Infinit Posted October 13 Posted October 13 33 minutes ago, Casey said: If you want the real reason why TK wasn’t there, the Jags play in London in a few hours. Perfect opportunity to do some kayfabe since the boss had to chug like 16 cups of coffee and get on a plane. That's a fucking ROUGH 24 hours. PPV, flying from SeaTac to London, and straight to the Jags game. God bless TK
barrybonanza Posted October 13 Posted October 13 What do we think the BCC putting the title in the bag represents? There's so many nice little story beats in this angle, I'm convinced a lot of them stem from Mox. 1
Fighting a man with a perm Posted October 13 Posted October 13 I'm all for Darby and OC leading the charge against BCC. Those two have always represented the heart and soul of AEW to me. Don't tease me with thoughts of super-face Big Bad Brody King joining with them to act as their Claudio equaliser. Doesn't OC have history with all 4 members of BCC too? Went into this show with low expectations, came away thoroughly entertained with a real sense of "what's coming next? I'm excited/intrigued to find out" and I had been losing some of that feeling lately. 9 1
Shartnado Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) Zero Hour was already an event in and of itself. Finally, Brian Cage wins something. Match itself was just Ok, but seems like Cage learned from last time. MXM vs The Acclamed was another match. Rico being MXM's back-up was logical, but a rather dissapointing surprise. Anna Jay vs Harley Cameron was entertaining but nothing special The Outrunners getting another win in the 8 man was awesome, the match itself was very entertaining. ...On to the real show. It took a while to get really going, but Hangman vs White got pretty awesome by the end. I was thinking it may go to tge time-limit, because how are you going to make either one eat the pin here? Well, countering your opponent's finisher with your own will always be the kind of wrestling psychology I'm down for! Now let's see who the other guy who stood in White's way was? Mariah vs Willow was absolutely fantastic. What a great match. Sad to see Willow miss out once more, but Mariah had one hell of a performance again, and she earned the victory. Shibata vs Jungle Jesus had its moments, but Perry outsmarting and outwrestling Shibata during the finish was a bit of a stretch. Ok, so he got lucky too, but bridging in a rear naked choke to force a release from your opponent is a smart move and not letting go once your shoulders are on the mat was a stupid move on Shibata's behalf. You really think he would fall for such an elementary move? After the match, the really interesting stuff started happening. Garcia moves in to confront Perry, MJF returns and ties up the Dynamite Diamond Pawned -story and then Adam Cole returns... again. Last time, the tables turned and this time, the turns tabled. More than a year and this is still going on. Well, something for both guys to do for a couple of months. Ospreay v Ricochet v Takeshita was such next level shit, it's not even funny. I knew I'd stop here for the day, no matter how it went. This was insane. Ok, Callis your screwdriver of plot worked once again, thanks to Fletcher's back (of the head) stabbing and Takeshita is the champion by actually pinning Ospreay. If this leads to Takeshita vs Ricochet and Ospreay vs Fletcher in a non-friendly competition, I'll be so happy! Edited October 13 by Shartnado PPV thoughts added 2
AxB Posted October 13 Posted October 13 If you watched Zero Hour, and then went on to watch the whole PPV except you went to bed before than main event, saved that for the next day, you would think you'd just seen one of the best AEW PPVs they've done. Everything on ZH was fun, Cage vs Atlantis was a decent showcase for both guys, Anna Jay and Harley Cameron was OK, Acclaimed vs MXM was a good mix of action and entertainment spots, Outrunneration vs Dark Athletes was a great sprint (must have been a bit bittersweet for Reynolds and Silver, the former AEW meme team, to be putting over the current meme team, but oh well). Oh, and Chris Daniels had Okada and Kyle O'Reilly kicked out of the building, to make sure nobody expected Okada to interfere in Bucks/PP or Perry/Shibata... becauses if that had happened, the fans might start to anticipate Okada vs Shibata, and I'm not sure that's a place AEW is going to go lightly. White vs Hangman was a real reminder that Jay White is actually really, really good. I think there was an expectation that furious Hangman is a force of nature that overwhelms all opposition, so seeing White as the crafty tactician keeping his head and outsmarting him was a real curveball. Mariah vs Willow was one of the best straight wrestling women's matches AEW has had - like for a while the better women's matches were always plunder-laced blood brawls, whereas this was moves and counters only, and it was great. Perry vs Shibata was another example of AEW trying to get Jack Perry over as legit tough, by booking him in singles matches against killers who eat him alive (but he finds a way to win). Probably better than his Suzuki match, and he didn't look as out of his depth as he did facing RUSH. I think the finish here, like the finish of Jay vs Hanger, was to set up in the fan's minds that the main event finish was going to be Danielson finding a way too... like we had two "Physically overmatched but crafty" guys finding a way to win, on a show where the main event was telling a similar story. Spoiler Also anyone who saw Perry's Dynamite promo and checked out Shibata's package might have been a bit distracted in the match. Man has a bicycle seat down his trunks. The Three-Way, in the body of the match is was a great way of saying "Hey guys, Ospreay and Ricochet might be these super athletes, but Takeshita is every bit as fast as them, almost as athletic as them, and vastly more powerful and hard hitting than them". So him winning made perfect sense. The fact that they did a big heel turn angle with it, that's a bit sports entertainment-ish, and... do we really need THREE dominant heel stables in the promotion? The Don Callis Family angle has been hurt a lot by injuries and other things... like if Sammy Guevara hadn't blown his angle, and if Hobbs and Trent? had stayed healthy (and RUSH had stuck around), the DCF running in would look like a group of killers and their annoying friend showing up. But because it's usually just Don and Fletcher, it doesn't have that gang intimidation factor. A long talking segment on PPV, that's a good way to give the fans a break. Could have been a little shorter, and I think everyone was expecting Lashley to show up. But Swerve got to have his hometown reaction at least. Hologram vs Mortos was fantastic. Watching it with people who don't watch much Lucha and don't know the "Primera Caida - Technico, Segunda Caida - Rudo, Tercera Caida - Technico comeback or Foule!" structure made it more enjoyable. Mortos wrestled The Butcher on Rampage, and I was surprised - like I thought he might be one of those Super Heavyweight Cruiserweights like Dick Togo or Uhaa Nation (Apollo Crews) who looks huge next to small highflyers, but tiny next to actual big heavyweights. But he didn't. He was smaller than Butcher, but not dwarfed by him. Allin vs King was another reminder of why AEW's attempts to paint Jack Perry as a legit tough guy keep failing; Because Darby Allin also works there and takes more horrific beatings in every match. I think perhaps they should start to grow concerned about diminishing returns with Darby though, he has these incredible matches where he takes punishment 99% of wrestlers wouldn't, but he does it multiple times a year. You don't want fans to start thinking he can't be killed. It's like Ladder matches, if you only do one once every 4-5 years, they become a huge deal. Doing one every two to three months, they kind of blur into one undramatic miasma. Bucks vs Private Party was a Bucks match... I think as they age, they are starting to slow down a bit. Perhaps they should change their style and be a bit more dirty opportunistic, low blow/ eye poke guys. The spotfest style is going to get away from them... and Ospreay and Ricochet are in the company now. If they were ever the top high speed high flyers in AEW (debatable, Rey Fenix has been there from the start and so on), they certainly aren't now. It was one of the few matches on the show with a sense of inevitability about it; Like the upset never felt in the offing. Briscoe vs Jericho, that was good. Going to be interesting to see what happens with Jericho now that Jimmy Jacobs is gone, if Jacobs really was Jericho's main writer. And then the main event happened, and for most of the match it was really good. Right up until Moxley Thanos snapped Danielson out of existence, and the remaining babyfaces sat around devastated. 3
AxB Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Also, at the end when all of the babyfaces ran in to make the save, Jim Ross had one of his all time great "I don't watch the product; I don't even watch the undercards of shows I'm on!" moment. "Not Jeff Jarrett!" Jeff Jarrett has been a very over babyface for like 3 months, sir. Which you would know, if you watched the shows you're on. 4 1
Ziggy Posted October 13 Posted October 13 7 hours ago, The Natural said: I can't see Bryan Danielson going back to WWE, I think he'll stay in AEW. Although blood and working with other companies you can now do under Triple H unlike the senile POS. Bryan wanted to do both of those. I like Bryan as much as anyone but he is friends with Vince too 1
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Putting your title on a guy whose gimmick change is inspired by a neo-Nazi movie character in this current climate is a choice. Though I guess we can look forward to Wheeler Yuta stabbing Jon Moxley in the neck with a knife. 1
barrybonanza Posted October 13 Posted October 13 1 minute ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: Putting your title on a guy whose gimmick change is inspired by a neo-Nazi movie character in this current climate is a choice. Though I guess we can look forward to Wheeler Yuta stabbing Jon Moxley in the neck with a knife. Who is the inspiration?
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Just now, barrybonanza said: Who is the inspiration? Russell Crowe's character from Romper Stomper.
FourPostMassacre Posted October 13 Posted October 13 6 hours ago, WebConn89 said: You would think that The Bucks would make killer heels they seem like they’d be super unlikable but there’s something that doesn’t click I think it’s the heel characters they adapted it seems forced like they don’t seem like they kind of guys that would wear the fancy gold they should be more chicken shit not do the super kicks and all the movez they should be doing headlocks and running away from there opponents. Also I really don’t think the AEW fan base really want to boo The Bucks. They still do shit that the Face Bucks would do like tonight for example when they squashed their pumps before the super kicks that’s something they would do as faces. Being/Working heel to the Bucks is basically let’s just dress really loud and obnoxiously like Seth Rollins and that makes us bad guys. I mean Matt, much like Seth has one of the more punchable faces out there so he at least has the permanent douchebag thing so he has that going for him but Nick just looks like Jason Mewes stunt double locked in to a lifelong feud with his receding hairline. 1 2
Just Adam Bay Bay Posted October 13 Posted October 13 7 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: Russell Crowe's character from Romper Stomper. Does that mean that Roderick Strong is gonna have to be AEWs savior then after Mox turns on Marina? And I have to say that movie sounds even more disturbing than I’d imagined after reading the Wikipedia page.
Overly Critical Man Posted October 13 Posted October 13 And just so I don’t sound like someone who doesn’t like anything… Willow vs Mariah May was excellent and Willow deserves the entire universe. Hell, have her take down Moxley(who fucking sucks). 1
SovietShooter Posted October 13 Posted October 13 7 hours ago, Kevin Wilson said: And I don't believe for a second the crowd wouldn't cheer the Young Bucks, the crowd would have cheered for them tonight if they ran down to save Danielson. 7 hours ago, WebConn89 said: Also I really don’t think the AEW fan base really want to boo The Bucks. I think if the Bucks can be positioned in a way where they are fighting from underneath for the soul of the company that they founded, they would be massively over again. Maybe what needs to happen is something like Claudio & Pac absolutely destroying them like what just happened to Danielson, and in a couple months they can return to a huge pop. 44 minutes ago, AxB said: "Not Jeff Jarrett!" Jeff Jarrett has been a very over babyface for like 3 months, sir. Which you would know, if you watched the shows you're on. I took that more as "No, don't attack Jeff Jarrett too!"
For Great Justice Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Young Bucks make for a good Gestahl in my FFVI analogy. They think they have the BCC under wraps until they, too, get dusted out. It will be interesting to see how they pull off a large scale storyline like this when so many other major names in AEW lore are hanging around. MJF, Jericho, Hangman, Omega don’t have opinions on all this?
barrybonanza Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Whilst the feud will clearly be centred around increasingly disturbed acts of violence, promos are a big part of pretty much any feud in North American wrestling and, the defenders of AEW looks a little thin. Moxley's the best promo in the company, whilst on the other side you've got Orange Cassidy, Hook, Garcia and Darby, who is a very mixed bag on the mic but brings his best work out against Mox. Maybe Jarrett? Will be interesting to see.
Niners Fan in CT Posted October 13 Posted October 13 About 2 hours in and I'm loving the PPV. Hangman and White was a very strong opener with a slick finish. Willow and Mariah was tons of fun. It was hard hitting and both women pulled off some moves I hadn't seen them do. By the time we get to Ospreay vs. Ricochet vs. Takeshita I'm in awe. That was one of the best triple threats I've ever seen because they did a lot of very creative sequences that involved all 3 of them instead of the typical your turn, my turn that you get from three way dances. Takeshita is a superstar waiting to breakthrough, he has it all. I think the right man went over. I also loved the slow burn with the MVP/Shelton and Swerve segment. Looks like we are getting Swerve and Shelton first. The second half of the show they started to lose me. I thought Mortos/Hologram was pretty good and they eventually won the crowd over but it would have worked better as an opener. Darby vs. Brody was good but didn't have too much of a build to it. Private Party losing really pissed me off. Why do the whole Amazing Red video package and have the Bucks cut that promo if they were just going to lose anyway. They might eventually win but they do this a lot with tag teams where they don't pull the trigger when fans are ready for it. The Bucks have killed the tag division. There are a lot of great teams like The Outrunners or Gunn Club or Top Flight that we could be building the division around... Jericho meh. I'm happy for Briscoe but Jericho keeps getting these PPV matches and he's washed. The main event started out hot but that end really soured me. So abrupt. Crowd really shit on it. I know Bryan isn't "retiring" but this was a bad way to go out to me. I don't know where the Mox thing is going but I feel like just going from Bryan to Darby would have been more effective than another power grab story line. 2
Infinit Posted October 13 Posted October 13 1 hour ago, AxB said: "Not Jeff Jarrett!" Jeff Jarrett has been a very over babyface for like 3 months, sir. Which you would know, if you watched the shows you're on. Fucking HATED this. Jarrett did something pretty heroic and JR shat all over it. Not cool. 4 2
hammerva Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) Mariah May putting the geeks in the "post game scrum" in their place is awesome. Like seriously you couldn't find one question to ask even in a kayfabe way https://twitter.com/moneemorgan/status/1845422086669455631 EDIT: Never mind apparently the person decided to cut out the one actual question that was asked to Mariah Edited October 13 by hammerva
NoFistsJustFlips Posted October 13 Posted October 13 I don't mind a heat finish. Sometimes you need that downer ending to bring the ride down before you're ready to ride it back up to new heights. That said, I personally find the ending last night worse than the infamous Dark Order segment that everyone shit on and made TK take away booking power from The Elite. I feel it's the worst AEW has ever been. First, Mox is stale an uninteresting. Going from buzz cut to shaved head and adding a woman heater isn't much of a character change. He's had the title a million times already as well. Building him up as this unstoppable bully also rings hollow when he's already done jobs for people like OC & Fenix. Second, the execution. That was some sloppy & poorly done work after the match ended. Noted real life best friends of Bryan... Jeff Jarrett & Provate Party??... are the only ones out to help. You have JR mocking Jarrett's involvement. The first bag angle was so heinous in storyline that.... everyone else just let it happen again? The rest of the guys only came out after a Pillmanizer neck deal? Why? Finally, it sets up a boring conclusion. I love Darby. I'll be happy to see him have a World Title run. But him vs Mox has happened so many fucking times already. I have zero instrest in the retread. You have so many over and fresh options to be elevated and to get behind. Like fuck man you couldn't build up Brody King as this unstoppable monster final boss scary monster instead of Mox? There's so many options even if they were set on this being the story. TL;DR - Basically it was a poorly done angle done with an un-over and uninteresting person building to something we've seen 100 times. Wrestling fans want new. This is reaching lol Moxley wins territory. As sick of him on top as I was of Orton & Cena in 2009. We should be seeing a rotation of Swerve & Ospreay & MJF & Darby & Hangman & Jay White on top. Not Mox or Jericho anymore. AEW legitimately feels like a chore to watch right now. 2
Fighting a man with a perm Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Wonder where Mox winning leaves Christian?? I don't see him going after Mox. Is his "next AEW champion" schtick on the shelf till luchasaurus returns? 1
hammerva Posted October 13 Posted October 13 The biggest problem that I am seeing is that I don't know who is on Moxley level that can take the title from him. Darby is definitely not that person. If someone turns against the BCC whether it is Claudio, Yuta, or PAC I don't see them being on that level unless they are booked like monsters which hasn't been Tony's style at all lately
WebConn89 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 14 minutes ago, hammerva said: The biggest problem that I am seeing is that I don't know who is on Moxley level that can take the title from him. Darby is definitely not that person. If someone turns against the BCC whether it is Claudio, Yuta, or PAC I don't see them being on that level unless they are booked like monsters which hasn't been Tony's style at all lately Swerve? If they start letting Jay White talk and he keeps getting big wins Jay White could be the guy.
Octopus Posted October 13 Posted October 13 2 hours ago, barrybonanza said: Who is the inspiration? Shrek 1 4
Casey Posted October 13 Posted October 13 I haven’t seen Romper Stomper (but I’ve heard that too) - but in those Dynamite opening promos I always get the impression Mox is channeling Derek in American History X. Y’know, pre-prison sentence Derek. 1
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