October 2025 Wrestling Discussion

[Curt McGirt]

It would be cool to support that just to watch the top ten or twenty of all the '80s sets. I might just do that. (Remember, in the Dead Projects section on here there's still the match lists, rated!). 

This also makes me sad that with all that footage that came out, there was never a Houston set made. 

[Technico Support]

2 hours ago, Zimbra said:

I've been alternating between Horsemen, Regal, and Dustin as the mood strikes me.  Also the first disc of Vader because I'd never seen the Baby Bull/Bull Power stuff.

There's just so much wrestling and so little time.

Aw man, you’re telling me.  I look at my YouTube “watch later” list, get intimidated and overwhelmed , and then close it and scroll useless bullshit instead.

[odessasteps]

Foley DVDs too? 

[Curt McGirt]

I've got a bookmarks list you wouldn't believe. Films included.

[RazorbladeKiss87]

3 hours ago, NikoBaltimore said:

I barely paid attention to it this month due to Halloween and ECW stuff.  But from what I saw last month and before the Patreon is well worth its weight in gold.  Once I finish the Horsemen comp (on 14 out of 40) I'll feel a mighty sense of accomplishment.  They also have a Kofi page where you can subscribe to that for $10 and get a shitton of wrestling from 1899 onward.

Are they disc images or like mp4 files?

[southofheavy]

14 hours ago, The Natural said:

Thanks for reminding me to seek that out. What's the name of the show? Cheers.

Here's the match:
 

 

[SirSmUgly]

Probably an unpopular opinion here, but I've just seen all of this Bray Wyatt/Fiend/Firefly Fun House stuff for the first time and I loved it. It was extremly high-concept (for pro wrestling) and was only held back by two things: 1) Bray not being much of a worker and 2) WWE not being a great place for this sort of concept. 

Maybe it's because I'm so focused on the show right now, but I think this would have been perfect for Lucha Underground, both in terms of fitting the supernatural tenor of a lot of its storylines and because Wyatt's matches would have the benefit of post-production and could rely on lots of blood and weaponry. Also, it's very dumb to have Seth Rollins standing in the ring watching a Firefly Fun House on the TitanTron and responding directly to it. This would have been better served in a LU-style interstitial rather than trying to jam a FFH-based promo battle into the typical in-ring yapfest structure. 

(Also, why the fuck is your world champion reacting to the Fiend like said champion is the final girl in a horror film? And maybe that's not even fair because final girls in horror films find their pluck and become badasses. Laurie Strode would have slapped the shit out of Rollins for cowering like a punk motherfucker. Actually, every facial expression that Rollins is directed to make in these promo battles and confrontations is completely wrong. Like, why would he be grinning with fondness at a Wyatt-affiliated rabbit puppet that is proclaiming to be his biggest fan? Rollins absolutely sucks, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't also tanked by the terrible treatment of his character in these segments.)

It also doesn't help that when Wyatt starts blit-blurting into the arena and attacking people, Michael Cole's lack of talent combined with his being poorly produced lead to him flatly declaring things like OH NO, NOT HERE, NOT NOW or HE'S ATTACKING WITH THE MANDIBLE CLAW, FOLEY'S OLD MOVE and just completely undercutting the tenor of what I'm watching. I have no idea how people watch modern WWE merely from an aesthetic standpoint. It's so incredibly bland. Then again, most modern WWE fans seem...let's say a little dull and a little slow, present WWE-watching company obviously excepted. Probably it's mostly the too-online ones, but the crowds in 2019 were fucking quiet for everything they were watching from these clips.

I also approve of Bray bringing back the Mandible Claw. 

This gimmick does go off the rails by about late October, though I still think Bray is doing good things in the gimmick and that the problem is the rest of the company around him. And Goldberg being the one to get the rub from beating him is peak corporate-era WWE. I liked what I saw of this Firefly Fun House Match against Cena, which was a neat sort of bow on the whole deal (at least for me), but I'm sort of surprised that Cena let his whole character get critically eviscerated by Bray like that, pitching him as a bully who secretly was driven by massive self-doubt and fear of failure. By the end of it, I wanted to see Bray tear down the Hulk Hogan character next. 

After that, I saw annoying ass Alexa Bliss and even more annoying ass Braun Strowman and figured that it was time to exit the stream. 

Any of you who read this, I'm excited to finally join you in 2019, and I'm confident that the years ahead will all be smooth sailing!

[Ziggy]

3 hours ago, twiztor said:

the two i'm surprised haven't been made are Terry Funk and Harley Race. Both big stars for extended periods of time, both have success in multiple promotions, both have had stints in WWE.

During the period of the Mid 2005s when they were releasing DVD on people, it was mostly of the guys that were currently working in the company. Dibiase, Dusty , Steamboat , 4 horseman. Other than that it was people that were posthumously put in the Hall of Fame. Terry Funk was on the payroll a few weeks around the second ONS the ECW reboot in WWE. WWE wasn't going to put out a DVD for someone who wasn't sticking around and have to play commercials on their TV for someone that wasn't going to be their. I definitely see someone like Brian Solomon who worked pushing for a Harley Race or a Funk DVD and Vince McMahon thinking his audience wouldn't care enough.

No way Steamboat or Dusty would have a WWE released  DVD if they weren't in significant roles at the time .

Edited November 1, 2025 by Ziggy

[The Natural]

44 minutes ago, southofheavy said:

Here's the match:
 

 

Thank you very much.

[Eivion]

1 hour ago, SirSmUgly said:

I liked what I saw of this Firefly Fun House Match against Cena, which was a neat sort of bow on the whole deal (at least for me), but I'm sort of surprised that Cena let his whole character get critically eviscerated by Bray like that, pitching him as a bully who secretly was driven by massive self-doubt and fear of failure.

What makes this more surprising and amusing is apparently Cena actually wrote the match so it was his idea to get eviscerated by Bray.

[The Natural]

3 hours ago, SirSmUgly said:

Probably an unpopular opinion here, but I've just seen all of this Bray Wyatt/Fiend/Firefly Fun House stuff for the first time and I loved it. It was extremly high-concept (for pro wrestling) and was only held back by two things: 1) Bray not being much of a worker and 2) WWE not being a great place for this sort of concept. 

Maybe it's because I'm so focused on the show right now, but I think this would have been perfect for Lucha Underground, both in terms of fitting the supernatural tenor of a lot of its storylines and because Wyatt's matches would have the benefit of post-production and could rely on lots of blood and weaponry. Also, it's very dumb to have Seth Rollins standing in the ring watching a Firefly Fun House on the TitanTron and responding directly to it. This would have been better served in a LU-style interstitial rather than trying to jam a FFH-based promo battle into the typical in-ring yapfest structure. 

(Also, why the fuck is your world champion reacting to the Fiend like said champion is the final girl in a horror film? And maybe that's not even fair because final girls in horror films find their pluck and become badasses. Laurie Strode would have slapped the shit out of Rollins for cowering like a punk motherfucker. Actually, every facial expression that Rollins is directed to make in these promo battles and confrontations is completely wrong. Like, why would he be grinning with fondness at a Wyatt-affiliated rabbit puppet that is proclaiming to be his biggest fan? Rollins absolutely sucks, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't also tanked by the terrible treatment of his character in these segments.)

It also doesn't help that when Wyatt starts blit-blurting into the arena and attacking people, Michael Cole's lack of talent combined with his being poorly produced lead to him flatly declaring things like OH NO, NOT HERE, NOT NOW or HE'S ATTACKING WITH THE MANDIBLE CLAW, FOLEY'S OLD MOVE and just completely undercutting the tenor of what I'm watching. I have no idea how people watch modern WWE merely from an aesthetic standpoint. It's so incredibly bland. Then again, most modern WWE fans seem...let's say a little dull and a little slow, present WWE-watching company obviously excepted. Probably it's mostly the too-online ones, but the crowds in 2019 were fucking quiet for everything they were watching from these clips.

I also approve of Bray bringing back the Mandible Claw. 

This gimmick does go off the rails by about late October, though I still think Bray is doing good things in the gimmick and that the problem is the rest of the company around him. And Goldberg being the one to get the rub from beating him is peak corporate-era WWE. I liked what I saw of this Firefly Fun House Match against Cena, which was a neat sort of bow on the whole deal (at least for me), but I'm sort of surprised that Cena let his whole character get critically eviscerated by Bray like that, pitching him as a bully who secretly was driven by massive self-doubt and fear of failure. By the end of it, I wanted to see Bray tear down the Hulk Hogan character next. 

After that, I saw annoying ass Alexa Bliss and even more annoying ass Braun Strowman and figured that it was time to exit the stream. 

Any of you who read this, I'm excited to finally join you in 2019, and I'm confident that the years ahead will all be smooth sailing!

Welcome aboard. I think it's only me, you and @DreamBroken who liked this Bray Wyatt incarnation. Please speak up if I missed anyone.  I loved Bray Wyatt as the happy go lucky kids TV presenter and then the horror character, The Fiend. I do wish they kept his SummerSlam 2019 entrance with the white spotlights when he entered the ring to the red lights and how they stayed on the whole match. Great presentation. Glad I got to experience Cult leader Bray Wyatt's entrance and the Fiend's entrance at two house shows I went to. Hated the Hell in a Cell 2019 match with Seth Rolins. No wonder Seth wanted to strangle Vince McMahon afterwards. X-Pac summed that match up in one sentence on the live watchalong better than anybody.

Bullshit Bray dropped the WWE Universal Championship to Bill Goldberg and then lost to Randy Orton, his final match as the Fiend. The wrong guy went over both. The Firefly Fun House match with John Cena is one of the best cinematic bouts ever. I really like Bray Wyatt and Alexa Bliss but I didn't like their pairing solely how it came about with Bray attacking Bliss. I don't like women getting attacked by a man.

Bray needed to reinvent himself, took a punt and won as he was treading water in 2018, the year before the Firefly Fun House/The Fiend. I do prefer cult leader Bray Wyatt though.

Edited November 1, 2025 by The Natural

[The Natural]

3 minutes ago, The Natural said:

I loved Bray Wyatt as the happy go lucky kids TV presenter and then the horror character, The Fiend. I do wish they kept his SummerSlam 2019 entrance with the white spotlights when he entered the ring to the red lights and how they stayed on the whole match. Great presentation. 

Here's the SummerSlam 2019 entrance:

1:58.

[Cobra Commander]

while Hunter is what he is as a booker, how does the Fiend/Firefly go with HHH running things instead of End Times Vince? even if Bray probably had a certain amount of autonomy, there might be a fair question of "what if most of the show wasn't fucking laborious to watch"

[Johnny Sorrow]

10 hours ago, supremebve said:

So, you don't have any Abe Lincoln matches?  Seriously, step your game up.

My friends at BOOM Pro Wrestling got it covered.

[Eivion]

3 hours ago, The Natural said:

Welcome aboard. I think it's only me, you and @DreamBroken who liked this Bray Wyatt incarnation. Please speak up if I missed anyone.

I think that Jekyll/Hyde version of Bray is legit the most interesting he was as a character. I was a fan of the overall concept for sure. I just also think SirSmUgly had it right about it not being something that could work in WWE, especially modern day WWE. Even back then I felt it was off. The Fiend in particular looked amazing, but how could anyone realistically work a match against that?

 

1 hour ago, Cobra Commander said:

while Hunter is what he is as a booker, how does the Fiend/Firefly go with HHH running things instead of End Times Vince? even if Bray probably had a certain amount of autonomy, there might be a fair question of "what if most of the show wasn't fucking laborious to watch"

Not sure we ever get the Fiend/Firefly Fun House with HHH. Even if he let the latter slide I don't think he would have let Bray go full monster with the Fiend.

[zendragon]

I watched it after it happened and said to my friend "I don't know what that was but it wasn't wrestling". Like someone dropped an SNL skit into the middle of a wrestling show. probably would have worked better with LU though 

[The Natural]

1 hour ago, Eivion said:

I think that Jekyll/Hyde version of Bray is legit the most interesting he was as a character. I was a fan of the overall concept for sure. I just also think SirSmUgly had it right about it not being something that could work in WWE, especially modern day WWE. Even back then I felt it was off. The Fiend in particular looked amazing, but how could anyone realistically work a match against that?

 

Not sure we ever get the Fiend/Firefly Fun House with HHH. Even if he let the latter slide I don't think he would have let Bray go full monster with the Fiend.

I think the only person who got two great matches out of The Fiend was honestly Daniel Bryan which makes sense as Bray's best singles match ever was vs. Bryan at the 2014 Royal Rumble.

We wouldn't have got Firefly Fun House with Triple H, HHH wouldn't be open up to looking at different parts of his career like John Cena was in the Firefly Fun House and Trips in ring career was coming to an end.

[Eivion]

55 minutes ago, The Natural said:

We wouldn't have got Firefly Fun House with Triple H, HHH wouldn't be open up to looking at different parts of his career like John Cena was in the Firefly Fun House and Trips in ring career was coming to an end.

Well obviously not, but that was something completely out of HHH's wheelhouse. I was talking more about the general Firefly Fun house/Mr. Rogers segments opposed to the match at WM with John Cena. Don't think anyone could have done that particular match with Bray aside form Cena. Most wouldn't allow that level of self-critic, let alone worked that type of cinematic match. 

[The Natural]

41 minutes ago, Eivion said:

Well obviously not, but that was something completely out of HHH's wheelhouse. I was talking more about the general Firefly Fun house/Mr. Rogers segments opposed to the match at WM with John Cena. Don't think anyone could have done that particular match with Bray aside form Cena. Most wouldn't allow that level of self-critic, let alone worked that type of cinematic match. 

John Cena was probably the only one who'd be open to visiting different parts of his career. Maybe Randy Orton with his history with Bray Wyatt?

Edited November 1, 2025 by The Natural

[Niners Fan in CT]

Triple H did allow for that neat backstage massacre with the Wyatt Sicks but they pretty much abandoned all of that after a week. If you are going to do supernatural then you have to fully commit to it.  Everyone on the roster including Roman should have been SHOOK by what happened, it's all anyone should have been talking about.