WRESTLEDREAM II - 10/12/2024

[Curt McGirt]

Not if he never went to 5th grade 

[southofheavy]

4 hours ago, Gorman said:

I watched the MasterClass with Goosebumps author RL Stine, and he wrote 300 books with one finger.

I bet RL Stine has 300 one-fingered ghost writers, ever think of that?

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

50 minutes ago, Matt D said:

Moxley does not know who Mavis Beacon and Carmen Sandiego are? 

DO IT ROCKAPELLA

[FourPostMassacre]

On 10/13/2024 at 8:12 AM, AxB said:

Also, at the end when all of the babyfaces ran in to make the save, Jim Ross had one of his all time great "I don't watch the product; I don't even watch the undercards of shows I'm on!" moment.

"Not Jeff Jarrett!"

Jeff Jarrett has been a very over babyface for like 3 months, sir. Which you would know, if you watched the shows you're on.

To be fair to JR I also have this reaction anytime JJ walks out of the tunnel.

[Matt D]

I wrote about Darby vs Brody too:

http://segundacaida.blogspot.com/2024/10/aew-five-fingers-of-death-107-1013-part_14.html

[Brandon Bones]

1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:

Not if he never went to 5th grade 

Mox is the kinda guy to gakk up a dozen rails of coke… and then go hang out at the library.  He is an enigma.

 

With all the Empire Strikes Back talk holding hands with the reaction to the show.  I’m compelled to make a confession.  A true confession that I have never IRL ever revealed.

Friends… I was a “Luke’s Father denier”.

After the end of ESB I did not walk away convinced of the truth of it.  Nope.  My pudding brain was like “Nope! Not true, moving on”.  Incapable of believing it!  
 

It didn’t excuse me of the premiere “absence of god” feeling that movies ending also inspired.  But you can imagine a few years later the mood swing when Vader and Luke during ROTJ are just casually talking through it like it was settled law.  
 

Yikes, young Bones.  Just wait for the plot twist of “what’s under that dress”?

So yeah.  We got Shakespeare this time around.  You all know Daniel Bryan Danielson.  This dude was going out like the fucking Wild Bunch no matter what!

He was Arthur at the end of Excalibur when Mordrid gets all “Come father!  Let us embrace at last.”  Stabbed through the meaty guts with a spear.  Off to Avalon!

 

[Curt McGirt]

39 minutes ago, Brandon Bones said:

Mox is the kinda guy to gakk up a dozen rails of coke… and then go hang out at the library.  He is an enigma.

At least that would make you want to stay active.

This is a true story: One time, years and years ago, I was tanked and just sat at the kitchen table and polished off the Doors bio written by Danny Sugerman. I told my friends about it later on and the response from one of them was "Curt's the only guy who would get drunk and go read a book." I kind of took that as a badge of honor! 

[Hamhock]

5 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

How about this analogy: Moxley is analog as compared with digital.

Mox is so analog, he listens to music solely on Edison wax cylinders.

[HarryArchieGus]

I should have never underestimated this show. AEW as company has a unique quality of delivering sometimes bigger on their lesser line-ups. Wrestledream II was completely that for me. I watched this in 3 parts. Part 1: starting off with the Zero Hour. Much FFWDing. Cage v Atlantis was pretty terrific. Cage gels well with high flyers. This title change feels like flowers for a pretty strong workmanlike/professional/unselfish run for the Machine. Anna Jay v Harley Cameron was going fine until that finish. Jay has clearly benefitted from that month long Japanese excursion - these need to be a priority. Send Harley immediately. On the finish - Mike Posey helping maneuver Harley's shoulder down was insanely terrible. I like both these ladies, so kinda glad nobody seemed to notice or care, but holy shit that was Awful. MxM v Acclaimed was solid. I like the addition of Rico. Mansoor is impressive, and especially here with Bowens. The Mercedes/Aminata promo was fine. Aminata could've used a second take perhaps. I like the match that results from this. Oh man, that TK Inoki ceremony seemed a bit rough between ffwd skims. Dark Order/Athletes v Conglomeration/Outrunners was fun. KOR has been quietly looking great in these tags alongside Orange. I loved the confrontation with Okada post-match. Less so Hammy 'INTERIM EVP' Chris Daniels. The Outrunners continue to thrill audiences, myself included. I like the choice to build them up slowly. Truth and Turb continue to tighten up their act passed their more basic enhancement beginnings. Jay White v Hangman was sensational and a perfect PPV opener. Wonderful pro wrestling. Jay's fundamentals and in-ring acumen are second to none. The finish was absolutely spectacular. What a moment! The Willow v Mariah bout that followed was equally as wonderful. Such flow and delivery throughout. I like a clean finish, but I need the next Willow story to happen ASAP. Mariah May is such a smart worker. The Shibata v Perry match that followed just continued the joy of this PPV. Such a treat watching Shibata. I marvel at his every movement. I liked the shitheel finish, but maybe it's because I 100% expected some mischevious behaviour from Jungler. The Garcia/MJF/Cole/Perry angle that followed was fantastic. Very much looking forward to seeing all this play out. The Takeshita v Ricochet v Ospreay 3 way was my part 1 main event. I needed a refresh after this State of the Art. I loved everything about this match - storyline finish included. Ricochet is such an all around awesome talent. He's not 25 and lightning fast anymore, but why would I expect that? He's whatever age he is and a much smarter worker. He also bumps like a champion and has fantastic offense. In the end, this felt like a breakout performance from Takeshita. I'm not so much worried about who has belts, but I do love Takeshita getting his flowers. I suspect it's all an ascent to the top from here. Ospreay is fucking Dazzling! 

Edited October 14, 2024 by HarryArchieGus

[tbarrie]

On 10/13/2024 at 12:25 AM, The Natural said:

Really don't like Jon Moxley as AEW World Champion, AGAIN. Should have been Bryan Danielson vs. Darby Allin here with Darby winning and getting the rub ending Bryan Danielson's full time career. Give it to someone who needs it. Mox doesn't.

In order for the angle with Mox and the BCC to be as big of a deal as they seemingly want it to be, I think Mox did need to win.

I know I said before that I wasn't expecting a Mox victory, but thinking about it further, Danielson winning wouldn't have worked at all.

[HarryArchieGus]

Part 2 of Wrestledream 2 began with the Swerve/MVP/Nana/Shelton segment. Swerve meandered a bit in his promo pre-interruption, as he sometimes is prone to do. He was all business once MVP/Benjamin arrived. I love-love-loved how he put over both Benjamin and MVP. He made Shelton seem important. His break-up tease stuff with Nana was spot on. Small gripe on the production mishap of not cutting to Benjamin during his mic work. I like this slow building Hurt Business feud. Very pleased they saved big Bobby for the next go around, especially with all the PPV happenings. Hologram v Beast Mortos and Darby v Brody were everything I hoped they would be. Both Beast and Hologram made the most of their minutes, and got an exhuasted crowd going. Beast's Torneo is unfuckingreal. Man, hard to out bump Darby, and not saying he did, but Brody took some huge bumps. I'm very much with the idea being discussed of a Brody babyface turn, and especially aligning with Darb. The Bucks v Privates match had a tough build. Too few were buying Quen/Kassidy as worthy PPV challengers let alone winning the match. That said, that excellent Amazing Red video package, and the Bucks heeling helped. This was a quiet crowd to begin, but all 4 worked hard to get them down the finish. Very pleased with the Bucks win. I also sense Kassidy is going solo, and I'm all for that. Tho, I'd appreciate if he dropped that awful looking punch flurry to the back thing. This match was by no means the Bucks best, but a great example of what ring generals they are. Their timing and placement is second to none. You'd be hard pressed to find a Private Party match as good as any vs. the Bucks. The same is true for most teams on the roster. Jericho v Briscoe also had a hill to climb, but, as suspected, these two worked extremely well together. Mark is clearly incapable of having anything less than a Good match. Strap a rocket to Mark. I really want a Briscoe v Moxley match/series.

Part 3: to no surprise, Danielson v Moxley was an exceptional main event. I loved every minute of it. I liked the post match angle, but had some minor qualms. On the last PPV it made little sense to me that nobody would intervene on the attempted murder. Here the timing of the saves were a touch slow. I liked the fodder selection, but Cole/OC/Garcia etc. needed to hit the ring a lot sooner. I did very much like the BCC tucking the belt into an 'ominous' black bag. If I'm honest, at first, I was a bit amused by Excalibur's melodramatic crying on commentary, but I nonetheless thoroughly appreciate this choice. Man, whether it worked entirely or not, we shall see, but I loved the decision to go all in on the Heat. I also appreciate the seemingly mark-ish response to both the angle and  our extraordinary champion Jon Moxley. This was an absolutely remarkable PPV show. As our beloved founder would surely have noted after watching this PPV: AEWrulesTheMotherFukingWorld.

Edited October 14, 2024 by HarryArchieGus

[Overly Critical Man]

On 10/13/2024 at 1:58 PM, just drew said:

First of all, damn, man, what do you like? And this is coming from ME.

Second, Yuta didn’t look happy to be doing what he did. I’d love for him to come out Wednesday and say something like “Delores Yuta didn’t raise any fools. Mox & the rest of these guys are here today. Bryan isn’t. This was self preservation.” Something like that. 

Sure, there’s things I enjoy. Willow Nightingale is a pure ray of sunshine. Kris Statlander, even if they just gave her the lamest face turn ever. Hikaru Shida, as rare as her appearances are these days. Powerhouse Hobbs. Jeff Jarrett. Samoa Joe. Even Bryan Danielson, up until he showed he has brain worms for the business. 

But it all just seems so… pointless. AEW always has these moments where you think they’re about to pull off something special and then they go and do something LOLTNA worthy that just erodes whatever good will was built up. Why cut Swerve’s title reign off at the knees to give us an underwhelming 46 day title reign? Why tease Darby vs Bryan and then not deliver? Why put the title on Moxley YET AGAIN to show us what a cool rebel unbeatable badass he is? A million possibilities and we always end up back at Moxley. Always freakin’ Moxley. I thought Jeff Jarrett in TNA was ridiculous, but with a roster this loaded, they always go back to this deathmatch dork. Ugh. Ugh! UGH!!!!

Anyway… Takeshita is pretty cool too.

[zendragon]

18 hours ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:

I'm the same, I learned how to type when I was like... four or five by hunting and pecking with two fingers, then I was touch-typing with two fingers, then I just got faster with it. I can usually get to 70-75wpm with the pointer fingers, and I occasionally use the middle on my left hand.

I can type with a weird six finger method that makes sense to me and no one else, I had a teacher look at me and say "you taught yourself to type"

[Technico Support]

21 hours ago, Brandon Bones said:

With all the Empire Strikes Back talk holding hands with the reaction to the show.  I’m compelled to make a confession.  A true confession that I have never IRL ever revealed.

Friends… I was a “Luke’s Father denier”.

Don't feel bad.  I knew a guy who was multiple episodes into Homeland as a "Brody was turned" denier.

[Technico Support]

18 hours ago, Overly Critical Man said:

Why cut Swerve’s title reign off at the knees to give us an underwhelming 46 day title reign?

Yeah, this.  So now we have done the whole "next time I lose, I retire" gimmick twice in wrestling -- with two massive, legendary wrestlers --  and somehow, both times, it sucked.  It feels like it should be an easy story to write.  Clearly Bryan was pretty much washed when he won the title, if not before then.  I guess TK wanted to give him the gold watch reign and get a big moment (and yeah, fuck booking for "moments") at Wembley, but god damn, doing that and then letting him write his own story just lead us to this.  Wow.  Like, if you're doing the "I'm world champ and if I lose, I retire" thing, then it has to be a long reign.  I didn't even think about it only being a month and a half until I read your post.  That's just laughably bad. 

I love AEW and want them to do well, but the booking of Danielson ain't it.  I hope they right the ship but, as I wrote in another thread, I'm not sure "heel stable taking over attempt #2,786" is it.

Edited October 15, 2024 by Technico Support

[The Natural]

15 hours ago, Overly Critical Man said:

Sure, there’s things I enjoy. Willow Nightingale is a pure ray of sunshine. Kris Statlander, even if they just gave her the lamest face turn ever. Hikaru Shida, as rare as her appearances are these days. Powerhouse Hobbs. Jeff Jarrett. Samoa Joe. Even Bryan Danielson, up until he showed he has brain worms for the business. 

But it all just seems so… pointless. AEW always has these moments where you think they’re about to pull off something special and then they go and do something LOLTNA worthy that just erodes whatever good will was built up. Why cut Swerve’s title reign off at the knees to give us an underwhelming 46 day title reign? Why tease Darby vs Bryan and then not deliver? Why put the title on Moxley YET AGAIN to show us what a cool rebel unbeatable badass he is? A million possibilities and we always end up back at Moxley. Always freakin’ Moxley. I thought Jeff Jarrett in TNA was ridiculous, but with a roster this loaded, they always go back to this deathmatch dork. Ugh. Ugh! UGH!!!!

Anyway… Takeshita is pretty cool too.

 

23 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

Yeah, this.  So now we have done the whole "next time I lose, I retire" gimmick twice in wrestling -- with two massive, legendary wrestlers --  and somehow, both times, it sucked.  It feels like it should be an easy story to write.  Clearly Bryan was pretty much washed when he won the title, if not before then.  I guess TK wanted to give him the gold watch reign and get a big moment (and yeah, fuck booking for "moments") at Wembley, but god damn, doing that and then letting him write his own story just lead us to this.  Wow.  Like, if you're doing the "I'm world champ and if I lose, I retire," then it has to be a long reign.  I didn't even think about it only being a month and a half until I real you post.  That's just laughably bad. 

I love AEW and want them to do well, but the booking of Danielson ain't it.  I hope they right the ship but, as I wrote in another thread, I'm not sure "heel stable taking over attempt #2,786" is it.

Another example of the chase better than the reign itself with the only successful defence of the AEW World Championship wasted on fucking Jack Perry.

I'm still glad Bryan Danielson won the AEW World Championship, I just wish it happened sooner and he had an epic reign. I watched Bryan Danielson vs. Swerve Strickland from AEW All In 2024 today and it's honestly lost a little lustre with me knowing how Bryan Danielson's reign turned out and Jon Moxley was the wrong guy to get the rub.

Edited October 15, 2024 by The Natural

[The Natural]

^ The above coming from the biggest Bryan Danielson fan on the Death Valley Driver Message Board with all due respect to others here.

Edited October 15, 2024 by The Natural

[Technico Support]

I just caught up with this whole thread and...yeah.  I don't even care about the ending.  We can have despair and evil can win sometimes because as someone else said in the thread, you bring things down so you can bring them back up.  I just feel like everything leading up to it was so clumsy and hastily done.  It feels like TK had two directives: get the belt to Bryan, and get Bryan to retirement.  And he suddenly realized he had less than two months to do it?  Or it just worked out that way, maybe.  Did everyone involved maybe think Bryan could last longer?  I just don't know.  But god damn, this thing has been a mess.  I still feel like TK needs to step back from booking for a bit or at least let others take a good portion of the load.

[AxB]

Jimmy Jacobs is gone, so if anything Coach Tony K has more booking responsibility than he did last week.

Although, apparently a lot of the things people disliked about AEW were Jimmy Jacobs decisions, so perhaps it'll be better without him.

[Octopus]

1 minute ago, AxB said:

Jimmy Jacobs is gone, so if anything Coach Tony K has more booking responsibility than he did last week.

Although, apparently a lot of the things people disliked about AEW were Jimmy Jacobs decisions, so perhaps it'll be better without him.

I am more than willing to take the job. Put me in, coach. I’m ready to play.

[Technico Support]

If Mox is channeling Romper Stomper and American History X, Triple K must be champing at the bit to re-sign him for another WWE run.

[Just Adam Bay Bay]

2 hours ago, Technico Support said:

Yeah, this.  So now we have done the whole "next time I lose, I retire" gimmick twice in wrestling -- with two massive, legendary wrestlers --  and somehow, both times, it sucked.  It feels like it should be an easy story to write.  Clearly Bryan was pretty much washed when he won the title, if not before then.  I guess TK wanted to give him the gold watch reign and get a big moment (and yeah, fuck booking for "moments") at Wembley, but god damn, doing that and then letting him write his own story just lead us to this.  Wow.  Like, if you're doing the "I'm world champ and if I lose, I retire," then it has to be a long reign.  I didn't even think about it only being a month and a half until I real your post.  That's just laughably bad. 

I love AEW and want them to do well, but the booking of Danielson ain't it.  I hope they right the ship but, as I wrote in another thread, I'm not sure "heel stable taking over attempt #2,786" is it.

Not to go to far into the other company, but I did love Ric Flairs retirement angle, and while it’s overdone now I thought he had a perfect last match including the I’m Sorry I Love You spot. Heck I also loved the callback to that at Revolution with The Bucks telling Sting they’re not sorry and they hate him before hitting the EVP trigger.

[Just Adam Bay Bay]

2 hours ago, The Natural said:

 

Another example of the chase better than the reign itself with the only successful defence of the AEW World Championship wasted on fucking Jack Perry.

I'm still glad Bryan Danielson won the AEW World Championship, I just wish it happened sooner and he had an epic reign. I watched Bryan Danielson vs. Swerve Strickland from AEW All In 2024 today and it's honestly lost a little lustre with me knowing how Bryan Danielson's reign turned out and Jon Moxley was the wrong guy to get the rub.

Not to be that guy but he did successfully defend against Okada too.

[The Natural]

9 minutes ago, Just Adam Bay Bay said:

Not to be that guy but he did successfully defend against Okada too.

No worries. Cheers.

[Technico Support]

17 minutes ago, Just Adam Bay Bay said:

Not to go to far into the other company, but I did love Ric Flairs retirement angle, and while it’s overdone now I thought he had a perfect last match including the I’m Sorry I Love You spot.

The final match was a great capper to it, but I vaguely recall that the "lose and retire" run as a whole was uninspired, with short and meaningless matches against midcarders, mostly fuck finishes, and Flair losing tags (where it was decided the stip didn't apply).  It was very half-assed, not treated as a heavy storyline like it should have been, and the prevailing view is that the Michaels match saved the angle.

Edited October 15, 2024 by Technico Support