Godfrey Posted March 8 Posted March 8 27 minutes ago, just drew said: Listen, I'm always down for Mercedes slander, but... Seriously. I get it, it's a bummer AEW isn't catering to the most niche tastes anymore but let's not go nuts 1 1
colonial Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) Sorry to hear about Abadon. Watching them grow as a wrestler these last five years was a joy to see, and their squash matches were always must watch (though, admittedly, there were times said matches were extremely predictable). Honestly, AEW did not know what to do with Abby outside of Halloween-themed shows. Having a gimmick where it's impossible to treat them as a jobber yet was too green to be accepted as a main eventer was also problematic. But to their credit, they worked hard to be a better in-ring performer and not be exclusively focused on the intangibles. Perhaps Abadon can find a niche on the indies or finally get a chance to do a Japan tour (which could help in the long run). They're also quite talented with cosplay, makeup, etc., so possibly making it as a content creator of some sort is the way to go. Curious if Cody might encourage WWE to give Abby an NXT tryout given he apparently made the call to sign them to AEW following the first Shida match and the Anna Jay squash. Comoroto would also benefit from a Japan tour of some sort. If he only won that bullrope match he had against Dustin at the end of the Daily's Place era during the Cody-QT feud -- that may have helped him get out of the "super enhancement guy" role he got stuck in. Edited March 9 by colonial 1
AxB Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Comorotto leaving AEW and Hammerstone leaving TNA at the same time... tag them up and send them to NJPW, they can be the new Roid Warriors over there. 7 1
Curt McGirt Posted March 9 Posted March 9 6 hours ago, tbarrie said: How old are you, Curt? Because I'm 51 and I kind of feel like an aged, wizened mountain man who... etc. 41. If I totalled up the injuries and wear I've done to myself these years you would believe I would be... dead. I should be dead.
TheVileOne Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Mercedes Mone wrestling Momo Watanabe in a nothing match no one cares about this weekend on PPV is a good reason why having her beat Harley Cameron was a gigantic mistake. Had Harley won, you could've easily extended the feud into Revolution and had a way to quickly give back the title to Mone and/or create a new star for the roster. Even if Mone were to win it back this weekend you just created another contender and added some much-needed intrigue to the PPV and roster. No offense to Momo Watanabe fans, but this match kind of came out of nowhere especially when there are a lot of women already on the roster who aren't getting booked or appearing on TV.
twiztor Posted March 9 Posted March 9 4 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: Mercedes Mone wrestling Momo Watanabe in a nothing match no one cares about this weekend on PPV is a good reason why having her beat Harley Cameron was a gigantic mistake. Had Harley won, you could've easily extended the feud into Revolution and had a way to quickly give back the title to Mone and/or create a new star for the roster. Even if Mone were to win it back this weekend you just created another contender and added some much-needed intrigue to the PPV and roster. No offense to Momo Watanabe fans, but this match kind of came out of nowhere especially when there are a lot of women already on the roster who aren't getting booked or appearing on TV. yeah, Momo is a non-entity in AEW. the match at Revolution has zero intrigue. 4
Curt McGirt Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Harley's finisher was pretty ugh, sad to say. I had no idea who Momo was. None. Does that say anything? The real question to me is do they put the hottest feud in the fed before or behind the title match to avoid boo-boo face.
Doragon Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Momo is from Stardom. And of the H.A.T.E. unit, but she isn't important as fellow member Saya Kamitani. They usually feed Momo to more important champs. I'm just not sure about if she will win or lose here.
Kevin Wilson Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Harley isn't the one that should beat Mone. I like her story and her sudden rise in popularity but in-ring she isn't ready, she has well under 100 matches in her career and it shows. Just her getting a title match was a big deal, if she can maintain her popularity and improve in the ring she can get a shot at a title down the line. I'm all for going with the hot hand but the hot hand for a singles title should be a good to great wrestler and I don't think she is there yet. Mone clearly enjoys wrestling Japanese wrestlers and AEW likes to utilize their partnership with Bushiroad, Mone had a great match with Momo last summer so I fully expect this match to be pretty good as well. The Momo match is just a time killer until I assume Hayter gets her visa issues fixed. I don't know if Mone will hold it until Texas or will lose it before then, I am curious how they book Mone once she actually loses the title since that is her entire gimmick. But I also like Mone more then most on this message board I've realized, I've had no issues with her title run as its clearly the secondary title. If she wants to pop in once or twice a month and have an entertaining match while Toni/Mariah do the heavy lifting week by week that's ok with me. But I'd like to see Hayter, Kris, or Willow take it from her in the next six months just to get some fresh storylines cooking. 1
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 9 Posted March 9 I've seen it all now. Abandon has a cool look sometimes but then the bell rings and she sucks. 2
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 9 Posted March 9 2 hours ago, TheVileOne said: No offense to Momo Watanabe fans, but this match kind of came out of nowhere especially when there are a lot of women already on the roster who aren't getting booked or appearing on TV. It didn't "come out of nowhere" at all. They had a great match back in August and then Momo won a title opportunity at Wrestle Dynasty where she cheated Athena. This is likely leading to Mercedes facing Billie and then Athena. Also, Harley has still been a focal point of the shows. 1
The Natural Posted March 9 Author Posted March 9 13 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I've seen it all now. Abandon has a cool look sometimes but then the bell rings and she sucks. Abadon goes by they/them. 2
The Natural Posted March 9 Author Posted March 9 On 3/7/2025 at 11:41 PM, stuntmanc said: i know it's been discussed, but the fall of Hayer from being one of the most over acts in AEW to now is something. I know the injury took her out for a long time, but when she came back, it seemed like she was an afterthought. Even her return was on the preshow of All In. I was in the building when she won the AEW Womens Title and it was one of, if not the loudest pop of the night. I want her back and featured prominently in the worst way. She was/is too damn good. Her v Bayne would definitely be something. On 3/8/2025 at 12:05 AM, Technico Support said: I think presentation is a big part of it. She came back looking like Daphne from Scooby Doo and dressing like Lorraine Warren. I think a lot of people have trouble buying someone looking like an extra from Almost Famous as a tough ass kicker. This.
TheVileOne Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) 10 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said: It didn't "come out of nowhere" at all. They had a great match back in August and then Momo won a title opportunity at Wrestle Dynasty where she cheated Athena. This is likely leading to Mercedes facing Billie and then Athena. Also, Harley has still been a focal point of the shows. Not a good way to book a major title match on your major PPV event. Quote Harley isn't the one that should beat Mone. I like her story and her sudden rise in popularity but in-ring she isn't ready, she has well under 100 matches in her career and it shows. Just her getting a title match was a big deal, if she can maintain her popularity and improve in the ring she can get a shot at a title down the line. I'm all for going with the hot hand but the hot hand for a singles title should be a good to great wrestler and I don't think she is there yet. Mone clearly enjoys wrestling Japanese wrestlers and AEW likes to utilize their partnership with Bushiroad, Mone had a great match with Momo last summer so I fully expect this match to be pretty good as well. The Momo match is just a time killer until I assume Hayter gets her visa issues fixed. I don't know if Mone will hold it until Texas or will lose it before then, I am curious how they book Mone once she actually loses the title since that is her entire gimmick. But I also like Mone more then most on this message board I've realized, I've had no issues with her title run as its clearly the secondary title. If she wants to pop in once or twice a month and have an entertaining match while Toni/Mariah do the heavy lifting week by week that's ok with me. But I'd like to see Hayter, Kris, or Willow take it from her in the next six months just to get some fresh storylines cooking. A lack of experience you say? That didn't keep AEW and Tony Khan from booking Jade Cargill to the moon and making her undefeated for years. She became the first TBS champion and held that title for over 500 days. She was highly protected and pushed like Goldberg throughout that run despite her lack of experience in every area. Her AEW debut was the first time she was ever on a live microphone. It matters not. Harley Cameron is money. Give her the rocket ship too. Edited March 9 by TheVileOne
Gordi the BJW fan Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Matt and Dana's Osaka travelogue. That 10 yen coin cheese bread is new to me. I'll have to try that out.
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) Is it not easier to book a dominant champion? Jade wasn't asked to do much because she's so physically imposing and bigger than most of her competition. Harley's offense doesn't look nearly as believable as Jade's because she's not built like that so the inexperience is harder to hide. I think we're being trolled. Also, the Momo title match is probably the 6th or 7th most important match on this card. The Statlander series was seen as a much bigger deal. Edited March 9 by Niners Fan in CT
mystman Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) I originally wrote something snarky about you needing to watch Stardom, and then I realized nobody had this problem with knowing who Mina was. It really means TK needs to introduce outsiders better and more often if he's going to include them in his show. Edited March 9 by mystman Snarkiness 3
Kevin Wilson Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Is it not easier to book a dominant champion? Jade wasn't asked to do much because she's so physically imposing and bigger than most of her competition. Harley's offense doesn't look nearly as believable as Jade's because she's not built like that so the inexperience is harder to hide. I think we're being trolled. Also, the Momo title match is probably the 6th or 7th most important match on this card. The Statlander series was seen as a much bigger deal. He isn't the most serious person. Comparing Harley to Jade is like comparing Santino Marella to Goldberg in regards to presentation. The Mone title match isn't a premiere match but not every PPV needs eight premiere matches, I'd argue the card probably already has one or two too many as it is. Viewers need time to breath, not everything has to be heavy. Mone/Momo will be a damn good match that will keep the show going even if it ultimately won't make a major long term impression. Its funny, in a different thread (or maybe this one) some fans were complaining that AEW didn't have more "you have belt, I want belt, we wrestle" simple storylines, then they have one and others complain. Can't cater to all fans, just have to do the best you can to shoot down the middle.
Mike Campbell Posted March 9 Posted March 9 11 hours ago, TheVileOne said: Mercedes Mone wrestling Momo Watanabe in a nothing match no one cares about this weekend on PPV is a good reason why having her beat Harley Cameron was a gigantic mistake. Had Harley won, you could've easily extended the feud into Revolution and had a way to quickly give back the title to Mone and/or create a new star for the roster. Even if Mone were to win it back this weekend you just created another contender and added some much-needed intrigue to the PPV and roster. Did you see the match Harley had on Collision last night? I was one of the people clamoring for her to get her moment on that show. But, as much as she's entertaining and the fans love her, last night was proof that she's nowhere near ready to be able translate that in the ring. 1 1
SovietShooter Posted March 9 Posted March 9 I don't think Harley's match last night was bad. Her finisher looks like shit 2
colonial Posted March 9 Posted March 9 The finisher looked like someone wanted to do a "fancier" version of Luther Reigns' Reign of Terror, but neither Harley nor the opponent (*) seemed to have a clue how to present it. Luther Reigns - Reign of Terror Teach Harley a proper Reign of Terror and you may have something in a finish move for her. (*) -- Said opponent, according to Cagematch, wrestled briefly for WOW in 2013 as "Tatevik the Gamer," then disappeared for 11 years before popping up as an OVW regular.
Ramo2653 Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, mystman said: I originally wrote something snarky about you needing to watch Stardom, and then I realized nobody had this problem with knowing who Mina was. It really means TK needs to introduce outsiders better and more often if he's going to include them in his show. To be fair to Mina, she stands out. I'm pretty sure the first time I saw her was a group pic that DZ posted and I asked who was that compared to everyone else in the photo. Even when Mone pie faced Momo after her match in Australia, I knew it must have been a wrestler but it wasn't someone that stood out IMO. And Momo's interactions since have been a segment where Starks did the heavy lifting and she came in with a bat at the end and a few pre-tape segments before that warm up match last night. Even in the AEW hierarchy, she's not viewed as someone important. It's just a match for having a match. And it'll probably be a pretty good match!
HarryArchieGus Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Re: TBS Title Match Very much looking forward to the 'nothing' Momo-Mercedes rematch. I didn't love Momo-Deeb throughout, but I liked the one-two punch of her winning and then getting the best of Mone in the post-match. Also, that was a fucking awesome Meteora from Momo. Re: Feel the Wrath I love Harley Cameron (QTV included), but I vote 'not ready' and 'there's more money in her when she is ready'. Not repeating the mistake of weak TBS titls matches on PPV ala most of Jade Cargill's run is a choice I fully back. I don't quite get having seen that and wanting it again. Re: Jamie Hayter First, I appreciate Hayter's unique apparel choices. Second, is it possible that the company knew their would be some visa paperwork to sort out in the near future? Is it possible they wanted get that out of the way before strapping the rocket? Maybe not, but I sense there's been some hesitancy for an actual valid reason. It seems clear she's still very valuable to the company. Despite this not being her Very Best run, she's been really solid both on the mic (more promo time than I can recall prior) and in ring. Her bouts with Julia, Aminata, and Willow were all very good. I think the patient Hayter viewer/fan may be rewarded in the not so distant future. Re: Abadon Surprised by this release. Abby looks to have improved a great deal from the ROH stuff I've seen lately. That said, I really like the decision to run some of these contracts out. Anybody on that lower card/ROH roster, especially those that have been around for years, could probably benefit from getting out on their own and tweaking their individual acts. Further, Comoroto's clumsy hoss act ran it's course at least two years ago. Besides, I like thinking about what Big Nick might look like in a Japanese ring. I wouldn't be against refreshing much of that entire ROH/undercard roster. Developmental spots oughtta be refreshed more regularly. Free up some room for some new potential TV stars. 2
Curt McGirt Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) Frankly when I turned it on I couldn't see Momo's face from where she was working and thought it was Emi from her body type, then she looked up and "yeah that's not Emi. Who is that?" I know we're all pretty joshi savvy on here (more or less) but yeah, I had no idea. I don't watch Stardom or Ice Ribbon etc. either. Gimme a video package is all I'm asking I guess. (It doesn't help that I mute the TV or change the channel when Mone is talking...) EDIT: Harley is not gonna get anywhere without the reps, and she's already on the main roster, so its too late to put her in ROH. I guess just let her work on it. Something that would be cool and funny would be her saying "I didn't like my finisher, so I'm changing it" and then do that every match haha. Edited March 9 by Curt McGirt
TheVileOne Posted March 9 Posted March 9 2 hours ago, Kevin Wilson said: He isn't the most serious person. Comparing Harley to Jade is like comparing Santino Marella to Goldberg in regards to presentation. The Mone title match isn't a premiere match but not every PPV needs eight premiere matches, I'd argue the card probably already has one or two too many as it is. Viewers need time to breath, not everything has to be heavy. Mone/Momo will be a damn good match that will keep the show going even if it ultimately won't make a major long term impression. Its funny, in a different thread (or maybe this one) some fans were complaining that AEW didn't have more "you have belt, I want belt, we wrestle" simple storylines, then they have one and others complain. Can't cater to all fans, just have to do the best you can to shoot down the middle. So if you're going to make that comparison: Santino Marella who beat freaking Umaga in his debut match and won the Intercontinental Title. Santino Marella who was sustainably pushed throughout his WWE career and became a two-time IC champion, United States Champion, and Tag Team Champion. Harley Cameron should've beaten Mercedes Mone, plain and simple. You could've created a new star and spiced up Revolution simultaneously. 1 1
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