way - but because of NIL money, donors are REALLY pressuring schools to make immediate changes now
Brian Fowler Posted October 27 Posted October 27 3 minutes ago, RIPPA said: The rule now is that when a coach is fired players have 30 days to enter the portal. That rule is changing at the end of this year though. Instead of a thirty day window opening when your coach is fired/quits it now is going to be a five day window that doesn't open until after the new coach is hired. Basically gives the new coach a chance to try to persuade kids to stay.
Chaos Posted October 27 Posted October 27 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RIPPA said: The rule now is that when a coach is fired players have 30 days to enter the portal. However, they can't play for two schools in a season (there is a little wackiness if its the start of the semester - like when UCLA hadn't started their semester yet since they were on Quarters) It updates this offseason (from CBSSports): The second alteration pertains to the transfer exceptions granted to players after coaching changes. The exception currently allows players to enter the transfer portal during a 30-day window that opens the day after their coach leaves or is fired. The committee approved a new format, however, that is shortened to 15 days and begins five days after a new coach is hired or announced, seemingly in an effort to crack down on midseason portal activity. Edited October 27 by Chaos
supremebve Posted October 27 Posted October 27 10 minutes ago, Chaos said: That's why the Lane sweepstakes is interesting because Ole Miss will be a playoff team this year, so you would have to hope that they get bounced in the first round if you want progress. Otherwise, you're more or less punting on year one and going with the talent and recruiting classes that stick around, along with a couple of transfer additions. I just learned that the most delightful phrase in all of sports is "The Lane Sweepstakes." There is no one in all of sports who has a greater combination of wunderkind and failson than Lane Kiffin. He's my favorite type of college football coach. I don't know if he's as good or as bad as he's been before, but as long as he's coaching somebody else's team I will be thoroughly entertained. 1
Chaos Posted October 27 Posted October 27 4 minutes ago, supremebve said: I just learned that the most delightful phrase in all of sports is "The Lane Sweepstakes." There is no one in all of sports who has a greater combination of wunderkind and failson than Lane Kiffin. He's my favorite type of college football coach. I don't know if he's as good or as bad as he's been before, but as long as he's coaching somebody else's team I will be thoroughly entertained. I think the Ole Miss version of him is the best version of him. Personally, after he turned down Auburn 3 years ago because his daughter asked him to, I kind of hoped he would stay in Oxford permanently. Him getting them to a playoff this year would already make him statue worthy on the Grove. 1
supremebve Posted October 27 Posted October 27 43 minutes ago, Chaos said: I think the Ole Miss version of him is the best version of him. Personally, after he turned down Auburn 3 years ago because his daughter asked him to, I kind of hoped he would stay in Oxford permanently. Him getting them to a playoff this year would already make him statue worthy on the Grove. That's the thing about Lane, he's clearly talented, but he's also the type of person who might piss everyone off to the point where they fire him at the airport. He's overachieved at Ole Miss, but he is going to leave because it's damn near impossible to win consistently at Ole Miss. He could legitimately be the best coach in the history of the program, but everyone believes that he's too ambitious to stay and become a legend at a school like Ole Miss. Add the fact that he has the same issues as Brian Kelly where people seem to hate his guts, makes this a tricky hire for everyone involved. The funny part, he's the exact type of unlikeable that might work at LSU. Kelly is the kind of unlikeable that makes you angry, Lane is the kind of unlikeable that makes you laugh. I don't think he'd do great at Penn State where they take themselves a little too seriously, but LSU could work. I'd say his personality could work at Florida as long as they're winning. Spurrier and Urban Meyer are both giant assholes, but they're assholes with championships.
Brian Fowler Posted October 27 Posted October 27 Thing is, if Lane still has Ole Miss playing past Christmas or later... He's not leaving during a national title run and can a team really wait until mid or even late January to hire a coach? Between firing coaches earlier and starting the carousel sooner, and national signing day happening early in the playoffs and the transfer portal opening during the playoffs as well... It's gonna be harder than ever to hire a head coach who makes the playoffs.
supremebve Posted October 27 Posted October 27 10 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: Thing is, if Lane still has Ole Miss playing past Christmas or later... He's not leaving during a national title run This is an assumption that does not take into account Lane's history of assholery. I don't think it's likely that he'd leave during a title run, but I'd bet Tennessee fans would disagree with your assumption. He's the exact type of person who would leave you high and dry if a better opportunity popped up.
Chaos Posted October 27 Posted October 27 1 hour ago, supremebve said: This is an assumption that does not take into account Lane's history of assholery. I don't think it's likely that he'd leave during a title run, but I'd bet Tennessee fans would disagree with your assumption. He's the exact type of person who would leave you high and dry if a better opportunity popped up. Lane has not won a Natty as an HC. He'll not ruin that in-season when things are going well. This Ole Miss team is capable of making a run, especially if the bracket plays to their favor. Any of your big 4 in the SEC this year would be capable of deep runs (Bama, Ole Miss, Georgia, A&M). The only one that will fall out before the season's end is Vandy. 1
Brian Fowler Posted October 27 Posted October 27 2 hours ago, supremebve said: This is an assumption that does not take into account Lane's history of assholery. I don't think it's likely that he'd leave during a title run, but I'd bet Tennessee fans would disagree with your assumption. He's the exact type of person who would leave you high and dry if a better opportunity popped up. Oh it's not that I think he's too honorable. It's that I think he wants a national title.
supremebve Posted October 27 Posted October 27 Don't get me wrong, this is not something that I think he'd actually do...but if anyone would do it, it would be Lane Kiffin. Currently, they are the fourth-highest-ranked SEC team. All four are likely to win out the regular season and then one team will lose the SEC championship game. That might drop them lower than Ole Miss, but then again, it might not. Ole Miss will not be ranked over those traditional powers if everything else is equal—Florida and LSU might. That's the dilemma that sketchy dude will be faced with. While I don't predict that he'll leave Ole Miss with a natty on the line, it's the exact situation that will test a dude like Lane.
Brian Fowler Posted October 28 Posted October 28 As a side note, if I was looking to hire a head coach at a big program but didn't want to wait for a playoff run to be over to get a current head coach, and maybe wanted to save a few bucks by not having to win a bidding war and give the guy everything he could possibly desire in his first contract, I would take a long hard look at Brian Hartline at Ohio State. On one hand, this is his first year calling plays, so maybe that's an issue. On the other, it's been eleven straight champions where the head coach didn't call plays (last one to win a Natty as the playcaller was Jimbo) and Hartline is a relentless recruiter who has turned his main unit at Ohio State, the wide receiver group, into a non-stop parade of first round draft picks (they've had at least one receiver go in the first round in four straight years, five dudes altogether, and Tate will almost certainly continue the streak.) Furthermore, none of the three active head coaches with national titles had ever been a head coach before that job.
supremebve Posted October 28 Posted October 28 1 hour ago, Brian Fowler said: As a side note, if I was looking to hire a head coach at a big program but didn't want to wait for a playoff run to be over to get a current head coach, and maybe wanted to save a few bucks by not having to win a bidding war and give the guy everything he could possibly desire in his first contract, I would take a long hard look at Brian Hartline at Ohio State. On one hand, this is his first year calling plays, so maybe that's an issue. On the other, it's been eleven straight champions where the head coach didn't call plays (last one to win a Natty as the playcaller was Jimbo) and Hartline is a relentless recruiter who has turned his main unit at Ohio State, the wide receiver group, into a non-stop parade of first round draft picks (they've had at least one receiver go in the first round in four straight years, five dudes altogether, and Tate will almost certainly continue the streak.) As an Ohio State fan if we have to choose between losing Brian Hartline or shitcanning Ryan Day, Ryan Day would already be gone. Hartline is much more valuable than Day in my mind and I don't think I'm alone. He's an Ohio State lifer and if I had to guess, they're trying to groom him into the head coach of the future.
Brian Fowler Posted October 28 Posted October 28 2 hours ago, supremebve said: As an Ohio State fan if we have to choose between losing Brian Hartline or shitcanning Ryan Day, Ryan Day would already be gone. Hartline is much more valuable than Day in my mind and I don't think I'm alone. He's an Ohio State lifer and if I had to guess, they're trying to groom him into the head coach of the future. The problem is Day is only eight years older than him, and that Natty pretty much locked him in for years to come, even with his Michigan problem (that Lord willing will continue forever) and I don't know Hartline will want to wait him out. Even if that is dream job, he might see a better path in leaving and then maybe coming back if/when it opens. Somebody should at least kick the tires on it. Maybe it'll get him gigantic raise if nothing else.
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