Zakk_Sabbath
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22 minutes ago, The Natural said:
The throw by Konosuke Takeshita/Powerhouse Hobbs across the ring with Darby Allin's neck hitting the ring ropes gets my vote. So dangerous.
Oh shit yeah that was pretty recent, I forgot about that. I thought of Perro Aguayo right away, that one freaked me out
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2 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:
I keep saying that someone needs to steal the Blackjack/Sullivan "brawl out and brawl in" idea. Just have two guys in a feud fighting every show in the back, end up in the ring, fight out, show up at the next one doing the same thing. Make it look like they didn't even change clothes.
Someone did this in WCW im almost certain. It might've been some combination of that DDP/Raven/Saturn/Benoit/Kanyon stretch of the US title scene. It could've easily just as well been some dying days Norman Smiley HC title stuff, but I am near certain it was done.
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8 minutes ago, SturmCRF said:
Yeah, I've gone from hoping he survives climbing Mount Everest because it's dangerous to climb Mount Everest, to hoping he survives whatever things he might be planning to do there. Absolute loon, and also one of the best wrestlers in the world who looks totally credible against basically anyone, even when they're twice his size.
Watch it turn out that the whole time the guides were supposed to be training him to climb, he spent training them to wrestle instead, and they do a quick 7 min summit street fight. I certainly wouldn't put it past him.
Re: your second point, I agree - it's that Rey Mysterio Jr. underdog intangible. It goes beyond just being just a cruiser or below 6'0 otherwise every undersized guy ever would be that level of star. In AEW, I think Danielson, Fenix, PAC, and OC are all guys with similar qualities.
I know a lot of folks are probably gonna disagree on this, but the Bucks flirt with having that quality much of the time too - they just undermine it (for lack of a better term) with something way too outside the box (e.g. Matt suplexing two much bigger dudes at once).
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13 minutes ago, Zimbra said:
don't remember the match but there was one time he smoked himself doing a tope and I was pretty sure he died.
On that note: I'm calling it now that their match with the Bucks will have a spot where Darby is slammed hard into that new barricade and the screen turns off or sparks on em a bit to put it over the top
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1 hour ago, The Great ML said:
I remember in World Class, there was a scheduled match with Mike Von Erich and Wild Bill Irwin. As they were being announced/introduced in the ring, David Manning runs in and says “we have to get Terry Gordy and Killer Khan out here NOW. They’ve started their match, fighting in the dressing room. Sorry guys, your match will have to wait later.”
That rules, im gonna track that down today. I would love to see a redux on that at some point on a modern show. You could even do it in such a way that you incorporate elements of @Cobra Commanders original idea and have the two guys in the ring for the scheduled match end up teaming up against the other two teams, have that end in a NC (or with the new third team giving one the tainted victory) and build to a big three-way-tag or even a TLC type affair depending on the situation
Edit: @Ziggyi haven't watched but FWIW I saw a tweet implying Dave lagana was involved in writing for whatever the Rock is doing
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4 minutes ago, Coletti said:
Doing a Coffin Drop onto a casket more than once has to be TERRIBLE for the body. Christian Cage body slamming him off the apron onto the ring steps is up there, too.
Anything like that with something solid, is one that he makes look like death (and probably doesn't feel excellent to take) - I was thinking of those casket bumps too, especially whichever one had the tacks or spikes on the lid. (Edit : Swerve??) Even back on the first show, he had that ridiculous bump with THE Cracker Barrel
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2 minutes ago, Zimbra said:
Since it came up in the TV thread: what do y'all think Darby's dumbest bump is?
I vote for when he let Ethan Page throw him down a flight of concrete steps and ended up being out for a couple of months.
That would have been my choice too. Also: unless I got newzed at the time, I thought he was hurt already and *that* was his idea to write himself off (which makes it even more fucking insane). I know Samoa Joe jacked up his back on some concrete stairs during a TNA title match with Sting way back when, and it bothered him for like a literal decade after, I can't imagine the stones it takes to go for something like that when you're already hurt.
Another nasty one coming to mind: I forget what match it was but Lance Archer planted him on the ring steps, with the steps on their side so they were tall as opposed to long, and it was pretttay, pretttay gross.
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Obviously everyone knows from the Punk-era that I am vociferously anti-formal roster/brand/etc. split of any kind, but in an informal way, I think it might be kind of a cool experiment to have Dynamite/Rampage tapings be more "AEW+Puro"-focused, and ROH/Collision tapings to be more "AEW+Lucha"-focused.
Recent shows are selling better, thank goodness (and especially Big Business, holy shit - @Niners Fan in CTon the money dude, no pun) but I think this idea might help draw even more people because AEW could look at NJPW or AAA and CMLL numbers in certain areas (be it NJPWorld, Honor Club when guys are on that, NJPW on AXS, ratings for the lucha stuff on local affiliates, how recent indy appearances by dudes on excursion drew) as sort of a back door metric, and book the shows/route to certain areas accordingly
Edit: To clarify this thought was kinda kicked off by @Go2Sleeps comment about the Collision-only RUSH feud (which I support as well)
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2 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:
Good to hear that AEW Big Business won’t be followed by AEW Recession
I wonder if they'd subtitle it "Once in a lifetime!" then run the same card three times in 15 years
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1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said:
That's under the impression that Vince hasn't abused members of the same sex, which I believe is not only possible but likely, considering the people he's had work for him. According to Sabu the entire early '80s ring crew were young boys hired specifically for that reason.
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2 hours ago, hammerva said:
In unfortunately not surprising news, Billy Jack Haynes wife was found murdered and Billy is a suspect. Actually much more than suspect
8 minutes ago, Dolfan in NYC said:#BobbyHeenanIsAlwaysRight
Local news story for the morbidly curious among us:
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2 minutes ago, Just Dave said:
m predicting, because I'd find it entertaining, that that's how Santana & Ortiz get back together and finally win their long overdue AEW Championships.
Yo, I SO hope that you're right on this. Id pop huuuuge. In lieu of that, I'd even take a Santana/Ortiz/Kingston power-trio
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@John E. DynamiteI gotta co-sign every word of that one, huge. You know that Mike Tomlin quote "The standard is the standard?" The marching orders at AEW should be "The alternative is the alternative." Just do whatever the competition is not - fill the void, and the people will come. This week's show was so good, I didn't even bitch and moan about the screens on the ring!
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34 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
Joe could lose the title without being pinned.
I think it's non-elimination style because they really hammered this point
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5 hours ago, Log said:
I'm not sure I'm ready for Joe to not be champ already, but I do think Swerve will make a great champ at some point. The way his character has become, he can easily switch between heel or face depending on his opponent. It sort of reminds me of the old touring champion switching it up depending on the territory's challenger.
Well said - Mox is like that too, IMO. If Swerve does go over here, that ought to be great when they get to it
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2 minutes ago, hammerva said:
The only example I can think of someone promoting a last match ever and then having him lose would be Baron Corbin beating Kurt Angle at WM which didn't go over well at all and basically treated as a nothing match because I think at the time it was hour 4 of a 6 hour show.
Ugh, forgot about that. Any way the grand jury can add another charge for that shit?
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1 hour ago, The Natural said:
Best double turn match and best match ever in my opinion is Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin at WWF WrestleMania 13. A *****.
We've commiserated before about how that's my favorite ever too - I wasn't paying much attention to the clock so I legit thought we were gonna get something like that here (especially with with the blood-drinking thing at the last PPV - I was like 'Ooohh, foreshadowing!' but it was not to be). Def still liked what we got though - I'm not one of those people who will shit on a Broadway, especially if it's going somewhere. Like, my favorite ever AEW match was Omega/Danielson at GS 1, and that was a draw.
I should also add: I think the refusal of the 5 min extension did a LOT for Hanger character-development wise, and you really can't get there without such a finish.
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13 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said:
I'm just gonna update with the sure-to-be imminent announcement to the changes to the Retirement Match.
I'm probably being an idiot here: are there any changes in the shoot besides it now becoming a title bout?
1 hour ago, The Natural said:- Should Sting/Darby Allin vs. The Young Bucks main event?
- Who wins?
In theory, it should main event for all of the reasons you noted. No disagreement here. The only piece of it I have reservations about is length - I'd just really, really hate for the crowd to dump on a tremendous effort if it ends up being a short-yet-chaotic affair (which I think has been a real winning formula for a lot of these Sting tags/trios so far). If Sting feels he can hang for 20 minutes or whatever? Then fuck yeah, go for it.
The winner is the other piece - this is kinda parallel to a conversation I am having with a couple guys in the TV thread right now, but I think whatever the finish is will also dictate card placement to a degree - is it a "send them home happy" affair, or is it a Bucks heat-fest? I completely get the idea of not wanting to fade to black on the heels standing tall over a fallen Sting. I also completely get the idea of Sting wanting to go out on his back if he so desires - Idk that there's a wrong answer or path.
1 hour ago, The Natural said:Who do you book to win the three way match for the AEW World Championship: Samoa Joe vs. Swerve Strickland vs. Hangman Adam Page?
This is tough, man. Joe deserves it for a long, long time, but when it comes to Swerve, I've got that voice going "Strike while the iron's hot." Hangman isnt a bad choice by any means, but with how important a story his first title chase was, I'd like him to get it back in a situation that has a little more meat on the bone, narratively speaking. I think going with Swerve here, and having Hangman be driven insane by it (I guess not unsimilar to Timeless Toni's story, but played straight) might be fruitful later on.
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9 minutes ago, Log said:
Not to speak for @hammerva, but in my opinion, Sting should get to go out on a high note. I don't think he should lose to any heels in his last match. If it was a case of the Bucks still being faces and doing sort of an HBK/Flair thing where they want to be in his last match because they respect/love him so much, then I'd be ok with them winning. It could be a passing of the torch thing, and that would be nice. But now, it'd be some dastardly heels beating down Sting, his sons and Darby, and then taking the belts to send him into retirement on a downer note.
Ah. Totally fair, and no argument from me - I guess I was looking at it from more of a booking-logic 'make the Bucks' standpoint, rather than from a more holistic, 10,000 feet 'lets not kill the crowd' POV. So with that, I just wasn't sure if we were having a "Sting shouldn't lose" conversation, or a "Sting should put over _____ instead" conversation. But yeah, I don't disagree with either of you at all.
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7 minutes ago, The Natural said:
Prince Nana's dance to Swerve Strickland what Paul Bearer's Urn was to Undertaker.
Dude, that shit cracked me up. I put it up there with the Macho-to-Hogan "reviving" elbow drop at whatever WWIII that was (except intentionally hilarious)
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5 minutes ago, hammerva said:
I understand that it will get "great heat" but if Tony thinks that having the Bucks win the tag titles in Sting's last match IN GREENSBORO is a good idea then he really is losing it.
I wouldn't mind Sting retiring as a champion at all, but I don't understand why you think it's a bad idea - is it that it's the Bucks? Not busting chops, if you don't dig those guys it's fine, just legit asking
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1 hour ago, Craig H said:
Can you imagine if Sting’s one son, the taller and more muscular of the two, the one who looks the most like Sting, were also a wrestler with his dad’s same charisma and ability? He’d be the biggest draw in the country. Dude is an absolute unit. It’s crazy. He’s like a fucking action figure.
I had the thought too and was debating on posting it because I didn't wanna come off like one of those nutcases trying to bully Christopher Reeve's kid into playing Superman even though the guy's like a journalist with ABC and has zero interest in acting
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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:
If Vince coerced Grant to meet Lesnar in another state for his gross approach to “contract negotiations,” I believe that qualifies as well.
I was wondering if Vince's transmitting the materials electronically would somehow loosely qualify under any of these new revenge porn statues
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I don't remember that part of the movie
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FEBRUARY 2024 Wrestling Talk
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It's certainly possible they did that but I'm like 99% sure Enos/Bloom was the match in the ring when Scott Hall came out of the crowd on Memorial Day to kick off the NWO