Doragon Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Anyways, Momo hasn't had a singles title since 2019. Nearly 6 years. She's only 24 years old. To some western fans she's considered the best.
Zimbra Posted March 9 Posted March 9 I'm gonna be honest I was really confused when Momo Watanabe showed up on Dynamite because I have apparently been conflating her with Tomo Watanabe for years. 3
HarryArchieGus Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) 3 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: Frankly when I turned it on I couldn't see Momo's face from where she was working and thought it was Emi from her body type, then she looked up and "yeah that's not Emi. Who is that?" I know we're all pretty joshi savvy on here (more or less) but yeah, I had no idea. I don't watch Stardom or Ice Ribbon etc. either. Gimme a video package is all I'm asking I guess. (It doesn't help that I mute the TV or change the channel when Mone is talking...) EDIT: Harley is not gonna get anywhere without the reps, and she's already on the main roster, so its too late to put her in ROH. I guess just let her work on it. Something that would be cool and funny would be her saying "I didn't like my finisher, so I'm changing it" and then do that every match haha. I'd like to think a Japanese tour with their partner Stardom could be hugely beneficial. A couple of those, and then we'd have a far better argument for golden belts. They have been doing stuff with Momo since the Grand Salami in Australia, but I do agree that packaging some highlights before sending her out to the ring on Collision would've benefitted the viewing audience. AEW does feel like it's starting to better understand that selling/selling again is necessary with the never-ending content load that is weekly TV, but there's still a lot of room to grow. Edited March 9 by HarryArchieGus
twiztor Posted March 9 Posted March 9 4 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: I know we're all pretty joshi savvy on here (more or less) but yeah, I had no idea. I don't watch Stardom or Ice Ribbon etc. either. Gimme a video package is all I'm asking I guess. i am zero percent savvy on joshi. Maybe 1% since i only know the ladies that came over in New Generation WWF and Nitro-era WCW. 33 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said: the Grand Salami in Australia is this Mark Davis' new gimmick? 1
Curt McGirt Posted March 10 Posted March 10 You know what gimmick of his that would be. Not exactly the same wrestling. 1
Casey Posted March 10 Posted March 10 I'm as disillusioned with AEW as Gordi is, but for different reasons, but holy shit I would take a thousand clones of Mercedes over Abadon. That feels like saying signing Toni Storm, or Swerve, or any other ex-WWE person, isn't worth it, and AEW should focus on wrestlers that are "different" and don't have the "fed stink" on them or something. It's worth it, most of the time. Let's take a breath and remember that Mercedes hasn't even been signed a year, and that's about how long it usually takes for the ex WWE people to find their footing and get a character that's worth a fuck. Ricochet being the exception as of now, he came in as what he was there, and quickly switched it up. Probably a few other exceptions that I can't think of. And Comoroto? Are we really mourning the loss of a perennial Dark guy? Really? 3
The Green Meanie Posted March 10 Posted March 10 5 hours ago, Casey said: And Comoroto? Are we really mourning the loss of a perennial Dark guy? Really? Someone that had more personality then some of the stiffs that get pushed? Yes, really. 4 1
AxB Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Lumping Swerve in with the “WWE Stink” guys is foolish. He’s an indie guy who had a great Lucha Underground run, was under-utilised in NXT and then had a WWE main roster run that consisted of like one promo and possibly a squash match. 1 1
Sex Machine Gun Posted March 10 Posted March 10 I watch WWE main roster stuff but when Swerve appeared at Revolution 2022 I had NO idea who he was. Good thing I was there live and could ask people around me why this was a big deal.
NoFistsJustFlips Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/7/2025 at 12:51 PM, Gordi the BJW fan said: Man. Fuck All Ex WWE era AEW. Nicky Boy is a million times more entertaining in the ring than fucking Edge and Abandon is INFINITELY more entertaining than Mercedes Mone speaking in that stinted phony WWE cadence. How the fuck can nobody at AEW see that? This shit just ain't for me at all any more. This is legitimately an insane post lol. Partyboy / Joey Ryan knock off Comorado was awful and didn't even belong on ROH. Abadon has value and a unique look, but Mercedes is world's better in the ring. It's not even comparing apples to oranges it's comparing apples to office chairs.
Technico Support Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) We'd have a lot less confrontation around here if we all understood that "this is my opinion" or "for my enjoyment" was always implied, and that "this is better than that" is never meant to be taken as a statement of objective fact. Except for CM Punk. That guy sucks. Edited March 10 by Technico Support 3 1 1
NoFistsJustFlips Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Gordi is a great poster and there's a lot of his opinions I agree with. And even when I don't agree I still like seeing him posting. He seems like good people. He didn't post that as an opinion. He straight up said "how the fuck can nobody at AEW see that?" That's not him expressing an opinion abiut what he enjoys. That's a discussion point where he's saying those in AEW should see it his way too.
Gordi the BJW fan Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) Are we using the third person now? Fine, then. I'll make my facetious reply in a similar style: No Fists is a ridiculous nincompoop who obviously misread or misunderstood my post and also can't spell "worlds" or "Comoroto" properly. He quoted me literally talking about "Mercedes Mone speaking in that stinted phony WWE cadence" and his comeback was (again 100% literally) "Mercedes is world's better in the ring." Certainly one of us is comparing apples to office chairs there. Hopefully No Fists still considers me "good people." I'm afraid his opinions on Nicky Boy preclude me from returning the favour. (wink emoji) EDIT: My rambling non-facetious response is: 1):Nick Comoroto and Abadon both could have been developed and then pushed into bigger and better things in the pre-All-Ex-WWE version of AEW but lost that opportunity because of the (in my opinion counterproductive) mania for signing up former WWE Universe Superstars and pushing them to the top instead. (Thus pushing more interesting to me personally indie wrestlers down the card, then into the ROH abyss then off the roster. Which I find dispiriting). 2) Mone is obviously fine in the ring and still capable of working at a very high level with the right opponent. However, her character work and in particular her phony WWE style mic work have been just awful in AEW so far and are the opposite of entertaining, in my opinion. Same goes for "Cope" and a few other Superstars AEW has brought in, though Mone is probably the least natural on the mic of all of them. The in-ring work per se is NOT the point, here. 3) Developing and pushing indie wrestlers with potential (like Comoroto and Abadon) would in my opinion be a far better use of AEW's time and resources than bringing in more and more Sports Entertainment Superstars. Development is how you get your Darbies and Oranges and Hayters and Powerhouses etc etc. Again, their current level of in-ring work is not the point here. The potential is. Point 3 is really where I feel "Why the fuck can't anyone in AEW (i.e. Tony Khan) see that (they were *a million times* better off building their own stars than trying to buy them)?" But they/he can't/won't see that. So, I have really lost interest in AEW. tl/dr: Watching pro wrestlers grow and develop is WAY more my thing than seeing if former sportsentertainmentsuperstars still have it in the ring. Therefore I would have VASTLY preferred that, say, Comoroto and Abadon were given a real chance rather than, say, Edge and Banks being brought in and given the time instead. Sadly, Abadon and Nicky Boy being let go is pretty much rock solid proof that the days of super-indie AEW are well and truly over. Edited March 10 by Gordi the BJW fan 1 2
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) 6 hours ago, Technico Support said: We'd have a lot less confrontation around here if we all understood that "this is my opinion" or "for my enjoyment" was always implied, and that "this is better than that" is never meant to be taken as a statement of objective fact. Not to attack anyone here but when I read posts from @Matt D and he's saying things like a match being technically perfect and laid out to perfection but it still wasn't for him or that he gets Ospreay but doesn't get Omega (when both share several in-ring similarities) I'm not sure there's even a rhyme or reason for what people are liking or disliking anymore. It used to be "this isn't my taste" but now we've come to a point where even if something is your taste, you still don't like it... I don't know lol. I'm not attacking you or Matt or anyone, it's just difficult to keep up with some opinions when they are all over the place. Edited March 10 by Niners Fan in CT 3
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 11 Posted March 11 4 hours ago, Gordi the BJW fan said: 2) Mone is obviously fine in the ring and still capable of working at a very high level with the right opponent. See, this is where you messed up with your post because you still tried to downplay her. She's having 4+ star matches with everyone on the AEW roster (besides Dr. Britt) and everyone she wrestles elsewhere like in NJPW Strong. She had 4 of the top 10 women's matches in the world last year, ranked by Sports Illustrated and they were with three different opponents. She had a match with Hazuki that Meltzer called the greatest women's match ever on U.S. soil. She carried Harley Cameron to her best match ever. She's doing it all. She's also helping to train the inexperienced women like Harley. She's helping Leilia Grey. She's taking Indi Hartwell under her wing. She's doing everything you could ask of a top talent. 1
Gordi the BJW fan Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) In a deeply shitty, very selfish way I would honestly feel both gratified and justified if Mad King gave up on AEW at the same time and for the same reasons as me. I really hope this is a work, though. Edited March 11 by Gordi the BJW fan 1
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted March 11 Posted March 11 This could have all been avoided if the story mode didn't stink on that dang video game. 1 7
Curt McGirt Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) Re: Mone. That match at the PPV sucked. Getting the shit kicked out of you the whole match and then suddenly getting a fluke win with your two finishers out of nowhere isn't a good match. It. Sucks. If that's supposed to be high level work then call me a blasphemer. In fact, do that, I like it. EDIT: Have to add that apparently Kingston not liking the Death Spiral Riders either is pretty funny. Or at least, clearly not the end of the show, and probably not the cage match either. Edited March 11 by Curt McGirt 1
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Your gimmick is almost as funny as the guy who is the butthurt AEW superfan tapping out because one of Cody's flunkies got released.
Curt McGirt Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) I don't have a gimmick, fucker. Don't talk to me and keep your opinion about me to yourself. Edited March 11 by Curt McGirt 5
The Natural Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 On 3/9/2025 at 8:17 PM, HarryArchieGus said: the Grand Salami in Australia, but I do agree that packaging some highlights before sending her out to the ring on Collision would've benefitted the viewing audience. AEW does feel like it's starting to better understand that selling/selling again is necessary with the never-ending content load that is weekly TV, but there's still a lot of room to grow. On 3/9/2025 at 8:55 PM, twiztor said: is this Mark Davis' new gimmick? https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.9Td4J8Por2v8E7X_xmUSQQAAAA?dpr=1.5&pid=ImgDetMain Paddy Considine in Hot Fuzz doppleganger. 1
The Natural Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 43 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Your gimmick is almost as funny as the guy who is the butthurt AEW superfan tapping out because one of Cody's flunkies got released. No need for that. 3 3
Gordi the BJW fan Posted March 11 Posted March 11 I'm honestly trying to walk away but the "discussion" here is out of control This absolute nimrod calling out Curt is like current day Max Caster calling out prime Lou Thesz. I'm dying here. 1 2
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted March 11 Posted March 11 In retrospect, I regret bringing up the video game, it clearly makes people feisty. Can we just make Kris Statlander an alien again? That’s something we all can enjoy. (Watch this turn into more wailing and gnashing of teeth.) 1 7
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