AEW TV - 10/15 - 10/21/2025 - Jurassic Of Myself When I Look At You

[The Natural]

3 hours ago, SovietShooter said:

As someone that only kinda follows NJPW news from afar... What main event draws do they have worthy of main eventing the dome? Seems like WK this year is focused solely on Tanahashi's final match. Does NJPW have any homegrowns that could fill that role as a top draw, or are NJPW fans just wishing for something that doesn't exist right now?

People are speculating Konosuke Takeshita defending the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship vs. Kazuchika Okada for the Wrestle Kingdom 20 main event but I don't see it. Takeshita takes stick as he's not a full time IWGP wrestler working for AEW/DDT and Kazuchika Okada left for AEW. Optics don't look good for up and comer full timers like Yota Tsuji and Yuya Uemura getting passed over for Takeshita/Okada.

For what Hiroshi Tanahashi has given to wrestling, I think he should get the main event but I don't think he will. I can see Konosuke Takeshita vs. Yota Tsuji for the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship. Thing is Yota Tsuji is the IWGP Global Champion and I REALLY don't want a unification match like the IWGP Heavyweight Championship and IWGP Intercontinental Championship were. It was stupid doing that and inferior replacements in the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship, the IWGP United States Heavyweight Championship and the IWGP Global Heavyweight Championship.

I'd have Konosuke Takeshita vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi trying to win the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship he's never held but then you're giving the run to someone who isn't a full timer but has made the big shows in the G1 Climax, King of Pro-Wrestling and Wrestle Kingdom.

Hope this helps.

[The Natural]

12 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Sting was coming off the Starcade match with Hogan. He was so uninspired at that time and I can't really blame him. Imagine being the Ace for so long then you have to take a backseat to not only Hogan, but Nash and Hall. If you compare that time to his TNA and even AEW run, he really put in the effort when he could've just phoned it in and Noone would have an issue. 97/98 was a dark time for him personally but even still. He was only in the Wolfpac so Nash could keep him just below him. Konnan was the one that actually made it work. I see why he and Nash fell out for a second after it ended. I could see Hogan looking at how over Konnan was then decided to get back on with Nash. Don't get me wrong,  Nash was over too but Konnan made the Wolfpac work.

Starrcade 1997 was the beginning of the end for WCW. Fuck Hogan and Bischoff royally for that. Fuck Hogan and Nash for the Fingerpoke of Doom. Those were the two biggest nails in the coffin for WCW by far. The third was bringing Vince Russo in. Sucks Sting's popularity was at an all time high in 1996-1998 when having personal issues.

[SovietShooter]

40 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Optics don't look good for up and comer full timers like Yota Tsuji and Yuya Uemura getting passed over for Takeshita/Okada.

Would either of those two guys headlining against Takeshita actually draw?  The WK attendance record is 43K, and the worst non-covid draw was 18K - what would Takeshita vs Tsuji draw without Tanahashi's retirement propping up the card?  

I mean, it makes sense to use this card to make a new star at the top, but is Tsuji that guy?  

[The Natural]

3 minutes ago, SovietShooter said:

Would either of those two guys headlining against Takeshita actually draw?  The WK attendance record is 43K, and the worst non-covid draw was 18K - what would Takeshita vs Tsuji draw without Tanahashi's retirement propping up the card?  

I mean, it makes sense to use this card to make a new star at the top, but is Tsuji that guy?  

I think Yota Tsuji or Yuya Uemura is the new guy to get behind. I do think Wrestle Kingdom 20 would be in big trouble without Hiroshi Tanahashi's retirement match as the draw to it. Plus NJPW losing Kazuchika Okada, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Tetsuya Naito and Kenny Omega.

[tbarrie]

Today I learned that New Japan has both a "World Heavyweight Champion" and a "Global Heavyweight Champion". Did they look at WWE and their synonymously named titles and get jealous?

More seriously, do they have any sort of roster split to give even a bad reason why they have two titles whose names mean "world title"?

[The Natural]

25 minutes ago, tbarrie said:

Today I learned that New Japan has both a "World Heavyweight Champion" and a "Global Heavyweight Champion". Did they look at WWE and their synonymously named titles and get jealous?

More seriously, do they have any sort of roster split to give even a bad reason why they have two titles whose names mean "world title"?

1. Possibly. I fucking hate the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship. It's ugly as fuck replacing the IWGP Heavyweight Championship V4, one of the best looking belts ever. The IWGP World Heavyweight Championship main plate is too small, the side plates too big and the leather strap too long.

2. No roster split. Makes sense in WWE when the roster split is strictly enforced but the names, Undisputed WWE Championship (SmackDown) contradicts World Heavyweight Championship (RAW).

[Technico Support]

2 hours ago, The Natural said:

Starrcade 1997 was the beginning of the end for WCW. Fuck Hogan and Bischoff royally for that. Fuck Hogan and Nash for the Fingerpoke of Doom. Those were the two biggest nails in the coffin for WCW by far. The third was bringing Vince Russo in. Sucks Sting's popularity was at an all time high in 1996-1998 when having personal issues.

I was at that show and man, the malaise in the crowd leaving the arena was palpable.  People were seriously bummed.  We came for Sting’s coronation and the NWO getting their comeuppance, and we got whatever the fuck that shit was.  Fans were walking down the street in a daze like “what the fuck did I just watch?”

[The Natural]

21 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

I was at that show and man, the malaise in the crowd leaving the arena was palpable.  People were seriously bummed.  We came for Sting’s coronation and the NWO getting their comeuppance, and we got whatever the fuck that shit was.  Fans were walking down the street in a daze like “what the fuck did I just watch?”

WCW dropped the ball when it mattered most. I'm still fucking pissed at fuck Hogan/Bischoff for Starrcade 1997. Such self harm. Feel bad for you seeing WCW Starrcade 1997 and WCW The Great American Bash 1991 in person.

[just drew]

I was at the Fingerpoke of Doom and SAME...

[Technico Support]

3 hours ago, The Natural said:

WCW dropped the ball when it mattered most. I'm still fucking pissed at fuck Hogan/Bischoff for Starrcade 1997. Such self harm. Feel bad for you seeing WCW Starrcade 1997 and WCW The Great American Bash 1991 in person.

Well Bash 91 was like going to a the worst burger place in town and getting a really bad burger.  Starrcade 97 was like going to a hot restaurant that's getting rave reviews, and getting kicked in the balls and thrown out the door.

[Ziggy]

4 hours ago, just drew said:

I was at the Fingerpoke of Doom and SAME...

Thats the same show with Goldberg getting arrested? I like Nash but he was booking at that point. If he wasn't,  he had Bischoff ear. It was really now excuse to take the title of Goldberg except for Nash to be the one to say he did it.

I don't think Bischoff was that bad of a promoter. I think if the wasn't so far up Hogan tail and worried about pleasing him and Nash too. WCW would have been so much more progressive.  As much shit he talks about Bret Hart, I truly believe he would have allowed Bret to have a strong that he should have had. I believe Eric had every intention on featuring Bret Hart probably when he signed him. As much of Eric Bischoff wanted to stick it Vince the best way to do that wouldn't have been to allow Bret to shine and work at his full potential. He was the most sympathetic babyface based off Montréal. If Hogan and Nash wasn't so threatened by Bret, I think he would have took advantage of the sympathy he had.

If Vince McMahon was able to be the hottest heel in the business by accident off Montreal and turn business around and Austin became the hottest babyface ever. Then there is no reason why Bret shouldn't have be had years of being the hottest babyface based off that real life situation. 

If Eric was smart , he should've just told Hogan to sit out for several months and let Bret get over in WCW convince Nash and Hulk to do business down the line instead of cutting him off at the knees from the jump.

Edited October 18, 2025 by Ziggy

[JLowe]

9 hours ago, Ziggy said:

Sting was coming off the Starcade match with Hogan. He was so uninspired at that time and I can't really blame him. Imagine being the Ace for so long then you have to take a backseat to not only Hogan, but Nash and Hall. If you compare that time to his TNA and even AEW run, he really put in the effort when he could've just phoned it in and Noone would have an issue. 97/98 was a dark time for him personally but even still. He was only in the Wolfpac so Nash could keep him just below him. Konnan was the one that actually made it work. I see why he and Nash fell out for a second after it ended. I could see Hogan looking at how over Konnan was then decided to get back on with Nash. Don't get me wrong,  Nash was over too but Konnan made the Wolfpac work.

 Even at the time though, and I am going on 54 so take it with a grain of salt, regular NWO was lame because of Hogan and the B-Team (who were at least entertaining), and Wolfpack was lame because it was a bunch of white dudes older than me, and Konnan who always kinda sucked, acting like they were gangstas. Sting and Luger were funny because Sting was just showing his goofy side again a little and Luger was just comically corny even trying to pull that off, as opposed to Nash who thought he looked cool.

In retrospect, the cruiserweights and the TV title lower/midcard were truly the redeeming value of WCW at that point.

[HarryArchieGus]

40 minutes ago, JLowe said:

 Even at the time though, and I am going on 54 so take it with a grain of salt, regular NWO was lame because of Hogan and the B-Team (who were at least entertaining), and Wolfpack was lame because it was a bunch of white dudes older than me, and Konnan who always kinda sucked, acting like they were gangstas. Sting and Luger were funny because Sting was just showing his goofy side again a little and Luger was just comically corny even trying to pull that off, as opposed to Nash who thought he looked cool.

In retrospect, the cruiserweights and the TV title lower/midcard were truly the redeeming value of WCW at that point.

I thought I was the lone B team fan. I loved that crew and especially their Thunder skits. Yay to the B team, and nay to the Wolfpac. Including sworn enemies of the NWO like Luger and Sting in the Wolfpac was some of the worst, most frustrating booking of that era. The actual NWO Wolfpac vs. Hollywood feud was on par with WWE's booking of the WCW invasion.

[The Natural]

9 hours ago, JLowe said:

 Even at the time though, and I am going on 54 so take it with a grain of salt, regular NWO was lame because of Hogan and the B-Team (who were at least entertaining), and Wolfpack was lame because it was a bunch of white dudes older than me, and Konnan who always kinda sucked, acting like they were gangstas. Sting and Luger were funny because Sting was just showing his goofy side again a little and Luger was just comically corny even trying to pull that off, as opposed to Nash who thought he looked cool.

In retrospect, the cruiserweights and the TV title lower/midcard were truly the redeeming value of WCW at that point.

The cruiserweights wrestling for the WCW Cruiserweight Championship and the WCW World Television Championship carried WCW inside the ring in 1996-1999.

8 hours ago, HarryArchieGus said:

I thought I was the lone B team fan. I loved that crew and especially their Thunder skits. Yay to the B team, and nay to the Wolfpac. Including sworn enemies of the NWO like Luger and Sting in the Wolfpac was some of the worst, most frustrating booking of that era. The actual NWO Wolfpac vs. Hollywood feud was on par with WWE's booking of the WCW invasion.

Yeah, the bolded especially pissed me off.

[Gorman]

From King of Atlanta, Page 146:

"Luger was so much happier as a member of the cool nWo Wolfpac than as a WCW guy fighting the nWo. He was like the last friend in the group to get his driver's license."

[porksweats]

1 hour ago, Gorman said:

From King of Atlanta, Page 146:

"Luger was so much happier as a member of the cool nWo Wolfpac than as a WCW guy fighting the nWo. He was like the last friend in the group to get his driver's license."

As a wrestling fan who got into it as the Wolfpac formed, I always though Wolfpac Luger was the coolest honestly. Part of that may have been due to the torture rack though.

[Technico Support]

1 hour ago, Gorman said:

From King of Atlanta, Page 146:

"Luger was so much happier as a member of the cool nWo Wolfpac than as a WCW guy fighting the nWo. He was like the last friend in the group to get his driver's license."

And much like driver’s licenses, there really should be an upper age limit for wearing FUBU.

[username]

On 10/17/2025 at 10:41 PM, HarryArchieGus said:

I thought I was the lone B team fan.

I mean I'm sure more than a few of us are old enough to remember the Adventures of the NWO B-Team.

[RazorbladeKiss87]

I tried to download the Wolfpac theme from a p2p platform and it definitely was labeled as being performed by Usher. 

[SovietShooter]

According to Spotify, the rapper on the track is C-Murder. 

[RazorbladeKiss87]

10 hours ago, SovietShooter said:

According to Spotify, the rapper on the track is C-Murder. 

Had Master P shown up when Wolfpac was formed? I thought that was later. I wonder how C-Murder was contracted. Very random choice without an existing No Limit relationship.  

[Ramo2653]

16 hours ago, SovietShooter said:

According to Spotify, the rapper on the track is C-Murder. 

I've always wondered about that, it's not quite his usual cadence or voice. I wonder if Nash or someone from that time has an interview about it.

[twiztor]

according to a hip-hop subreddit, it's not the No Limit C-Murder.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/teit34/cmurder_nwo_wolfpac/?captcha=1

 

[Technico Support]

6 hours ago, twiztor said:

according to a hip-hop subreddit, it's not the No Limit C-Murder.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/teit34/cmurder_nwo_wolfpac/?captcha=1

 

It was the Chinese knockoff, Xi Murder

[Cobra Commander]

if they did a Bandido/Okada title vs title match, would the winner be the ROH Unified Champion or the Unified ROH Champ?