AEW TV - 2/19 - 2/25/2025 - I'm Gonna Outrun To You

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11 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

Maffew posted the chair... whatever on Facebook and GOD it is embarassingly long and unpleasant. 

Yeah I have no clue who actually screwed up here, but it is bad enough that someone needed to be screamed at and if someone did do it intentionally it's a disciplinary/borderline fireable offense.

[Shartnado]

2 hours ago, username said:

Yeah I have no clue who actually screwed up here, but it is bad enough that someone needed to be screamed at and if someone did do it intentionally it's a disciplinary/borderline fireable offense.

Not blaming anyone but this is eeriely similar to that time when Thunder Rosa made Ivelesse no sell Rosa's armbar to get her fired. Coincidence? Just askig questions.

[The Natural]

Found this today from a week ago:

Appearing on "Busted Open Radio" Wednesday to discuss all of Saturday's happenings, Rosa not so shockingly revealed that she didn't love her interactions wth Bayne, especially Bayne's attitude towards Rosa backstage.

"I'm not a very big fan of her, because...you come into a new locker room, and you're trying to be accommodating, you're trying to be nice, you're trying to make them feel comfortable," Rosa said. "But when somebody feels like they're bigger, better, and maybe they look down upon you...that really bothered me. It really rubbed me the wrong way. And she's in my home state with my peeps, and everything, and she just comes and acts that way. I'm not cool with that. I'm not cool with people that have bad attitudes."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/general/aew-s-thunder-rosa-explains-why-she-s-not-a-fan-of-megan-bayne/ar-AA1yVyT9?ocid=BingNewsSerp

[The Natural]

2 hours ago, username said:

Yeah I have no clue who actually screwed up here, but it is bad enough that someone needed to be screamed at and if someone did do it intentionally it's a disciplinary/borderline fireable offense.

It's really bad:

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/85IJptxxNHY

[TheVileOne]

1 hour ago, The Natural said:

Found this today from a week ago:

Appearing on "Busted Open Radio" Wednesday to discuss all of Saturday's happenings, Rosa not so shockingly revealed that she didn't love her interactions wth Bayne, especially Bayne's attitude towards Rosa backstage.

"I'm not a very big fan of her, because...you come into a new locker room, and you're trying to be accommodating, you're trying to be nice, you're trying to make them feel comfortable," Rosa said. "But when somebody feels like they're bigger, better, and maybe they look down upon you...that really bothered me. It really rubbed me the wrong way. And she's in my home state with my peeps, and everything, and she just comes and acts that way. I'm not cool with that. I'm not cool with people that have bad attitudes."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/general/aew-s-thunder-rosa-explains-why-she-s-not-a-fan-of-megan-bayne/ar-AA1yVyT9?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Did Thunder Rosa work herself into a shoot?

[Casey]

When are we going to start applying the Punk “if you run into assholes all day, maybe you’re an asshole” method? Britt, Ivelisse, Marina Shafir, Toni Storm, now Megan Bayne - all bad experiences with Rosa, or have said things about her that paints her as difficult to work with.

I mean, folks….

[Shartnado]

3 minutes ago, Casey said:

When are we going to start applying the Punk “if you run into assholes all day, maybe you’re an asshole” method?

Right about ... now-ish?

[The Natural]

14 minutes ago, Casey said:

When are we going to start applying the Punk “if you run into assholes all day, maybe you’re an asshole” method? Britt, Ivelisse, Marina Shafir, Toni Storm, now Megan Bayne - all bad experiences with Rosa, or have said things about her that paints her as difficult to work with.

I mean, folks….

 

9 minutes ago, Shartnado said:

Right about ... now-ish?

I think we are now, Casey.

Edited February 22, 2025 by The Natural

[HarryArchieGus]

14 hours ago, twiztor said:

genuinely asking, but how can you see that segment as Rosa being in the wrong? 

the two heels should have bailed as soon as the face shows up with a chair. we've all seen it 100s of times. they didn't beg off, they didn't cower, they didn't back down whatsoever. in kayfabe Rosa looks like an idiot for threatening to hit them and then not following through, but in the real world Bayne and Ford should not have been standing tall.

You may be right. Maybe the chair wasn’t initially discussed? Who knows? My comment was in regards to Rosa consistently having these kind of brain fart moments. They happen with less notice in a lot of her matches and segments. They just happen on Collision where so few pay attention. 

[tbarrie]

8 hours ago, The Natural said:

Found this today from a week ago:

Appearing on "Busted Open Radio" Wednesday to discuss all of Saturday's happenings, Rosa not so shockingly revealed that she didn't love her interactions wth Bayne, especially Bayne's attitude towards Rosa backstage.

"I'm not a very big fan of her, because...you come into a new locker room, and you're trying to be accommodating, you're trying to be nice, you're trying to make them feel comfortable," Rosa said. "But when somebody feels like they're bigger, better, and maybe they look down upon you...that really bothered me. It really rubbed me the wrong way. And she's in my home state with my peeps, and everything, and she just comes and acts that way. I'm not cool with that. I'm not cool with people that have bad attitudes."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/general/aew-s-thunder-rosa-explains-why-she-s-not-a-fan-of-megan-bayne/ar-AA1yVyT9?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Are we certain she wasn't in character for this interview? Because that sounds like it could be a description of Bayne and Rosa's initial on-screen interaction.

[EVA]

6 hours ago, Casey said:

When are we going to start applying the Punk “if you run into assholes all day, maybe you’re an asshole” method? Britt, Ivelisse, Marina Shafir, Toni Storm, now Megan Bayne - all bad experiences with Rosa, or have said things about her that paints her as difficult to work with.

I mean, folks….

Wait, have we not been doing that for like 2 years now? At least since she dropped the belt without losing it to Toni way back when? Shes just mostly been a non-factor relegated to Rampage/Collision since coming back a last year, so nobody even thinks about her anymore.

[NoFistsJustFlips]

My read on the Rosa stuff (just on man's take) is that Rosa was expecting the heels to powder. I suspect the heels were waiting for something to cause them to powder. A wild swing / hitting Bayne once that she could no sell / Ford pulling Bayne away after the swing. Something like that. Just an awkward and weird miscommunication and definately something the agent should have stressed with them. If you bring a chair into the segment you have to be willing to swing it. Otherwise you look like an idiot. If Bayne & Ford were supposed to powder & didn't then getting hit (in a safe place) is their own fault,even f not initially scripted that way.

And I think the general opinion of Rosa swung back when she got hurt then there was that reality show. Regardless if it was just talked up as drama for that show, it stuck and she has a bad reputation now. She's kind of always been a little sloppy & has bad instincts in matches that cause botches and awkwardness in my opinion. So I wouldn't be surprised if women get annoyed having to work with her.

[twiztor]

2 hours ago, HarryArchieGus said:

You may be right. Maybe the chair wasn’t initially discussed? Who knows? My comment was in regards to Rosa consistently having these kind of brain fart moments. They happen with less notice in a lot of her matches and segments. They just happen on Collision where so few pay attention. 

IF the chair was unplanned, then that is first on Rosa. But Bayne and Ford have both been in the business long enough to know what to do in that situation regardless. Still a big if IMO.

the rest of your post i agree with.

7 hours ago, Casey said:

When are we going to start applying the Punk “if you run into assholes all day, maybe you’re an asshole” method? Britt, Ivelisse, Marina Shafir, Toni Storm, now Megan Bayne - all bad experiences with Rosa, or have said things about her that paints her as difficult to work with.

I mean, folks….

i'm a pretty big Thunder Rosa supporter. She was my favorite wrestler, full stop, in her first year+ in AEW and NWA before that. So maybe i've just cut her more slack than most. She's long had the reputation for being too sloppy or loose with her work, which i think is a valid concern, but that i also think tends to get overargued. 

But i think it's undeniable that she definitely has a reputation for being hard to work with. And that, i think is certainly an earned reputation. Maybe she didn't get the best training? Maybe it comes from running her own promotion for so long and working with green talent? regardless, if this many people are having negative opinions of you during/after working with you, it's time to look in the mirror.

[EVA]

If you made a Top 10 list of the wrestlers who benefitted most from the pandemic, I think Rosa would have to be on it. Came to prominence in NWA (at probably the last possible moment someone could come to prominence by working NWA) and had a nice little run going at the exact moment AEW lost access to all their overseas female talent and were in desperate need of competent workers to fill out the division and willing to feature a non-contracted talent for a full year to do it. The whole Britt feud does not happen outside of those circumstances and she likely has a very different career.

[SovietShooter]

2 hours ago, tbarrie said:

Are we certain she wasn't in character for this interview?

Not that we're going to be able to put the djinn back in the bottle, but that is part of the problem with Kayfabe being dead.  Busted Open isn't canon, so she shouldn't be working, right?  But if she is, then how can you parse what is a work and what isn't?  Not just with Rosa, but in general. 

So, assume everyone is working all the time.

[tbarrie]

1 hour ago, SovietShooter said:

Not that we're going to be able to put the djinn back in the bottle, but that is part of the problem with Kayfabe being dead.  Busted Open isn't canon, so she shouldn't be working, right?  But if she is, then how can you parse what is a work and what isn't?  Not just with Rosa, but in general. 

See, I would argue it's part of the problem with kayfabe not being dead. At best it's mostly dead. It needs a fucking stake driven through its heart.

If I see an actor who plays a character in the MCU or Mad Men or something on a talk show, I don't have to wonder whether they're in character. They're assumed not to be, and that assumption will only be broken as a joke (and it's generally obvious when such a joke is being made). It's annoying that I have to wonder when it's a pro wrestler. 

[Technico Support]

27 minutes ago, tbarrie said:

See, I would argue it's part of the problem with kayfabe not being dead. At best it's mostly dead. It needs a fucking stake driven through its heart.

If I see an actor who plays a character in the MCU or Mad Men or something on a talk show, I don't have to wonder whether they're in character. They're assumed not to be, and that assumption will only be broken as a joke (and it's generally obvious when such a joke is being made). It's annoying that I have to wonder when it's a pro wrestler. 

A thousand times this.  Being a fan of pro wrestling still carries a stigma in 2025 because the gross carnies in charge of stewardship of the art form clung to kayfabe for decades past the point of insulting everyone’s intelligence.

[Godfrey]

Interesting! I'd prefer kayfabe came back personally, then you wouldn't have to wonder because they'd always be in character

[Ramo2653]

13 hours ago, The Natural said:

Found this today from a week ago:

Appearing on "Busted Open Radio" Wednesday to discuss all of Saturday's happenings, Rosa not so shockingly revealed that she didn't love her interactions wth Bayne, especially Bayne's attitude towards Rosa backstage.

"I'm not a very big fan of her, because...you come into a new locker room, and you're trying to be accommodating, you're trying to be nice, you're trying to make them feel comfortable," Rosa said. "But when somebody feels like they're bigger, better, and maybe they look down upon you...that really bothered me. It really rubbed me the wrong way. And she's in my home state with my peeps, and everything, and she just comes and acts that way. I'm not cool with that. I'm not cool with people that have bad attitudes."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/general/aew-s-thunder-rosa-explains-why-she-s-not-a-fan-of-megan-bayne/ar-AA1yVyT9?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

5 hours ago, tbarrie said:

Are we certain she wasn't in character for this interview? Because that sounds like it could be a description of Bayne and Rosa's initial on-screen interaction.

That's pretty much her promo after her first interaction with Bayne on Collison which makes me think "work"

3 hours ago, EVA said:

If you made a Top 10 list of the wrestlers who benefitted most from the pandemic, I think Rosa would have to be on it. Came to prominence in NWA (at probably the last possible moment someone could come to prominence by working NWA) and had a nice little run going at the exact moment AEW lost access to all their overseas female talent and were in desperate need of competent workers to fill out the division and willing to feature a non-contracted talent for a full year to do it. The whole Britt feud does not happen outside of those circumstances and she likely has a very different career.

I think she would have gotten picked up by the PC and whatever would have happened there would have happened.

[tbarrie]

39 minutes ago, Godfrey said:

Interesting! I'd prefer kayfabe came back personally, then you wouldn't have to wonder because they'd always be in character

I'm not sure how serious you're being, but I agree that this would solve that specific problem. But I don't think it makes sense to double down on tropes and conventions designed to trick people into thinking this shit is real in an era when everybody knows it's not.

And there are other problems caused by the ghost of kayfabe that aren't as easily solved. Like, I'm annoyed when it's not clear whether a given statement is in or out of character, but I freaking hate it when I'm left unsure whether an injury is real or part of the storyline. There's no good reason why wrestling hasn't devised a way to clearly communicate to the audience which is happening, except that back in the kayfabe era you couldn't do that, because the audience wasn't supposed to know there was a difference.

[EVA]

38 minutes ago, Ramo2653 said:

 

I think she would have gotten picked up by the PC and whatever would have happened there would have happened.

WWE wasn’t interested in her. Only offered her a tryout as a referee.

[odessasteps]

Given the way the WWE quota system often worked/works, they probably figured Zelina already filled that spot. 

[SovietShooter]

1 hour ago, tbarrie said:

But I don't think it makes sense to double down on tropes and conventions designed to trick people into thinking this shit is real in an era when everybody knows it's not.

 

1 hour ago, tbarrie said:

There's no good reason why wrestling hasn't devised a way to clearly communicate to the audience which is happening, except that back in the kayfabe era you couldn't do that, because the audience wasn't supposed to know there was a difference.

When I watch a magician/illusionist I am fully aware that it is not real, and that it is an act designed to entertain.  That lovely young assistant isn't really being sawed in half.  But I hate hate hate when a magician does a trick, and then turns around and explains how they do the trick.

Yeah,we are past the era where the business is trying to separate a bunch of rubes from their money by tricking them that all this shit is real... but at the same time we shouldn't have all the wrestlers coming out at the end of the night and taking a bow before the curtain closes and everyone goes home.  We need a certain level of belief and suspension of disbelief for everything to work. 

[odessasteps]

Yeah, wrestlers doing a post-game media scrum like they just played in a real sports game, in or out of character, is awful. 

I loved Ricky Jay, but would have never wanted to learn how he did what he did. 

The only time I like things being exposed in my entertainment is when you see a con or heist or spy mission planned at the start of the movie, and most times, it ends uo breaking down anyway. 

[Godfrey]

2 hours ago, tbarrie said:

I'm not sure how serious you're being, but I agree that this would solve that specific problem. But I don't think it makes sense to double down on tropes and conventions designed to trick people into thinking this shit is real in an era when everybody knows it's not.

And there are other problems caused by the ghost of kayfabe that aren't as easily solved. Like, I'm annoyed when it's not clear whether a given statement is in or out of character, but I freaking hate it when I'm left unsure whether an injury is real or part of the storyline. There's no good reason why wrestling hasn't devised a way to clearly communicate to the audience which is happening, except that back in the kayfabe era you couldn't do that, because the audience wasn't supposed to know there was a difference.

I am being serious but I have a very different take on kayfabe. I don't think kayfabe is about tricking people into thinking wrestling matches are real, the famous quote is that you can't make people think wrestling is real but you can convince them you're real. To me kayfabe is about keeping up the reality or living the gimmick so that people don't know what's real and what isn't, and that's when you can really get the audience to buy into your show