RIP Hulk Hogan

[RazorbladeKiss87]

10 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

They already did the Nine Lives of Hulk Hogan. But now...

And yeah it'll at least have to be two parts. Or a movie, like Chyna and Vince.

Oh they did a Nine Lives of Hogan, too? I only knew of the Vince thing that Vice did.

[Gorman]

3 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

For the longest time I thought the Andre biographies were all repetitive until the book a few years ago by the Montreal guy whose name I’m forgetting (Eighth Wonder of the World) which was informative

Two guys: Bertrand Hebert and Pat Laprade (it's on my book shelf)

[Curt McGirt]

Here are your ten Nine Lives episodes

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt30443420/episodes/?ref_=tt_eps

[twiztor]

wanted to get my thoughts together before posting. 

Rest in Peace, Hulk Hogan. the wrestler. the lively promo guy. the real life comic book hero. the guy that pulled off a Fu Manchu 'stache. the Make-A-Wish champ. the actor. hell, even the Pastamania shill.
You were never my favorite, but you were the ever-present #1 babyface presence throughout my entire childhood. I rooted for you, except when you faced those that i liked better (Macho Man, Ultimate Warrior, Undertaker). But i would still do the same flexing poses. You were always fun, and brought levity along with your appearances that could put a smile on my face at any time. Your disappearance from mid '90s WWF mirrored my lessening interest in the pro graps. Even your 2002 return to WWE was enjoyable (notably the ridiculous but entertaining Mr. America gimmick). 

Goodbye, Hollywood Hogan. the annoying chickenshit heel. the long-winded promo guy. the leader of the most important faction in professional wrestling.
You were never my favorite, but you were aligned with the very thing that brought me back into the field, notably Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, and Syxx. Your match quality dipped, and it was at the same time that i was subscribing to concepts like "workrate", which led to my enjoyment of your matches dipping even further. But i did, and still do, appreciate how you reinvented yourself. the black beard underneath the aforementioned 'stache was a stroke of genius.

Rot in Piss, Terry Bollea. the real man behind both of these personas. the racist. the politicking conman. the self-serving asshole.
You were never my favorite.

 

peace and love to the family, friends, and fans.

[Loki]

He was an extremely awful person in a business known for being extremely shitty.

But the racist audio leaks (the fact that there were several of them) is inexcusable as well as the fact that he really did nothing to try to prove otherwise. Especially in American culture, where we will tolerate any form of apology and love a good redemption story. He didn't do anything like that and never did the work. 

Not to mention being part of a proxy war with Peter Thiel and Gawker, or the whole Trump business.

[JohnnyJ]

We live in a world where character doesn't seem to mean a heck of a lot. One of the things in life that gives me hope is there are signs that bad character will catch up with you... eventually. It may not be today. It may not be tomorrow. But one day people will see you for who you really are. 

Figure like Vince and Hogan spent years as teflon public figures. Misdeeds which were known (and sometimes joked about) in our circles never left the bubble and never stuck. 

Until they did....

 

 

[odessasteps]

13 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

there's the risk of documentary inception where the documentaries start documenting each other somehow

but yeah, I had read had Hulk was taking part in the Netflix documentary too

Isnt there a doc about Errol Morris? 

[Cobra Commander]

14 minutes ago, Loki said:

Not to mention being part of a proxy war with Peter Thiel and Gawker

all beginning with fucking Bubba the Love Sponge's wife... which to be fair, Bubba outkicked the coverage there

without even seeing a photo of him, I just know by his radio name that Bubba has to look like a doofus

[supremebve]

5 minutes ago, JohnnyJ said:

We live in a world where character doesn't seem to mean a heck of a lot. One of the things in life that gives me hope is there are signs that bad character will catch up with you... eventually. It may not be today. It may not be tomorrow. But one day people will see you for who you really are. 

Figure like Vince and Hogan spent years as teflon public figures. Misdeeds which were known (and sometimes joked about) in our circles never left the bubble and never stuck. 

Until they did....

 

 

There are not a lot of ways to be both a good person and a multi-millionaire.  The type of cut-throat determination it takes to get that much money is not really conducive to good behavior.  

[Nice Guy Eddie]

9 minutes ago, supremebve said:

There are not a lot of ways to be both a good person and a multi-millionaire.  The type of cut-throat determination it takes to get that much money is not really conducive to good behavior.  

From what we know, Tony Khan seems to be an example of a billionaire that is also a good person. After writing this, I hope nothing negative ever comes out about Coach Tony K. 

[supremebve]

30 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

From what we know, Tony Khan seems to be an example of a billionaire that is also a good person. After writing this, I hope nothing negative ever comes out about Coach Tony K. 

For what it's worth, he didn't make the billion dollars, he is the son of the dude who made the billion dollars.  Not really the same thing.  On top of that, nobody with that much money, who got it in a way that I couldn't see, gets the benefit of the doubt from me.  For instance, Dolfan said something about wondering what is coming that will make him not have sympathy for Deion Sanders having bladder cancer.  We know how Deion Sanders made his money and other than being a huge blowhard, he's been pretty free of scandal for most of his very public life.  That's not the type of person I'm talking about.  You are either good enough to play football and baseball at the same time or you're not.  Vince McMahon isn't particularly talented, he was just more cutthroat in a business full of largely immoral people.  Those are the people I'm talking about.  

[odessasteps]

History shows people born on third base are usually not great people. Perhaps he is the exception. Only time will tell. 

[Bustronaut]

Shahid Khan owns Flex-N-Gate, which has factories around the country, and a history of OSHA violations https://publici.ucimc.org/2012/09/flex-n-gate-disaster-just-the-latest-chapter-in-a-toxic-story/

[Elsalvajeloco]

4 hours ago, supremebve said:

For what it's worth, he didn't make the billion dollars, he is the son of the dude who made the billion dollars.  Not really the same thing.  On top of that, nobody with that much money, who got it in a way that I couldn't see, gets the benefit of the doubt from me.  For instance, Dolfan said something about wondering what is coming that will make him not have sympathy for Deion Sanders having bladder cancer.  We know how Deion Sanders made his money and other than being a huge blowhard, he's been pretty free of scandal for most of his very public life.  That's not the type of person I'm talking about.  You are either good enough to play football and baseball at the same time or you're not.  Vince McMahon isn't particularly talented, he was just more cutthroat in a business full of largely immoral people.  Those are the people I'm talking about.  

 

4 hours ago, odessasteps said:

History shows people born on third base are usually not great people. Perhaps he is the exception. Only time will tell. 

I think there are bare minimum two or three philosophical arguments at play here, and I am not sure how all of this ties back to Hulk Hogan. I am going to try not to insert my own homespun wisdom since we already appear to have some, and it's hard to move people off that when it's no longer just their opinion. So I am going to just deal with what I see in front of me. 

1) History shows people NOT born on third base may or may not be great people based on just the perception of wealth in the U.S. and the perception of the lower middle/poverty class in the same country. What do you think wealthy people think about us? I am saying this as someone who grew up not too far (matter of fact, same county) from one of the most historically brutal prisons in the USA, Parchman aka Parchman Farm. A prison built off basically slave labor post American chattel slavery. It's not conjecture that black men who look just like me from where I am from end up in Parchman. I somehow defied those odds, and I didn't end up there. However, I am not naive enough to believe that people don't have a preconceived notion of black people in this country or don't see some stereotypes as being totally true. Moreover, I would think most people "born on third base" would not give that up based on the emptiness of being "great". Most people have very different or broad definitions of what a "great" person is or is not. 

2) I don't see it is much an issue of billionaire/multi-millionaire/the top 1% vs. everyone else as much as public figures we like vs. the ones we hold in total disdain for rational and irrational reasons and the ones we know very little about to make a judgment one way or another. Vince didn't start as a billionaire. Hulk didn't become rich until later in life. Yet, they still ended up in the same category as a Trump or Elon Musk or whomever you wanna throw out there. People didn't know jackshit about Tony Khan until what? He got on someone's radar being a promoter. He still got called Jacksonville Dixie even though (a) he has ran more successful events than TNA/Impact Wrestling in a fraction of the time and (b) been the most successful promoter not named Vince McMahon in a quarter century for whatever that's worth. So only time will tell what? If people will completely shit on him if he passes away suddenly? I am not sure what that is suppose to mean. I cannot say I know everything about billionaires. However, here is what I can say about public figures and celebrities. First off, the ones in pro wrestling specifically because of a variety of factors in today's day and age get overexposed and most of the older ones refuse to go away cause they're use to the spotlight. Hence, the reason why guys like Hogan and Flair and others have done themselves quite a disservice and perhaps tarnished a bit of their legacy on top of serious allegations and other infractions they have otherwise committed. Tony Khan might be Sumner Redstone part 2, live forever, and say some wild shit that cancels out everything he's done. Who the hell knows? Life isn't an elementary school report card. All things aren't weighed equally. That's why Hulk can get passes for doing whatever even before he passed away. People aren't waiting until the die has been cast.

In some people's minds, since Hulk contributed so much, he can be racist or he can support ultra right wing politics or w/e. However, again, IMO Hulk is a terrible example of sort of the philosophical argument or debate people are engaging in. Many people have known of him for 40+ years. However, if you're born in say 1999 or 2000, you don't remember Hulk Hogan as just a wrestler. At best, the earliest memories of him are Hogan Knows Best and perhaps some shit in TNA. That person would be at the youngest TWENTY FIVE YEARS OLD. A grown ass person who probably has kids. So their context is all the stuff that's happened recently. Yeah, they can go back and watch some stuff but it ain't the same. Again, Hogan in 1991 was already on the wrong side of public perception. However, it's based on the perception of what wrestling fans considered at the time whether you believe it's cause of Meltzer or dirtsheets or a certain fan mindset of Hogan being the terrible lying giant roided guy who is suppose to be the quintessential American superhero and action figure come to life and ended up being the direct opposite of that. Not only was he that, but he ruined pro wrestling, didn't really contribute anything, holds everyone down, and couldn't work to save his life. Now if you want to say time will tell on that, I would definitely agree because we (including people who post here as well as fans across the world who don't) had to make true heads or tails of what the truth actually was. Not only for him, but for others obviously as well who got a bad rap or probably deserve some leniency in terms of their true legacy in and out of the squared circle. However, as a public figure, we can honestly say Hogan directly contributed to that image then of himself and in later years. Whether it was printed in the sheets or not. Did that ultimately make him a bad person? No cause it's irrational to hate a human being based on just silly pro wrestling politics or how power is used and implemented in pro wrestling. Problem is, especially for him, that's only one side of the equation. He did other things that has totally made him persona non grata with those who were his fans at one point and those who were not.

It's not like he was bashful about it either. Scandal or not, he chose to remain out in the public to the bitter end. He wanted to be famous even if he meant getting booed in Inglewood in front of an audience that's suppose to be excited to see a legend or getting lambasted on social media by absolute strangers. He wanted that fame. I am also not saying others like a Tony Khan or whatever latest hotshot person who might come around doesn't. Here is what I also know about public figures: everyone doesn't move around the same. That includes people born into wealth and those who weren't, which by the way likely motivates some of the moves they make. There are reasons why people dislike the Jerry Joneses of the world, Jerry Reinsdorf, the Brown family that own the Bengals, James Dolan, and the George Steinbrenner types but love Dr. Jerry Buss, Steve Ballmer, and Mark Cuban. The more out there you are under a microscope or it's perceived that you're a certain type of cutthroat or maneuver in some crafty or ingenious way, the more scrutiny and derision or love and adulation will be applied depending on how people look at or interpret your actions in various ways. Keep mind, some of these same people who barely own a decent pair of socks and underwear now believe they can serve as armchair owners or GMs to their favorite franchise. I mean if you wanna say you know more than the people who own and operate these now multi-billion dollar entities, I mean I guess you have a right to your opinion. Same applies to wrestling and everything else. That said, whether you inherited it or you build it from the ground up, you're not showing up, attend one or two meetings, and then going home for the day. That's not the day-to-day for people on that level actually involved in the operations end. I say this to say I truly don't expect anyone to be what a Vince McMahon is/was because of his personality type and whatever motivated him to be what he ultimately became. It's hard to replicate the same variables that made him. However, that's the trade off. If Tony Khan being geeky or annoying or a little self absorbed means he doesn't have a bombastic personality that proves to be his undoing or at the very least puts him in scandal after scandal after scandal over a 30+ or 40+ year period like it did with Vince (or Hogan), I am totally fine with that. Not knowing him personally or working for him, that's all I can go by. So that goes for TK or anyone else currently in pro wrestling or yet to come. I don't need people to gain or lose imaginary brownie points based on every action they've made or didn't make. You take everything on a case-by-case basis cause everyone has their own journey independent of what we believe to be true of this or that group of people.

[odessasteps]

If we are talking about sports owners, I would think most have the same opinion of the average fan as they do of their players, interchangeable cogs or cattle, whichever metaphor you prefer. And that likely extends historically to wrestlimg terrritory owners and viewing fans as marks. Does that mean necessarily that Verne or The Fullers or Jim Crockett Sr/Jr or Jerry Jarrett were bad people? Anecdotal evidence would tell you Vince or Watts or Fritz or Eddie Graham would end up on the bad people list. Did Eddie Graham do all that charity just for PR, or did he have some good in his heart in addition to enjoying marks getting tortured in the snake pit? 
 

like you said, everyone is a complex individual. And, much like the “separate art from the artist” everyone has their own line. 

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

At the risk of painting with too broad of a brush:

You don't know famous people. You don't know what they're saying away from TV cameras and social media. You don't know how good or bad they are.

Putting someone up on a pedestal is just asking for that person to fall on you at some point.

[clintthecrippler]

I have typed and deleted multiple thoughts over the last week, and just realized today that everything i was typing was going the long way to say a very simple thing.

Larry Bird once said of his rivalry with Magic Johnson that "I like EARVIN. I am less fond of MAGIC."

And thats about where I am setting now. I love HULK. I am less fond of TERRY.

I also couldn't help to keep thinking that there is absolutely an alternate reality where the last mainstream public appearance of HULK could have been similar to Ozzy Osbourne's before his death, had TERRY shown even a minimally honest effort at self-growth, self-awareness, and humility in the decade since those words were revealed to the world. Standing on a stadium stage, hearing 50,000 fans chant his name one more time. 

Instead, it was getting booed by a capacity crowd, many of which in a younger age group that has zero reason for any emotional connection at all to what Hulkamania used to be, while doing a glorified live in-person beer commercial. 

[odessasteps]

Tangentially, his last public appearance could have been at the RNC. 

[supremebve]

1 minute ago, clintthecrippler said:

Larry Bird once said of his rivalry with Magic Johnson that "I like EARVIN. I am less fond of MAGIC."

And thats about where I am setting now. I love HULK. I am less fond of TERRY.

 

The only problem is that Earvin is the real person, Magic is the public persona.  It's perfectly acceptable to have an obnoxious public persona, especially if you are actually a decent person.  The biggest issue with Hulk Hogan is that the public persona is the good guy, while the actual person was a huge piece of shit.  Let's put the racism part to the side.  That's the easy one; even people who agree with him will publicly say it's bad.  I think him going behind Jesse Ventura's back to snitch about the boys trying to start a union is just as unforgivable.  There are very few things as despicable as person who will look you in the eye, act like they're your friend, and then stab you in the back.  Just like the racism, he never showed even an ounce of remorse.  Hulk Hogan was about saying your prayers, taking your vitamins, and visiting a bunch of sick kids in hospitals around the world.  He's a decent dude.  Terry Bollea was the kind of person who only looked out for Terry Bollea.  He'd go out of his way to fuck over any and everyone in his way.  When being questioned about his imaginary 10-in penis in court, he said it himself.  "Hulk Hogan is who he is in public, but Terry Bollea is very private."  Every time we got to see the private man, we didn't like what we saw.    

[bobholly138]

3 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

 

I think there are bare minimum two or three philosophical arguments at play here, and I am not sure how all of this ties back to Hulk Hogan. I am going to try not to insert my own homespun wisdom since we already appear to have some, and it's hard to move people off that when it's no longer just their opinion. So I am going to just deal with what I see in front of me. 

1) History shows people NOT born on third base may or may not be great people based on just the perception of wealth in the U.S. and the perception of the lower middle/poverty class in the same country. What do you think wealthy people think about us? I am saying this as someone who grew up not too far (matter of fact, same county) from one of the most historically brutal prisons in the USA, Parchman aka Parchman Farm. A prison built off basically slave labor post American chattel slavery. It's not conjecture that black men who look just like me from where I am from end up in Parchman. I somehow defied those odds, and I didn't end up there. However, I am not naive enough to believe that people don't have a preconceived notion of black people in this country or don't see some stereotypes as being totally true. Moreover, I would think most people "born on third base" would not give that up based on the emptiness of being "great". Most people have very different or broad definitions of what a "great" person is or is not. 

2) I don't see it is much an issue of billionaire/multi-millionaire/the top 1% vs. everyone else as much as public figures we like vs. the ones we hold in total disdain for rational and irrational reasons and the ones we know very little about to make a judgment one way or another. Vince didn't start as a billionaire. Hulk didn't become rich until later in life. Yet, they still ended up in the same category as a Trump or Elon Musk or whomever you wanna throw out there. People didn't know jackshit about Tony Khan until what? He got on someone's radar being a promoter. He still got called Jacksonville Dixie even though (a) he has ran more successful events than TNA/Impact Wrestling in a fraction of the time and (b) been the most successful promoter not named Vince McMahon in a quarter century for whatever that's worth. So only time will tell what? If people will completely shit on him if he passes away suddenly? I am not sure what that is suppose to mean. I cannot say I know everything about billionaires. However, here is what I can say about public figures and celebrities. First off, the ones in pro wrestling specifically because of a variety of factors in today's day and age get overexposed and most of the older ones refuse to go away cause they're use to the spotlight. Hence, the reason why guys like Hogan and Flair and others have done themselves quite a disservice and perhaps tarnished a bit of their legacy on top of serious allegations and other infractions they have otherwise committed. Tony Khan might be Sumner Redstone part 2, live forever, and say some wild shit that cancels out everything he's done. Who the hell knows? Life isn't an elementary school report card. All things aren't weighed equally. That's why Hulk can get passes for doing whatever even before he passed away. People aren't waiting until the die has been cast.

In some people's minds, since Hulk contributed so much, he can be racist or he can support ultra right wing politics or w/e. However, again, IMO Hulk is a terrible example of sort of the philosophical argument or debate people are engaging in. Many people have known of him for 40+ years. However, if you're born in say 1999 or 2000, you don't remember Hulk Hogan as just a wrestler. At best, the earliest memories of him are Hogan Knows Best and perhaps some shit in TNA. That person would be at the youngest TWENTY FIVE YEARS OLD. A grown ass person who probably has kids. So their context is all the stuff that's happened recently. Yeah, they can go back and watch some stuff but it ain't the same. Again, Hogan in 1991 was already on the wrong side of public perception. However, it's based on the perception of what wrestling fans considered at the time whether you believe it's cause of Meltzer or dirtsheets or a certain fan mindset of Hogan being the terrible lying giant roided guy who is suppose to be the quintessential American superhero and action figure come to life and ended up being the direct opposite of that. Not only was he that, but he ruined pro wrestling, didn't really contribute anything, holds everyone down, and couldn't work to save his life. Now if you want to say time will tell on that, I would definitely agree because we (including people who post here as well as fans across the world who don't) had to make true heads or tails of what the truth actually was. Not only for him, but for others obviously as well who got a bad rap or probably deserve some leniency in terms of their true legacy in and out of the squared circle. However, as a public figure, we can honestly say Hogan directly contributed to that image then of himself and in later years. Whether it was printed in the sheets or not. Did that ultimately make him a bad person? No cause it's irrational to hate a human being based on just silly pro wrestling politics or how power is used and implemented in pro wrestling. Problem is, especially for him, that's only one side of the equation. He did other things that has totally made him persona non grata with those who were his fans at one point and those who were not.

It's not like he was bashful about it either. Scandal or not, he chose to remain out in the public to the bitter end. He wanted to be famous even if he meant getting booed in Inglewood in front of an audience that's suppose to be excited to see a legend or getting lambasted on social media by absolute strangers. He wanted that fame. I am also not saying others like a Tony Khan or whatever latest hotshot person who might come around doesn't. Here is what I also know about public figures: everyone doesn't move around the same. That includes people born into wealth and those who weren't, which by the way likely motivates some of the moves they make. There are reasons why people dislike the Jerry Joneses of the world, Jerry Reinsdorf, the Brown family that own the Bengals, James Dolan, and the George Steinbrenner types but love Dr. Jerry Buss, Steve Ballmer, and Mark Cuban. The more out there you are under a microscope or it's perceived that you're a certain type of cutthroat or maneuver in some crafty or ingenious way, the more scrutiny and derision or love and adulation will be applied depending on how people look at or interpret your actions in various ways. Keep mind, some of these same people who barely own a decent pair of socks and underwear now believe they can serve as armchair owners or GMs to their favorite franchise. I mean if you wanna say you know more than the people who own and operate these now multi-billion dollar entities, I mean I guess you have a right to your opinion. Same applies to wrestling and everything else. That said, whether you inherited it or you build it from the ground up, you're not showing up, attend one or two meetings, and then going home for the day. That's not the day-to-day for people on that level actually involved in the operations end. I say this to say I truly don't expect anyone to be what a Vince McMahon is/was because of his personality type and whatever motivated him to be what he ultimately became. It's hard to replicate the same variables that made him. However, that's the trade off. If Tony Khan being geeky or annoying or a little self absorbed means he doesn't have a bombastic personality that proves to be his undoing or at the very least puts him in scandal after scandal after scandal over a 30+ or 40+ year period like it did with Vince (or Hogan), I am totally fine with that. Not knowing him personally or working for him, that's all I can go by. So that goes for TK or anyone else currently in pro wrestling or yet to come. I don't need people to gain or lose imaginary brownie points based on every action they've made or didn't make. You take everything on a case-by-case basis cause everyone has their own journey independent of what we believe to be true of this or that group of people.

Never expected to see Parchman mentioned on this forum. Gotta a guy I grew up with did time there. Sounded extra hellish compared to most rural south prisons.

[Technico Support]

20 hours ago, supremebve said:

For what it's worth, he didn't make the billion dollars, he is the son of the dude who made the billion dollars.  Not really the same thing.  On top of that, nobody with that much money, who got it in a way that I couldn't see, gets the benefit of the doubt from me.  For instance, Dolfan said something about wondering what is coming that will make him not have sympathy for Deion Sanders having bladder cancer.  We know how Deion Sanders made his money and other than being a huge blowhard, he's been pretty free of scandal for most of his very public life.  That's not the type of person I'm talking about.  You are either good enough to play football and baseball at the same time or you're not.  Vince McMahon isn't particularly talented, he was just more cutthroat in a business full of largely immoral people.  Those are the people I'm talking about.  

You can’t tell me the video for Pumps and a Bump isn’t evidence of something unsavory going on with Deion.  

Edited July 29 by Technico Support

[supremebve]

43 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

You can’t tell me the  video for Pumps and a Bump isn’t evidence of something unsavory going on with Deion.  

You know what, I can't even argue with that.  That video came out when I was 13-ish, my sister is 4 years older than me.  I remember distinctly watching that video and her saying something to the effect of, "Well, now we know why they call him Hammer."  It's probably the single funniest thing she's ever said.  

[Craig H]

Might Tony Khan have some awful shit come out about him at some point? I mean, sure, but if you spend your whole life skeptical of everyone until the very end when you can eulogize them and say they lived a good life then that just strikes me as weird, but everyone is different. Thus far, this guy was a fucking wrestling and stats nerd who was lucky enough to have a rich father back his wrestling promotion dreams. And he made good on that. Not only that, but he has employed people from this very board like Mookie and given more than enough time to people like Phil Schneider. And he promoted two DEAN shows. And regularly puts on benefit shows with the first one being to victims of the Parkland HS shooting. To this point I think the worst you could say about him is that he's in over his head at times when it comes to running a business, but so would a lot of people, and at least he's learning from his mistakes which is more than you could say about a lot of people. I think it's fairly easy to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point. I also don't even know why he's even part of this conversation. It's just really bizarre. How did this go from however you felt about Hogan, good or bad, to talking about this shit? That itself is even weirder. 

Hogan was more than likely always a piece of shit from the moment he got into the business and it went down from there. At no point did that guy ever show any amount of remorse, contrition, thoughtfulness, or empathy. Even up to the very, very end he pulled a "that doesn't work for me, brother" on his own daughter after casting her aside for the last two years. That his last public appearance was getting booed incessantly on the first Netflix Raw is the best goodbye that asshole could have received. THAT is a far cry from any of the other tangential stuff that's being mentioned in this thread.

It's also early in the morning, I'm still mourning my aunt, I'm now mourning a childhood hero in Ryne Sandberg, I'm on my umpteenth day of job hunting, and I'm just venting and doing a little stream of consciousness instead of talking to fucking ChatGPT about what else I can do to improve my resume or my chances of landing a job or what kind of joyful fluffy shit I can dump out onto LinkedIn to make myself a more attractive hire so I guess excuse any of my ranting if I misread the room. I'm just a tad not myself this morning.

[Technico Support]

3 hours ago, supremebve said:

You know what, I can't even argue with that.  That video came out when I was 13-ish, my sister is 4 years older than me.  I remember distinctly watching that video and her saying something to the effect of, "Well, now we know why they call him Hammer."  It's probably the single funniest thing she's ever said.  

Two well-off, grown ass men making a music video being horny on main, before horny on main was a thing, over a foot and shoe fetish, one of them showing off his whole cock and balls after a career of family-friendly pandering, was one of weirdest mainstream entertainment things you will ever experience.

Re: Tony Khan — I will never understand the hatred in some fan circles for him.  He is literally one of us.  He is a fan of wrestling who created a wrestling promotion for people like him.  I guess it’s Stockholm Syndrome from 100+ years of promoters seeing us as nothing more than dumb marks looking to be conned out of our money.  I’d rather have a rich money mark who at least loves wrestling than a cynical sociopath.  

[supremebve]

25 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

Two well-off, grown ass men making a music video being horny on main, before horny on main was a thing, over a foot and shoe fetish, one of them showing off his whole cock and balls after a career of family-friendly pandering, was one of weirdest mainstream entertainment things you will ever experience.

It isn't just about feet and shoes, it's also about ass and how the feet and shoes accentuate said ass.  This is some deep, layered, truly artistic shit.  

Seriously, Hammer wasn't even like Nelly who wrote a catchy nursery rhyme about doing a drive by, he was "You got to pray, just to make it today."  There was very little to make you think that Hammer would drop a song about ass and feet, let alone put out that video.  I don't think they would have let anyone on MTV's The Grind with those shorts on and that show as all about showing as much skin as possible.