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11 minutes ago, Kevin Wilson said:

I'm somewhat sure Paul could have ended it in the 3rd when Tyson was reeling and backed off. It was a real fight, I believe they were both trying but I don't think Paul was going for the knockout, so somewhere between a regular pro fight and an exhibition. Or Paul was just overly cautious so he wasn't knocked out by a 58 year old.

Latter. Jake doesn't really have the natural instincts of an actual boxer. You can see that in a lot of his fights, especially recently. He can only alternate between light sparring and knock your block off. He doesn't have anything between that. This is why guys have upwards of a few hundred amateur bouts before they ever turn pro. He doesn't know what to do when his opponent just doesn't leave their chin high in the air. He has a few fights where a well versed professional would have finished off a guy before the cards or before he actually did.

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If the reports of what these guys got paid for that shit show are remotely accurate, I'm happy that Mike probably has enough money set aside now to live extremely comfortably to the end of his days, since he genuinely seems past the point of fucking it up again now. Granted he's still down a couple hundred million because of that rat fuck Don King but nothing can be done about that.

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I watched it after the fact, because this fight didn't really appeal to me. I don't know how much longer this game can keep getting played out. Like you've peaked out in fighting washed fighters that could believably get in shape enough to sucker marks. And the fights aren't exactly anything to write home about.

 

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5 minutes ago, jaedmc said:

I watched it after the fact, because this fight didn't really appeal to me. I don't know how much longer this game can keep getting played out. Like you've peaked out in fighting washed fighters that could believably get in shape enough to sucker marks. And the fights aren't exactly anything to write home about.

 

This fight hurt Jake Paul's future a hell of a lot more than he probably expected. I mean for Mike, I get it. Collect 8 digits then go retire to the beach and do podcasts or whatever. For Paul? He did nothing in this fight to draw in any sort of serious audience again. He exposed himself. But he already got paid his own absurd haul so I suppose what does he care. Like I said he could always move solely into promotions if he wants, he is doing fine there.

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Jake Paul has a few big "fights", and they have all stunk out the joint. The Tommy Fury fight wasn't downright awful, but that's not a fight you would waste your time rewatching.

It's funny that he's biggest promotional star is Amanda Serrano, who along with her sister was one of if not the P4P the top female in the sport when Jake Paul was still waiting to graduate high school. She's the epitome of a world class boxer even though she's kinda past her prime. Yet, Serrano and Katie Taylor can still go out and have a fight of the year and steal the show as expected while Jake Paul is going out there and very much looks like a guy who only started boxing a handful of years ago. It doesn't line up with what pro boxing has been for virtually it's entire existence in modern times. The final bout of the night, unless it's a non televised walk out bout, is usually a real actual main event between two people who legit are the best fighters on the card. Jake Paul is incapable of delivering anything past a fight that should be buried on the undercard. Back in the heyday of De La Hoya and Tyson in the 90s, they put Butterbean either on the ESPN countdown show hours before the PPV or the very first fight to open the PPV when literally the arena is at most 1/4 full. He was never the main event. Hell, he wasn't even the chief support. 

I give Jake Paul all the credit in the world for promoting Amanda Serrano when she has spent years undeservedly in obscurity, but the train is sputtering and about to go clear off the tracks.

This is why for the last fifteen years or so I've never been a big proponent of the whole big back the K-1/PRIDE freakshow fights notion. They had their place in the sport, and I never had a huge problem with them back when it was sort of a novel idea to give people something new. However, combat sports is far past that now. It had its run. Now it's over. The same thing very much applies here. Even if Tyson had miraculously KO'd Jake somehow, we have passed the expiration date.

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At some point, Jake's team had to know that Mike was not the Mike of old. They really really could have shown that they support women's boxing by putting Serrano/Taylor as the main. Netflix wouldn't have wanted it but they could have tried or made a show of trying to do it.

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If these numbers out there are even remotely accurate, Jake Paul is a marketing genius. (sadly)

 

Taylor/Serrano II was great, thought Serrano should've edged it personally. 

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5 hours ago, hammerva said:

Tyson giving zero fucks doing an interview with his ass for everyone to see

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There was a lot of Dirty Stuff in Taylor/Serrano sure she was getting butted but she was doing a lot of holding and hitting. Cool that a woman's fight got this spot though, Paul seems pretty forward thinking about woman's sports. Not a fan of Murallo cause it feels like he always has the volume turned all the way up constantly and kinda weird having Rosie Perez on commentary 

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2 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

Jake Paul has a few big "fights", and they have all stunk out the joint. The Hughie Fury fight wasn't downright awful, but that's not a fight you would waste your time rewatching.

It's funny that he's biggest promotional star is Amanda Serrano, who along with her sister was one of if not the P4P the top female in the sport when Jake Paul was still waiting to graduate high school. She's the epitome of a world class boxer even though she's kinda past her prime. Yet, Serrano and Katie Taylor can still go out and have a fight of the year and steal the show as expected while Jake Paul is going out there and very much looks like a guy who only started boxing a handful of years ago. It doesn't line up with what pro boxing has been for virtually it's entire existence in modern times. The final bout of the night, unless it's a non televised walk out bout, is usually a real actual main event between two people who legit are the best fighters on the card. Jake Paul is incapable of delivering anything past a fight that should be buried on the undercard. Back in the heyday of De La Hoya and Tyson in the 90s, they put Butterbean either on the ESPN countdown show hours before the PPV or the very first fight to open the PPV when literally the arena is at most 1/4 full. He was never the main event. Hell, he wasn't even the chief support. 

I give Jake Paul all the credit in the world for promoting Amanda Serrano when she has spent years undeservedly in obscurity, but the train is sputtering and about to go clear off the tracks.

This is why for the last fifteen years or so I've never been a big proponent of the whole big back the K-1/PRIDE freakshow fights notion. They had their place in the sport, and I never had a huge problem with them back when it was sort of a novel idea to give people something new. However, combat sports is far past that now. It had its run. Now it's over. The same thing very much applies here. Even if Tyson had miraculously KO'd Jake somehow, we have passed the expiration date.

You don't sell the steak you sell the sizzle. The top 2 140lbs women don't sell fights. Personality and hooks do, weirdly I feel UFC picked up on this long before boxing

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3 hours ago, zendragon said:

You don't sell the steak you sell the sizzle. The top 2 140lbs women don't sell fights. Personality and hooks do, weirdly I feel UFC picked up on this long before boxing

The problem is you can't always live off sizzle. I am not bashing a man's business acumen. My problem is the rest of it, which is going eventually hurt his business acumen. It's untenable based on being able to deliver the actual goods. You can only get by with presentation but for so long. Based on how the Diaz fight failed commercially on PPV compared to the Fury fight and the lackluster reception to the fights following that, he had to go all in on the Tyson fight cause there aren't many random guys like Tommy Fury or a Nate Diaz. Keep in mind, he's basically running this show himself essentially. There is a ton of money coming out of his pockets to sustain this thing (minus the Saudi Arabia venture). Look at Mayweather's numbers from 2007 to when Al Haymon had that split with HBO and then look at his Showtime PPV numbers sans the HBO co-promoted Pacquiao card and Canelo fight. Night and day difference. And that's an all time great fighter against fighters usually in their prime. Look at Tyson's business Holyfield II fight and earlier and then when he came back and was promoted by Dan Goossen's America Presents 1999 and later on. Relative to what he was doing before 1999 (which was breaking records every time out), the Botha and Golota fights didn't do well. If the quality stinks, people will eventually tune out.

Paul's problem is kinda twofold in that after every fight, there is no real logical opponent because he's not an actual professional prize fighter compared to his contemporaries. If he were, he would be fighting the Canelos, the Dmitry Bivols, Jai Opetaias, and Artur Beterbievs of the world and making crazy loot cause those fights would prove his legitimacy. Who can he fight to prove his legitimacy that wouldn't knock him out inside of 3 or 4 rounds? That's his issue. All those guys and even random fringe contenders between 168-200 would swiftly put him in a pine box. He's too good for these horrible influencer boxing cards but certainly not schooled enough to be against real boxers. So he has to fight random people, senior citizens and all. His marketing strategy for opponents is "Have boxing gloves, gumshield, trunks, and decent Q rating...will travel". That's it. It ain't exactly Teddy Brenner matchmaking at Madison Square Garden. Bravo that he's done sensational this far, but there are inherent flaws.

UFC, for all their oversaturation and occasional porous lineups on paper, they deliver 2 out of 3 times in terms of entertainment. You might not know but 1 or 2 fighters on the card, but you get bang for your buck overall. You get a stinker main event here and there, but it's not EVERY card. 

As for Serrano vs. Taylor, the first fight did very good business in terms of ticket sales and streaming numbers. Matchroom did a very good job with that. If this didn't come along, they would have done very good business as a standalone much like the first fight did. Now Mario Barrios? Yeah, he's gotta fight on someone's undercards. 

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Rosie Perez was a shocker to see, but I do remember reading that Burt Lancaster was a color commentator for Ali-Frazier I (and Frank Sinatra was hired by Life magazine to take photos of said fight), so I'm guessing Jake and Netflix wanted to bring that spirit to this show. Also helped that Rosie is a big boxing fan who regularly attends fights at MSG/Felt Forum. She was definitely nervous and it showed -- good for Mauro to gently "poke" her to allow her to speak -- and she sounded like a fan being thrown into the wolves, but she tried.

Hard to watch the main event as it was clear Mike was spent, but the second and third fights were good. 

 

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6 hours ago, lostinube said:

At some point, Jake's team had to know that Mike was not the Mike of old. They really really could have shown that they support women's boxing by putting Serrano/Taylor as the main. Netflix wouldn't have wanted it but they could have tried or made a show of trying to do it.

I'd actually argue it's the opposite. By putting it on right before the main, you're going to get way more people seeing it because people are waiting for what they came to see. If it's the actual main event itself with Paul/Tyson as the semimain, less people will watch as they will have already shut the show off after they got what they came for.

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2 hours ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:

I'd actually argue it's the opposite. By putting it on right before the main, you're going to get way more people seeing it because people are waiting for what they came to see. If it's the actual main event itself with Paul/Tyson as the semimain, less people will watch as they will have already shut the show off after they got what they came for.

I think there is always a curiosity factor of..."ok so this isn't the main event?!" especially coming off already having the women's fight of the year the last time they fought. I mean IIRC Jake Paul was suppose to be the co-main to Serrano's scheduled fight earlier this year when she had the bizarre freak accident where she got some hair dye or whatever in her eye and couldn't fight. To his credit, he knew that whoever he was fighting wasn't going to be worthy of the main event spot to Amanda Serrano in Puerto Rico for her big homecoming fight. The selling point of the whole promotion was Amanda Serrano. Another issue Jake Paul has really is once Ashton Sylve ended up on the wrong side of potentially the Upset of the Year and KO of the Year, he had no real option but to put this on the undercard. MVP Promotions is basically Jake Paul, Amanda Serrano, Shadasia Green, and Sylve. His roster page has SIX people. That's horrendous and lets you know that boxing politics has basically frozen him out from acquiring actual talent.

Yeah, would I make Tyson vs. Jake Paul the main event? I mean it's the only option because the people who either come to the arena and watch the stream only come for the freak show factor. However, that's a double edged sword anyway cause a lot of the fans in the 90s and 2000s really weren't watching Mia St. John and Christy Martin fight women who just got off their shift at the Waffle House anymore and only hopped in to watch once the pre fight festivities for the main event start. 

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46 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

I think there is always a curiosity factor of..."ok so this isn't the main event?!" especially coming off already having the women's fight of the year the last time they fought. I mean IIRC Jake Paul was suppose to be the co-main to Serrano's scheduled fight earlier this year when she had the bizarre freak accident where she got some hair dye or whatever in her eye and couldn't fight. To his credit, he knew that whoever he was fighting wasn't going to be worthy of the main event spot to Amanda Serrano in Puerto Rico for her big homecoming fight. The selling point of the whole promotion was Amanda Serrano. Another issue Jake Paul has really is once Ashton Sylve ended up on the wrong side of potentially the Upset of the Year and KO of the Year, he had no real option but to put this on the undercard. MVP Promotions is basically Jake Paul, Amanda Serrano, Shadasia Green, and Sylve. His roster page has SIX people. That's horrendous and lets you know that boxing politics has basically frozen him out from acquiring actual talent.

Yeah, would I make Tyson vs. Jake Paul the main event? I mean it's the only option because the people who either come to the arena and watch the stream only come for the freak show factor. However, that's a double edged sword anyway cause a lot of the fans in the 90s and 2000s really weren't watching Mia St. John and Christy Martin fight women who just got off their shift at the Waffle House anymore and only hopped in to watch once the pre fight festivities for the main event start. 

Yeah it's a gamble however you play it. I think it's worth taking the chance on having it as the semimain, especially if your drawing card is very likely going to be a rotten fight past the spectacle and people are going to bail once it's over.

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3 hours ago, colonial said:

Rosie Perez was a shocker to see, but I do remember reading that Burt Lancaster was a color commentator for Ali-Frazier I (and Frank Sinatra was hired by Life magazine to take photos of said fight), so I'm guessing Jake and Netflix wanted to bring that spirit to this show. Also helped that Rosie is a big boxing fan who regularly attends fights at MSG/Felt Forum. She was definitely nervous and it showed -- good for Mauro to gently "poke" her to allow her to speak -- and she sounded like a fan being thrown into the wolves, but she tried.

Hard to watch the main event as it was clear Mike was spent, but the second and third fights were good. 

 

I heard them talking on an Irish sports podcast about Rosie supporting the fighter going against Kat ie Taylor. 

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so exciting to watch Jake Paul do the bare minimum to edge out 2 minute rounds against a senior citizen.  Can we stop giving Jake Paul any attention?

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20 minutes ago, odessasteps said:

I heard them talking on an Irish sports podcast about Rosie supporting the fighter going against Kat ie Taylor. 

I mean...as opposed to having an Irish person on commentary and having them support Katie Taylor? 

It's the commentator A hates my sports team/franchise and gives biased commentary thing you see on social media when in actuality the person rooting for the opposing team is likely saying the same thing. Selective listening.

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They weren’t being critical of her.  They were just saying she was a boxing fan. Perhaps poor phrasing on my part. 

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I wonder if Netflix would be interested in Doing Taylor/Serrano 3? maybe try to set into that spot that HBO Championship Box or BAD used to fill? Are either of the first two fights worth going back and watching?

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