Niners Fan in CT Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) You said you were walking away more than a week ago. What's all the build up for? And talk about being ridiculous, the types of fans that AEW doesn't need are the types who think because the booking didn't go exactly the way they wanted it to... it must be trash. Edited March 11 by Niners Fan in CT 3 1
The Natural Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 15 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: In retrospect, I regret bringing up the video game, it clearly makes people feisty. Can we just make Kris Statlander an alien again? That’s something we all can enjoy. (Watch this turn into more wailing and gnashing of teeth.) Boop. 4
HarryArchieGus Posted March 11 Posted March 11 9 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: Re: Mone. That match at the PPV sucked. Getting the shit kicked out of you the whole match and then suddenly getting a fluke win with your two finishers out of nowhere isn't a good match. It. Sucks. If that's supposed to be high level work then call me a blasphemer. In fact, do that, I like it. EDIT: Have to add that apparently Kingston not liking the Death Spiral Riders either is pretty funny. Or at least, clearly not the end of the show, and probably not the cage match either. I think it might be possible that Eddie Kingston had his working boots on. I don't know what his timeline for return is, but Mox has gotta be a target. As for Mone, I totally agree on the finish. I do wonder if they quickly went to it because of the injuries. I did like the match tho. They found their footing and worked very hard building nicely to that closing stretch. 1
Technico Support Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) Is it that hard to not be shitty to strangers on the Internet for having differing opinions about fake fighting? Someone says something you disagree with and offends your rasslin sensibilities. Possible reactions: A) Just ignore their post B) Engage, say "I disagree and here's why" without being a massive dick C) FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER Come one, dudes. It's not worth it to get this riled up and awful to others over people in their underwear pretending to fight. Edited March 11 by Technico Support 6 2
stuntmanc Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Online wrestling discourse has become sad and pathetic overall, this is the one spot where it seems to not happen, let's keep the good juju (I know im also guilty of being a twat here but im trying my best, lol) We need the Best Friends back, this would've never happened on their watch. 6 2
HarryArchieGus Posted March 11 Posted March 11 27 minutes ago, stuntmanc said: Online wrestling discourse has become sad and pathetic overall, this is the one spot where it seems to not happen, let's keep the good juju (I know im also guilty of being a twat here but im trying my best, lol) We need the Best Friends back, this would've never happened on their watch. I commend you for seeing the glass half full. And I would’ve agreed a while back, but we seem to have as many hate watchers as anywhere now. There is a large contingency of ppl who only post humourless shit-slinging. It’s feeling more and more like a dumping ground for everybody’s bad day. 11 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said: …who think because the booking didn't go exactly the way they wanted it to... it must be trash. Excellent food for thought. 1
NoFistsJustFlips Posted March 11 Posted March 11 19 hours ago, Gordi the BJW fan said: No Fists is a ridiculous nincompoop Most accurate post in this board's history 4
NoFistsJustFlips Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) I'll use the double post to add that I legitimately found that funny and all in good fun. Gorid is passionate but he's never been a dick towards anyone that I've seen so that posts popped me lol. All the dissecting of the discourse is more annoying to me than the discourse it's self. This is a discussion board. People police what's being talked about too much. I see a post I'd like to comment on, so I comment on it. It's pretty much that simple. People need to take a breath and not take everything so personally. So thank you Gordi for taking it in stride and lightening the mood. Edited March 11 by NoFistsJustFlips Double post 1 2
The Natural Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 Ugh, just found out AEW Dynasty and AEW Double or Nothing are Sunday shows. Sunday shows suck.
The Natural Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 (edited) NoFistsJustFlips: Dipshit here thought your profile picture was Ahsoka for some reason. Edited March 11 by The Natural 1
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted March 11 Posted March 11 45 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: People need to take a breath and not take everything so personally. HOW DARE YOU SAY THIS ABOUT ME 2
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted March 11 Posted March 11 In other news, I saw the spot where Orange Cassidy force-fed one of MxM Collection a cookie and it made me smile. We need more goofy cookie-based antics. 1
Nice Guy Eddie Posted March 11 Posted March 11 1 hour ago, The Natural said: Ugh, just found out AEW Dynasty and AEW Double or Nothing are Sunday shows. Sunday shows suck. I watched the replay of Revolution, so I can sympathize. I was up until 4:30 am EST and tapped out before Mox/Cope started. I don't know how you do it regularly. 1
The Natural Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: I watched the replay of Revolution, so I can sympathize. I was up until 4:30 am EST and tapped out before Mox/Cope started. I don't know how you do it regularly. Cheers, mate. Honestly, I don't know how I do it either. 1
Nice Guy Eddie Posted March 11 Posted March 11 5 minutes ago, The Natural said: Cheers, mate. Honestly, I don't know how I do it either. Lots of Red Bull and nose candy? I kid...I kid. 2
Casey Posted March 11 Posted March 11 21 hours ago, Gordi the BJW fan said: Are we using the third person now? Fine, then. I'll make my facetious reply in a similar style: No Fists is a ridiculous nincompoop who obviously misread or misunderstood my post and also can't spell "worlds" or "Comoroto" properly. He quoted me literally talking about "Mercedes Mone speaking in that stinted phony WWE cadence" and his comeback was (again 100% literally) "Mercedes is world's better in the ring." Certainly one of us is comparing apples to office chairs there. Hopefully No Fists still considers me "good people." I'm afraid his opinions on Nicky Boy preclude me from returning the favour. (wink emoji) EDIT: My rambling non-facetious response is: 1):Nick Comoroto and Abadon both could have been developed and then pushed into bigger and better things in the pre-All-Ex-WWE version of AEW but lost that opportunity because of the (in my opinion counterproductive) mania for signing up former WWE Universe Superstars and pushing them to the top instead. (Thus pushing more interesting to me personally indie wrestlers down the card, then into the ROH abyss then off the roster. Which I find dispiriting). 2) Mone is obviously fine in the ring and still capable of working at a very high level with the right opponent. However, her character work and in particular her phony WWE style mic work have been just awful in AEW so far and are the opposite of entertaining, in my opinion. Same goes for "Cope" and a few other Superstars AEW has brought in, though Mone is probably the least natural on the mic of all of them. The in-ring work per se is NOT the point, here. 3) Developing and pushing indie wrestlers with potential (like Comoroto and Abadon) would in my opinion be a far better use of AEW's time and resources than bringing in more and more Sports Entertainment Superstars. Development is how you get your Darbies and Oranges and Hayters and Powerhouses etc etc. Again, their current level of in-ring work is not the point here. The potential is. Point 3 is really where I feel "Why the fuck can't anyone in AEW (i.e. Tony Khan) see that (they were *a million times* better off building their own stars than trying to buy them)?" But they/he can't/won't see that. So, I have really lost interest in AEW. tl/dr: Watching pro wrestlers grow and develop is WAY more my thing than seeing if former sportsentertainmentsuperstars still have it in the ring. Therefore I would have VASTLY preferred that, say, Comoroto and Abadon were given a real chance rather than, say, Edge and Banks being brought in and given the time instead. Sadly, Abadon and Nicky Boy being let go is pretty much rock solid proof that the days of super-indie AEW are well and truly over. Nothing says super indie like Stardust being a co-founder of the company and their first World champion being a guy who worked for WWE for 20+ years. If they were indeed what you wanted, Chuck Taylor would've been the first champion. As for your point #3, they still do that. Difference between now and early AEW is that they aren't bringing in green as fuck workers and pushing them. Their hottest storyline lately was Mariah May, a super unknown to anyone who doesn't watch Stardom, feuding with Toni Storm - who carried NXTUK and was then shafted in NXT and WWE's main roster. Mariah is now a bigger star for it. Toni is a completely different character than pre-AEW Toni. Why can't "developing and pushing indie talent" co-exist with "former sportsentertainmentsuperstars"? Nobody knew who the Outrunners were half a year ago, and they just had a great showing against two ex WWE guys. Unless you watched New Japan, Kyle Fletcher was an unknown. Now he's co-maineventing with Ospreay. Takeshita? Brody King? They literally just put Momo Watanabe on a high profile PPV and we're sitting here crowing about AEW bringing in more and more WWE people? If that was the case, Mone would've faced like, I dunno, fuckin' Carmella. 4
Technico Support Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) I can sort of see where @Gordi the BJW fan is coming from somewhat, but the way I look at it is I want to see AEW building younger guys, exclusively. I don't want past their prime "legends" who, more often than not, just feel like they're out-carnying a guy they see as a money mark to get a payday, getting pushed to the top of the card. I don't want 51 year old Adam Copeland in the main event scene. I want him building people. Ditto Christian -- is Nick Wayne really getting ahead in this act? I know the Hurt Syndicate is an over act, but their combined age is 150 and they have more time behind them than ahead of them, and all they're doing is eating guys up. People bitch about Jericho but when was the last time he was at the top of the card? I remember the old story of when Heyman was being considered to run TNA. He told Dixie she could keep one "legend" and that was her dealbreaker. I don't want AEW to become TNA. Oh, so you have a legend or two on your roster? Cool, there's some veteran presence to help the young guys. You have multiple legends on the roster? Congrats, you have an old roster. Edited March 11 by Technico Support 1
NoFistsJustFlips Posted March 11 Posted March 11 In an ideal situation (admittedly not current day AEW), adding the known quantities help you gain an audience and close the gap. What's most fun to watch isn't always what helps your business the most. Pre-Hogan 1994 WCW was all kinds of awesome. But it was not making them money. So you have to balance the expectations of what you would enjoy most vs knowing they'll have to make decisions that don't entertain you as much for business purposes. Again its not a great analogy for the current era of AEW. Because even with all the people with lots of TV experience, they are in the most down period of the whole company. But in theory you have to understand the swings they're taking here. Even if it's not working. 2
AxB Posted March 11 Posted March 11 40 minutes ago, Casey said: Mariah May, a super unknown to anyone who doesn't watch Stardom, I knew who Mariah May was before she went to Stardom.
southofheavy Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) They're developing Nick Wayne and Billie Starkz, both of whom are far better and have far more potential than both Abadon and Comoroto. Also, Swerve, Daniel Garcia, Skye Blue, Stat and Willow are right there. Never, ever saw it with Comoroto. Abadon is cool, and this is not putting them on their level, but they would be best served in a Brody/Abdullah/Funk role. They should be bouncing around to different promotions, scaring the shit out of everyone, putting over a babyface and then leaving. I don't know that it's really feasible to do that anymore. If anything, AEW's talent issues come down to indie signings/homegrown talent either getting injured or not working enough outside of AEW. If talent is going to develop, they need to be available and working. The other is booking. Cope has no business being at the top of the card. Swerve never should have lost that belt. The Death Riders angle was booked into a corner from the beginning. If you're gonna put the belt on Darby, tell him he can either climb litter-covered Everest (which any ol' rich person can do) or be in AEW. Tell Chris Jericho no and relegate him to a manager role. Tell Danielson a long while ago that he's gonna be the goddamn champ and that's the long and short of it. Even though there's too many titles in AEW already, the women's division really needs a tag title and more women's matches on TV. Also, Tony could stand to go with the hot hand when he's got it instead of insisting on telling his story. (See: Takeshita) There's the issue where Tony gets bored with his current toys and gets new ones to play with. Edited March 11 by southofheavy 1
Technico Support Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) 20 minutes ago, southofheavy said: Swerve never should have lost that belt. Exactly. Danielson is awesome but no way did he need a gold watch reign with less than four months left on his full time career. That was absolutely TK making a markish decision. Edited March 11 by Technico Support 1
Zimbra Posted March 11 Posted March 11 My pet theory is that TK thought Danielson would be able to go longer than he did, but his neck was too jacked up so they had to pull the trigger on the Death Riders angle early and have pretty much been vamping since then. 2
zendragon Posted March 11 Posted March 11 57 minutes ago, southofheavy said: Abadon is cool, and this is not putting them on their level, but they would be best served in a Brody/Abdullah/Funk role. They should be bouncing around to different promotions, scaring the shit out of everyone, putting over a babyface and then leaving. I don't know that it's really feasible to do that anymore. I really agree with this, and I think more movement in general is good for the industry. I kinda feel that is Abby and Como arn't getting used let them go somewhere else and get a change of scenery 1
Curt McGirt Posted March 11 Posted March 11 2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: Lots of Red Bull and nose candy? I kid...I kid. They call it "charlie" over there. Phrasing! I hope the cookie Orange fed had M&Ms. As far as Hurt Syndicate goes, I can forgive them because they're really cool, and if you look on the bright side setting up a pair of destructors like that is gonna make the team that finally fells them look really really good. Besides the tag division has honestly been kinda stale for awhile. You can stick Bald and Gun in a feud with somebody in the middle of the card on Collision or pitch 'em to ROH and I'd be fine with that; they've been on top FAR too long.
zendragon Posted March 11 Posted March 11 1 hour ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: In an ideal situation (admittedly not current day AEW), adding the known quantities help you gain an audience and close the gap. What's most fun to watch isn't always what helps your business the most. Pre-Hogan 1994 WCW was all kinds of awesome. But it was not making them money. So you have to balance the expectations of what you would enjoy most vs knowing they'll have to make decisions that don't entertain you as much for business purposes. Again its not a great analogy for the current era of AEW. Because even with all the people with lots of TV experience, they are in the most down period of the whole company. But in theory you have to understand the swings they're taking here. Even if it's not working. I would like one hour wrestling show featuring Gunther wrestling ZSJ everyweek for about 15 minutes. The rest of the program would old Bret Hart matches. this is why I'm not allowed to have non-safety sissors 5
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