October 2025 Wrestling Discussion

[Hamhock]

15 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

If there was any footage for June 1980, we would have seen Hogan/Monsoon

All we have is news footage from earlier that year with some highlights of a different house show match:

Hogan drops the big leg, brother.

Edit: apparently there is footage of the June ‘80 MSG house show - news highlights on this Facebook video.

Edited October 8, 2025 by Hamhock

[Curt McGirt]

Getting back to Dr. D, didn't he say him and Hogan were gonna have a program? And could he have had a chance in Japan? They sure as hell didn't care if he wore a swastika shirt, and he had to have worked stiff enough for them. 

[odessasteps]

I can see Dr D being ione of those guys who didn’t want hassle of going to Japan, even for the money.

Edited October 8, 2025 by odessasteps

[Ziggy]

2 hours ago, twiztor said:

Stevie Richards, the lovable loser character, played his role in ECW perfectly. 

I really like it too . I remember as a kid really it was one of my favorite things on WCW before he left. I enjoyed the flock too but it would have been nice if he eventually got to work matches. He was too nice to really get over in WWE. I could see Russo trying to push him or do something with him if he was  around longer in '99 , '00 considering Russo was the one advocating to bring in all those ECW talent that came in to WWF around the time he left 

[odessasteps]

You can def see that listening to him talking about his wwf tenure.

[Mister TV]

46 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

Getting back to Dr. D, didn't he say him and Hogan were gonna have a program? And could he have had a chance in Japan? They sure as hell didn't care if he wore a swastika shirt, and he had to have worked stiff enough for them. 

Schultz had a run of matches with Hogan in 1984, I can’t see them going back to him in 1985 when you had fresh heels rolling on every few weeks. Also, even before the Stossel incident Schultz was being pushed down the card jobbing to Tony Atlas and on the night of the slap he basically got squashed by Inoki.  

[Curt McGirt]

Well Inoki wasn't gonna lose to anyone of course. 

Here's a thought while I'm watching Kevin Knight fight FTR Bald on Collision: has there ever been a situation where opposing sides of tag teams fought singles matches, and then a rubber match with both teams? You could even split the singles matches between both sides to have four whole singles then the tag to decide. (I... I probably shouldn't give Coach TK any ideas.)

[JLowe]

12 hours ago, porksweats said:

That June card sounds the best out of the lot but seeing another IC title change is definitely a higher priority.

I’d still take Backlund-Zybzsko over an IC title change 

[colonial]

2 hours ago, Hamhock said:

All we have is news footage from earlier that year with some highlights of a different house show match:

Hogan drops the big leg, brother.

Edit: apparently there is footage of the June ‘80 MSG house show - news highlights on this Facebook video.

You knew it was a day or two after an MSG house show in the 80s when Warner Wolf showed the highlights on WCBS.

[porksweats]

1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:

Well Inoki wasn't gonna lose to anyone of course. 

Here's a thought while I'm watching Kevin Knight fight FTR Bald on Collision: has there ever been a situation where opposing sides of tag teams fought singles matches, and then a rubber match with both teams? You could even split the singles matches between both sides to have four whole singles then the tag to decide. (I... I probably shouldn't give Coach TK any ideas.)

I feel that was the part of the lead-up to one of the first 2 TLCs in WWF, singles matches between members of the three teams.

[RazorbladeKiss87]

1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:

Well Inoki wasn't gonna lose to anyone of course. 

Here's a thought while I'm watching Kevin Knight fight FTR Bald on Collision: has there ever been a situation where opposing sides of tag teams fought singles matches, and then a rubber match with both teams? You could even split the singles matches between both sides to have four whole singles then the tag to decide. (I... I probably shouldn't give Coach TK any ideas.)

You know, it needs a name...something catchy. It's got teams so that's gotta be in there. It's challenging to win so many matches....in a series....

 

Team Challenge Series 2026. Come on TK

[Cobra Commander]

1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:

Here's a thought while I'm watching Kevin Knight fight FTR Bald on Collision: has there ever been a situation where opposing sides of tag teams fought singles matches, and then a rubber match with both teams? You could even split the singles matches between both sides to have four whole singles then the tag to decide. (I... I probably shouldn't give Coach TK any ideas.)

pretty sure some version of this happened on spot shows in territories where they used under 10 wrestlers for an entire card

[The Natural]

Raven has Parkinson's disease. Such a cruel disease. My Grandad who was like a second Dad to me had it 27 years, longer than anyone where I live. Best wishes go out to Raven.

[The Natural]

11 hours ago, The Natural said:

Raven has Parkinson's disease. Such a cruel disease. My Grandad who was like a second Dad to me had it 27 years, longer than anyone where I live. Best wishes go out to Raven.

Had to stop myself saying Rayven instead of Raven. Rayven was my dog, best dog I've ever had. Rayven was diagnosed with a rare cancer in May 2021, somehow made her 6th birthday in August 2021 and passed away September 2021. Losing Rayven was one of the five worst losses in my life, she was everything to me. Today is Rayven's gotcha day 10 years ago. Love and miss you, Ray' xxx.

Edited October 9, 2025 by The Natural

[The Green Meanie]

8 hours ago, twiztor said:

Stevie Richards, the lovable loser character

i also like his podcast, albeit in short youtube vids rather than a full hour+ sitting. He just seems like such a genuinely good dude.

According to Don Callis, just plain loser:

[zendragon]

12 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

wrestling angle idea that would probably be hated: an AI manager who only exists in backstage promos who eventually brings in real wrestlers and eventually the person controlling the AI manager is revealed (maybe it'll be like the Dangerous Alliance and that person is gonna use AI to destroy the WWE)

well, they kinda did that with the Anonymous Raw GM angle

but the only company that likes managers enough to give them consistent airtime is AEW and I suspect that AEW is less likely to do that gimmick than the WWE

Didn't the York foundation kinda do this using a computer? (and Paul Ellering when he managed the harris twins)

[zendragon]

10 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

Well Inoki wasn't gonna lose to anyone of course. 

Here's a thought while I'm watching Kevin Knight fight FTR Bald on Collision: has there ever been a situation where opposing sides of tag teams fought singles matches, and then a rubber match with both teams? You could even split the singles matches between both sides to have four whole singles then the tag to decide. (I... I probably shouldn't give Coach TK any ideas.)

In his book Steve Hall mentions doing spot shows with four wrestlers, 2 singles matches and a tag

[Dolfan in NYC]

14 hours ago, Hamhock said:

All we have is news footage from earlier that year with some highlights of a different house show match:

 

Couple things here, this is kayfabe but hinting at stuff that would eventually come out.  (Most notably that Hulk was a horrible person.)

Also when she incredulously says it's "Gorilla's air punch" you can see he chops Hogan *real* good.  I know Gorilla was a pro, but that definitely stung. 

Also, lol at the Wild Samoans pretending not to speak English.  That's the best bit. 

 

I wonder what it would have taken back then to get a worker to drop kayfabe. Like, how good a friend did you have to be to know who Terry & Gino actually were or was that something saved exclusively for The Boys and significant others. 

[Pete]

10 minutes ago, Dolfan in NYC said:

I wonder what it would have taken back then to get a worker to drop kayfabe. Like, how good a friend did you have to be to know who Terry & Gino actually were or was that something saved exclusively for The Boys and significant others. 

This photo from 1972 or so might be as close as they ever got to breaking kayfabe. And even then they could spin it as Vince threatening to blackball them if they couldn't "just pose for one stinking photo, goddammit!"

[The Natural]

Thank you, Mick Foley.

[twiztor]

3 hours ago, zendragon said:

Didn't the York foundation kinda do this using a computer? (and Paul Ellering when he managed the harris twins)

this was my first thought too. Between AI and sabermetrics, there's definitely a story that could be told there. But as i'm typing this, i feel like we just had this convo a couple months ago. 

14 hours ago, Ziggy said:

[Stevie Richards] was too nice to really get over in WWE. I could see Russo trying to push him or do something with him if he was around longer in '99, '00 considering Russo was the one advocating to bring in all those ECW talent that came in to WWF around the time he left 

this reminds me that i'm still hoping for a leak/release of the "Blond Bytch Project", a series of skits parodying Blair Witch Project and Sable. Shot in '99 with Stevie and Meanie but never aired. 

[Mister TV]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

This photo from 1972 or so might be as close as they ever got to breaking kayfabe. And even then they could spin it as Vince threatening to blackball them if they couldn't "just pose for one stinking photo, goddammit!"

That picture works due to Pedro and Stasiak both looking like they don't want to be there.

 

The heels and faces can't interact in public no matter the circumstances was nonsense and the level Bill Watts made everyone take it to was preposterous. If a non-feuding heel and face are in the same bar why should it be an issue? They're supposed to be prize fighters, why are they supposed to dislike or fight each other for free if they have no beef?

[The Natural]

37 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Thank you, Mick Foley.

I've only met a few famous people in person, thankfully never had a bad experience. Mick Foley was the best. Once in a lifetime opportunity that. I was so stiff standing for a long time waiting.

[Technico Support]

29 minutes ago, twiztor said:

this was my first thought too. Between AI and sabermetrics, there's definitely a story that could be told there. But as i'm typing this, i feel like we just had this convo a couple months ago. 

this reminds me that i'm still hoping for a leak/release of the "Blond Bytch Project", a series of skits parodying Blair Witch Project and Sable. Shot in '99 with Stevie and Meanie but never aired. 

The whole late 80s/early 90s concept of "COMPUTERS~!" as a panacea, as magic, is exactly how we as a society are looking at AI now.  "Terry Taylor is unbeatable because Alexandra York can ask the computer for the perfect strategy to win"  is the same as "we can just ask AI to work on a cure for cancer!"

I swear I saw one Blond Bytch Project vignette on Sunday Night Heat.  Checking as I write this...yes, Wrestlecrap says the first ep aired and then McMahon told Russo to forget about it because he didn't get it.

[Cobra Commander]

Really the problem with a non-feuding face and heel interacting is that in Bill Watts kayfabe, if Bobby Eaton and Hacksaw Duggan interact, well Bobby shares a locker room with people who are in an on-screen feud with Duggan and Duggan shares a locker room with people who are in an onscreen feud with Eaton/Condrey/Cornette. But yeah Watts didn’t consider the concept of feuding sides just ignoring each other if they were in the same store.

So which current large wrestler would have the best dropkick if they threw one. I don’t watch much WWE but if Otis threw a dropkick, I’d think that the crowd would pop for that and Otis seems like a very athletic large man who Jim Ross would have sent to fat camp. Once again, it’s possible Otis has been throwing dropkicks and I just never saw it.

Speaking of dropkicks, only a few weeks until the start of Scorpio’s trial a county north of me. The trial for Scorp stabbing a man at a Love’s Truckstop in June 2024. Just thought to check that with the Mark Sanchez stabbing in the news.